The Irish in Argentina

Coolnabacky1873

In my spare time I compile examples from different countries of my rare surname. Recently I came across a baptism from Argentina on Familysearch where the mother had the surname (also the child has one of the best names I have ever seen!).

So I was just wondering if anyone has had ancestors who migrated to Argentina and has carried out research in Argentinian records?

Failing that can anyone recommend good publications on Irish migration to Argentina? Or even an English language publication about Argentinian genealogy?

Ultimately I'd like to find out where she was from in Ireland. I could probably work it out by looking at all the women with her name on the Birth Index (there wouldn't be that many) and see who is not in the 1901 census, but where is the fun in that:)

pinkypinky

I've nothing useful to add but I do know that an Irish man set up the Argentinian navy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Brown_%28admiral%29

Spread

Try GOOGLING for a GAA club down there ......... they might have records as Gaelic football and hurling were quite big there at the turn of the last century.

cormacocomhrai

You're probably aware of these but just in case:
Irish Ingleses: The Irish Immigrant Experience in Argentina, 1840-1920

Becoming Irlandés: Private Narratives of the Irish Emigration to Argentina (1844–1912)

RTE did a radio documentary a couple of years ago where they interviewed Irish-Argentinians who still had the Irish accent despite the fact that their ancestors left a hundred years ago.

Please keep an eye for a top quality defensive midfielder who can also score goals and a couple of fullbacks with a name like O'Sullivan, Sweeney, Dempsey, Connolly, O'Donnell etc.

You might contact the Football Association of Ireland if you do.

Coolnabacky1873

cormacocomhrai,

Thanks very much. This one has been on the back burner so haven't had a chance to look for publications and didn't know about those. Will check them out for sure.

Re the football, if only! I keep an eye on the MLS over here for the Irish Americans and just recently the NY Red Bulls goalie was asked to play for the U21's but the club wouldn't let him go. Foot.ie has a great forum with all sorts of random Irish hyphenated (insert country here) young fella's who are eligible e.g. Dutch Barry Maguire etc.. Sorry for going off topic!

Hermy

cormacocomhrai wrote: »

RTE did a radio documentary a couple of years ago where they interviewed Irish-Argentinians who still had the Irish accent despite the fact that their ancestors left a hundred years ago.

Is this it?

cormacocomhrai

Hermy wrote: »

Is this it?

Won't be able to down it as the broadband here is cat melodeon but it probably is.

Monty Burnz

When I was living there we had an Irish visitor stay with us who had relatives who went there 80-90 odd years back. She met some second cousins (or something) who were second or third generation immigrants, and were Spanish native speakers - but spoke excellent English with an Irish accent. She found it odd.

Coolnabacky1873

cormacocomhrai wrote: »

Won't be able to down it as the broadband here is cat melodeon but it probably is.

You can stream it here if that helps.

mathepac

Coolnabacky1873 wrote: »

young fella's who are eligible e.g. Dutch Barry Maguire etc.. Sorry for going off topic!

That young lad is a fine footballer. Does he sing as well? http://yt.cl.nr/eCrnpJTJiuU

Coolnabacky1873

Just found a good review of the Irish Ingleses: The Irish Immigrant Experience in Argentina, 1840-1920 book mentioned above.

The author, Helen Kelly, is a pro genealogist in Ireland.

cormacocomhrai

The thread is going a long time without anybody mentioning Ernesto Che Guevara Lynch.

Coolnabacky1873

cormacocomhrai wrote: »

The thread is going a long time without anybody mentioning Ernesto Che Guevara Lynch.

Them Galway Lynch's, what did they unleash

cormacocomhrai

Coolnabacky1873 wrote: »

Them Galway Lynch's, what did they unleash

Ssshhhh. Can open, worms everywhere.

pinkypinky

FMP just tweeted this about Irish in Argentina.

http://blog.thejourneyhomegenealogy.com/?p=687

Coolnabacky1873

Cheers Pinkster,

A very concise and informative piece.

Brennans Row

Photographer examines Irish in Argentina (Limerick Leader)

WITH the effects of migration continuing to be a major feature of post Celtic Tiger Ireland, acclaimed Limerick photographer Maurice Gunning decided to look at the Irish diaspora in a different context.

Alongside other notable Irish photographers, his poignant images currently appear in the National Photographic Archive to celebrate the launch of this year’s Photo Ireland Festival.

Four years ago Maurice travelled to Buenos Aires to interview and photograph the Argentine Irish diaspora over three months, while Ireland’s boom was still on and at a time when people were migrating here, not emigrating.

Letters from Irish emigrants to Argentina in the 1840s-1890s in a book entitled ‘Becoming Irlandes’ by academic Edmundo Murray formed the starting point of his expedition, to track down descendants of Irish emigrants during the Great Famine era.

“The letters had very universal descriptions of loneliness, the talk of sending money home and missing the newspapers back home. Or not being able to go home for the funeral. It was often written ‘I wanted to come home, but I couldn’t or ‘When my pockets are full I’ll be home,” explained Maurice, from Clancy Strand. Two years later he met with all the Argentine Irish organisations of the city, explored the vast farmland areas of Buenos Aires province, and was facilitated by the Irish Embassy of Argentina, with his work showcased in Buenos Aires in 2010 under the title Encuentro-A Gathering. During this time he revisited many of the places and people he had met on his previous trip.

His work runs alongside David Monahan’s series ‘Leaving Dublin’, a photographic tribute to the courage and efforts of those who have left their homeland in search of better opportunities abroad. The National Photographic Archive said the exhibition “brings together two strands of one and the same story, and reminds us that the intensely personal decision to emigrate will not only dramatically shape the future lives of those who leave, but also has a huge impact on those left behind.” It runs until July 22

The Kurgan

Another very good video on the Dreseden Affair and how "the grass wasn't always greener "...

http://descendientesdresden.blogspot.ie/search?updated-min=2012-01-01T00:00:00-03:00&updated-max=2013-01-01T00:00:00-03:00&max-results=3


Am currently in the throws of tracing my families roots and was amazed to find the Irish 1901 census records that gave the birthplace of my Great Grandparents and Great Grand Aunt as South America Buenos Aires...

They were born in Bunos Aires in 1886 and 1888 ..Better still their parents ,my great great gradparents emmigrated and got married there.


https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/V684-WQD

The image of the actual Marriage cert throws up some more facts
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-1-9753-39196-5?cc=1974184&wc=MMRB-BTH:1277628595

If anyone can decipher anynore information eg where the parish is located ..be my guest as my spanish isnt very good...:)

As pinky says the Mormons are our friends!!

CeannRua

Nice cert. Parish is Balvanera and church (or parish?) seems to be Nuestra Senora de Balvanera which is Our Lady of Balvanera.

Dodgy school Spanish -- bridegroom is 36, native of Wexford, race is white, denomination is RC, residence at time of marriage is 1400 Calle de Rivadavia (google maps shows Avenida Rivadavia in Buenos Aires. Calle means street; and avenida is avenue); he can read and write; profession is 'pastor' which translates as pastor (religious) or shepherd.

Bride is 23, from Wexford, race is white, denomination is RC, same residence as bridegroom, she can read and write; profession is 'costurera' (dressmaker or seamstress).

Witnesses: 1. Juan (John) Gilmor, aged 53, from Ireland. 'Idem' is given as his address so assume it's the same as the bride/groom. 2. Maria (maybe Mary as cert is in Spanish) Sinnott, from Ireland, aged 24. Residence - number 526, Calle Maigre?? or something like this.

edit: should have added that neither of them had been married before. Also, just in relation to them both having the surname Roche, I think the line beginning 'es pariente...' would be filled in if they were related somehow and no dispensation was granted.

The Kurgan

Thanks a million for that CeannRua, given me a lot more to work with
The auld school Spanish holding you in good stead!!