High Noise in 35 mm Film ( 200 ASA rated film )

Fujiguy

Hi all, anyone know how to reduce grain/noise in 35mm film? any tips appreciated!

Samples:


Cropped by Complete Composition, on Flickr


Nephew by Complete Composition, on Flickr

humberklog

Where are you seeing the noise? I'm not picking up any on my monitor.

Adrian.Sadlier

I can't see any noise on my monitor on the largest resolution on flickr!

You might be able to help me - how did you "digitize" these images? Scan from negative? At what resolution? The reason I ask is I am scanning at 2400dpi and am very disappointed with the results!

Fujiguy

Sorry, i had a longer post done out, don't know whats going on.
basically i have a lot of noise/grain, i went to the fujilab in liffey valley and he put two rolls of film onto cd for 10 euro ( no prints just negs and DVD ) when i put them on my PC, 99% are high grain, but in Lightroom on most of the images i could boost luminescence and it got rid of it, but my question really was, in outdoor bright situations, using manual and exposure meter, they are very grainy, does quality of film make a big difference??

here is one before any editing


F1010025 by Complete Composition, on Flickr

Im using a Canon Eos 3000v ( rebel K2 ) with a 28-90mm Canon lens maybe the camera is not good enough, but so far with very smart fast auto focus and manual setting, i have been checking the meter for over/under exposure every shot, so i dont think its that.

Also resized the all the images to 1000x700 pixels before editing in lightroom.

chisel

Crap scanner in liffey valley? I happen to know the lad in there and he is very helpful, but the machine is probably designed to give scans suitable for emailing.

If you like, you can send me one strip and I can scan it for you to see? I can do scans on a plustek 7600i or Epson v500.

One question: your b& w shot - what film was that? A C41 b&w?

aidanic

Me too - happy to take a strip and push it though my Nikon film scanner. 4000dpi! For comparison purposes. (Send PM).

Fujiguy

chisel wrote: »

Crap scanner in liffey valley? I happen to know the lad in there and he is very helpful, but the machine is probably designed to give scans suitable for emailing.

If you like, you can send me one strip and I can scan it for you to see? I can do scans on a plustek 7600i or Epson v500.

One question: your b& w shot - what film was that? A C41 b&w?

That was a colour pic that i desaturated in Adobe lightroom, film type i am not sure, still new at film photography, though i am sure it was Fuji film 200asa if that's any good to you.

The guy was very helpful, with prices and explaining things he was brilliant, and it was cheap considering quotes for printed film id had elsewhere, and without the droll look of stupidity you get from chemists when you hand them 35mm and they say "ya can't put that in the Card reader machine "

@aidanic too Thanks for the offer, but my whole experience plus costs, and time and money waiting etc has put me off film.

The truth is, i can't afford a decent DSLR, The 1100d when i tried it out just didn't like it, and the D3100 is 450 euro. I think i might opt for a secondhand 350d just to be able to access my pictures quicker, and to save on costs.

In saying that, i really do Love this camera, wish i could get this in digital exactly!

Heebie

It looks like film grain to me. What it's being scanned on, and how it's being scanned could have a lot to do with it.

Are you having the lab that's developing the film scan to CD? If that's the case, they might have sharpening turned on in the scanner which ends up sharpening the film grain. Scanning it yourself, or in a different fashion, and/or using a plugin to Photoshop like "Grain Surgery" to reduce or reduce/eliminate the grain could help you out.

I would say scanning it yourself with a decent scanner, and keeping all sharpening off could make a big difference.

If it's actually in the film, then it could be underexposure, or just crappy film. Try different brands. If you're doing black & white stuff, definitely shoot on black & white film. Different film emulsions have very different grain structures, and they can interact differently with different sharpening algorithms. The speed of the film can make a big difference as well. You could try moving to a 100iso film, or even a 50 iso slide or black & white film if you've got the light to use it.

pete4130

When I was traveling and got to Bali I got film scanned really cheap. like €3.50 for dev AND scan to CD. The images were really grainy. Definitly over sharpened during scanning or just poor scanning. It was Kodak portra 400, Fuji Superia 200 etc so not "cheap" film.