F1: Fastest lap worth nothing.

GarIT

I think whoever gets the fastest lap in a race should get 5 points for their efforts. It may make things more interesting. Opinions?

daredevil360

I agree and the sandbagging in Q3 to save tyres for the race has taken the excitment out of it for me

GarIT wrote: »

I think whoever gets the fastest lap in a race should get 5 points for their efforts. It may make things more interesting. Opinions?

GarIT

daredevil360 wrote: »

I agree and the sandbagging in Q3 to save tyres for the race has taken the excitment out of it for me

Yeah, I thought about that before and I decided that I think there should be a 5 place penalty for not finishing a lap and being within 107% in Q2 or Q3.

I also think that people like Rosberg, Perez and Maldonado would be able to put on a good fight for the fastest lap points.

Zagato

I think it's a pity that there's no reward for fastest lap, but I think that in a Grand Prix, winning, and by extension, race position is the most important thing.

Formula 1 should have a very simple scoring system too. It's one of the reasons that I lose interest in the Tour de France, because I can't understand or remember all the seconds competitors get for winning climbs/stages/sprints

GarIT

Zagato wrote: »

I think it's a pity that there's no reward for fastest lap, but I think that in a Grand Prix, winning, and by extension, race position is the most important thing.

Formula 1 should have a very simple scoring system too.

What you you think of leaving the points scaled from 25 down to nothing as they are, and points of 5 down to 1 for the 5 fastest laps. Its only 15 points in total and it wouldnt rock the boat for the bigger teams, it will just add more competition for the lower ones.

Adding fastest laps isn't too complicated.

Smartguy

Would be interesting to see guys pitting three laps before the end to throw on a new pair of tyres just to get the additional WC points.

daredevil360

What about adding extra weight ballast to top 3 ,like they do in BTCC .

Ghost Train

wouldn't be in favour of it, or for any other artificial handicapping like weight, we already have the q3 runners locked into choice of tyres, maybe if that was gone it would help or extra set of tyres just for q3

GarIT

daredevil360 wrote: »

What about adding extra weight ballast to top 3 ,like they do in BTCC .

I wouldn't agree with punishing someone for performing well.

Cookie_Monster

Def should be points for fastest lap, but only 1 or 2.
Same for 1st in Quali, though the tyre restriction needs to be removed for that to work

frostie500

No way should they offer points for fastest laps. With the current tyres and no-refuelling what would be stopping some back end teams saving a set of fresh options and pitting with only two laps left and saying to their driver "go for broke." You could easily end up with a situation where an uncompetitive team ends up finishing in, lets say, 7th in the Constructors' championship by virtue of this and gaining numerous millions extra in revenue for the following season.

dastardly00

Zagato wrote: »

I think it's a pity that there's no reward for fastest lap, but I think that in a Grand Prix, winning, and by extension, race position is the most important thing.

Formula 1 should have a very simple scoring system too. It's one of the reasons that I lose interest in the Tour de France, because I can't understand or remember all the seconds competitors get for winning climbs/stages/sprints

OT: There are no time bonuses in the Tour de France. It was done away with a few years ago. It wasn't that complicated anyway.

Back on topic, I think it would be a good idea if there was some sort of reward for fastest lap, maybe 2 points.

GarIT

frostie500 wrote: »

No way should they offer points for fastest laps. With the current tyres and no-refuelling what would be stopping some back end teams saving a set of fresh options and pitting with only two laps left and saying to their driver "go for broke." You could easily end up with a situation where an uncompetitive team ends up finishing in, lets say, 7th in the Constructors' championship by virtue of this and gaining numerous millions extra in revenue for the following season.

The back 5 teams will never get it anyway, it will be between the top 7 teams. Does a team not deserve a reward for being able to put in a fast lap?

I don't like the fuel of tyre regulations, if they were sorted out it probably would be a bettier idea to impliment then.

Cookie_Monster

frostie500 wrote: »

No way should they offer points for fastest laps. With the current tyres and no-refuelling what would be stopping some back end teams saving a set of fresh options and pitting with only two laps left and saying to their driver "go for broke." You could easily end up with a situation where an uncompetitive team ends up finishing in, lets say, 7th in the Constructors' championship by virtue of this and gaining numerous millions extra in revenue for the following season.

exactly; gives them a chance (an very outside one at that)
the farcical tyre situation needs to be dealt with first though.

smellslikeshoes

I don't think having some guys going round doing essentially a qualifying lap during the race would really be a good thing, slowing down to get some space etc.
I'd guess you'd also see more drivers being 5 or 6 laps down, if you dinged the car and it was repairable you'd go back out to have a go at the fastest lap.
With how safety concious the sport is now it's just something that I doubt will ever happen. F1 is also artificial enough already :pac:

ratedR

With the tyres the way they are now, theres arguement for and against this.

Remember Monaco towards the end of the race, Webbers tyres were knackered and he ended up having a train behind him. But because everyones tyres were knackered, no one attempted a pass (not that you could around Monaco anyway) and going for a pitstop wasnt an option. The racing effectly ended after the last round of stops. Perez ended up having the fastest lap and was lapping over a second quicker then the leaders towards the end.

Apart from Bahrain and Australia this year, the drivers with the fastest lap in the other 6 races havent even been on the podium. You simply can't push these tyres because they'll fall to pieces. Teams are only pushing towards the end of the race now with new tyres - it's how Grosjean and Perez got on the podium in Canada.

Awarding points for a fastest lap would certainly change things, but it would almost certainly be midfield/back end teams that would benefit.

GarIT

I agree with the safety element so I think that a soultion would be to offer 3, 2 and 1 point(s) for the 1st, 2nd and 3rd fastest laps but only out of the cars that finish within a lap of the leader. So if you have been lapped your not in the running for the fastest laps.

OT: I also read a good article recently supporting the idea of forcing drivers to retire from the race if the race is 70% complete and they are +2laps or more.

marco2068

fastest lap +1 point

most laps led +1 point

pole +1 point

first car 1lap down on a safety car gets the wave around

donspeekinglesh

I hate, hate, the idea of points for anything other than finishing positions. There's already a way to reward cars/drivers that are quick over one lap, it's called qualifying.

As for success ballast, short of Bernie killing kittens and puppies on the grid nothing would make me lose interest in the sport faster.
Winning is something to celebrate, not punish.

ratedR

ratedR wrote: »

Teams are only pushing towards the end of the race now with new tyres - it's how Grosjean and Perez got on the podium in Canada.

No it's not.

Grim.

donspeekinglesh wrote: »

I hate, hate, the idea of points for anything other than finishing positions. There's already a way to reward cars/drivers that are quick over one lap, it's called qualifying.

As for success ballast, short of Bernie killing kittens and puppies on the grid nothing would make me lose interest in the sport faster.
Winning is something to celebrate, not punish.

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Crackle

donspeekinglesh wrote: »

I hate, hate, the idea of points for anything other than finishing positions. There's already a way to reward cars/drivers that are quick over one lap, it's called qualifying.

As for success ballast, short of Bernie killing kittens and puppies on the grid nothing would make me lose interest in the sport faster.
Winning is something to celebrate, not punish.

Couldn't agree more with this. There's already enough points up for grabs as it is and with 10 places getting points, plenty of opportunity to score something.