**Music Before/After**

leaveiton

I know it's not for another week but I think everyone will start focusing in on it from now due to being largely finished with other exams. I'm probably still going to leave everything until Wednesday though :P :pac:

So, thoughts? What's everyone hoping for for Q1?

Killian In The Name Of

I will sob uncontrollably if Barry is up as the main question!

PictureFrame

leaveiton wrote: »

I know it's not for another week but I think everyone will start focusing in on it from now due to being largely finished with other exams. I'm probably still going to leave everything until Wednesday though :P :pac:

So, thoughts? What's everyone hoping for for Q1?

Uggghhh. Haven't even thought of Music yet. And kinda hoping for an A2..

J_E

Killian In The Name Of wrote: »

I will sob uncontrollably if Barry is up as the main question!

Barry is the easiest main question though, there is only so much that can be asked on it.

leaveiton

Cydoniac wrote: »

Barry is the easiest main question though, there is only so much that can be asked on it.

True that, Barry is actually one of the nicer ones you can get for Q1!

Bubbleope

wouldn't mind Bach as Q1. favourite!

PictureFrame

Bubbleope wrote: »

wouldn't mind Bach as Q1. favourite!

eww

Bubbleope

PictureFrame wrote: »

eww

O: the questions on it are SIMPLE! that's why i like it. i prefer listening to queen but the questions they ask on that are a bit more complicated tbh. bach all the way. or tchaikovsky. barry can g'way cause he gives me a headache.

Nazata

Hoping for Barry as the question 1 atm, good questions and the music really grows on you after a few listens...

Lamph

Nazata wrote: »

and the music really grows on you after a few listens...

No. No it doesn't.
The emperor has no new suit. He's actually just naked. :P

Bubbleope

what essays are people gonna focus most on? i still need to go and get my music folder from wherever it is.. :L didn't even look at any music yet! :eek:

ChemHickey

Can anyone post essay plans or how you go about answering the essay question? I really need full marks on it! I have never done one really and don't know where to start!

stall_the_ball

Personally i'm concentrating on sean nos, changes in the 20th century, north america, song tradition, harping and ornamentation. Changes in the 20th century hasn't come up since 06 i think

leaveiton

I'm only learning Sean Nos, North America and stuff about Micheal O'Suileabhain and hoping I can fit them in somewhere :pac:

JonnyMcNamee

Hoping for Barry or Tchaik for a nice Q1 for the essays I'm focusing on Fusion, Sean-nos singing, Influence of trad music in North America and Canada, The Harping tradition/Bunting/Belfast Harp Festival and I'll probably know abit on the Uillean pipes. You only need around a page lads so keep it short and to the point! My teacher said to think of it like geography! To get full marks they wanna see SRPs not waffle

Lamph

Music is one of my favourite LC subs...
...I've gone thru the past papers and have put together my findings in a video.
This is it:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSrXMaskFhQ

lorrieq

Woah woah woah. We all know Tchaikovsky is coming up on Q1.

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lorrieq wrote: »

Woah woah woah. We all know Tchaikovsky is coming up on Q1.

I actually think Barry could be the Q.1 this year!

ChemHickey

PictureFrame wrote: »

I actually think Barry could be the Q.1 this year!

Yep, agree. Barry Q1, discussing the C movement/sections with a division of a question on C4-Hommage to Horowitz.

ConTheCat

Really want Tchaikovsky as the main question!!!!

Killian In The Name Of

lorrieq wrote: »

Woah woah woah. We all know Tchaikovsky is coming up on Q1.

Two words:

Sylvia Plath.

leaveiton

Killian In The Name Of wrote: »

Two words:

Sylvia Plath.

Nah she's not on the course for this year

In all seriousness though it's not really the same thing, all 4 works will be on the paper so it's not like people will be leaving any out (or at least I hope not :P)

Bubbleope

ChemHickey wrote: »

Can anyone post essay plans or how you go about answering the essay question? I really need full marks on it! I have never done one really and don't know where to start!

which essay/s?

Luno

Dreading the listening and Irish music. I'm going to try cover fusions, North America, collectors and I could waffle on about sean nós or harping.
For composing I'd love just a normal minor melody writing and major backing chord question.

ehshup

how much do you need to write for the essays? i wrote a sample answer on The Chieftains for fusion but it's not too long, it's about 320 words, I basically just list the different types of music they experimented with and give a detailed description of one of their fusion projects. Is that enough?

Murphdog94

ehshup wrote: »

how much do you need to write for the essays? i wrote a sample answer on The Chieftains for fusion but it's not too long, it's about 320 words, I basically just list the different types of music they experimented with and give a detailed description of one of their fusion projects. Is that enough?

320words??!!
Its only 10 marks. They only give you a little bit of space to write in.
I'd be happy with 125 :pac:

ivanh

So I'm hoping that Barry/Bach is question 1

And for Irish Music I'm leanring Sean Nós, Harping Tradition, Regional Styles and The Chieftans

And I mean that in the sense that I have to learn them all before tomorrow

Happy Days..

lantern..

I know this is last minute,(better late then never!) but I'm just listening to all the works and I'm getting stumped.

What sort of questions do they actually ask in the works? I looked at past papers but still getting stumped. I feel like I'm either not learning enough or learning too much.

So what sort of questions do they ask for all the different works?
And if there's another thread with this exact question, I would appreciate it if you could link it. Thanks!

Bubbleope

melodic features(repetiton, sequence, repeated notes, broken chords/arpeggios, chromatic)
rhythmic features(syncopation, dotted, smooth, changing time signatures, unusual time signature, polymetry)
compositional features(canon, imitation, antiphony, ostinato, word-painting, wedging, splicing, diminution, retrograde)
instrumental features(pizzicato, arco, virbato, con sord, hand clusters, harmonics, flautando, detache, glissando, bending)
themes
sections/movements of the work
instrumentation(melody & accompaniment)
texture(homophonic, monophonic, polyphonic)
explain a certain term(ritornello etc.)
features of the style[(Baroque Era: Bach = continuo section, figured bass, canon, word-painting, aria, recitative, chaconne, pedal note, melisma)(Romantic Era: Tchaikovsky = large orchestra, rich harmonies, programme music, lyrical melody)(20th Century Era: Barry = changing time signatures, polymetry, atonal, no fixed structure, retrograde)(Mixture of Styles- Ballad-pop/Opera/Rock: Queen = solo vocal with broken chordal piano & guitar accompaniment; antiphony - polyphonic texture, imitation, stacatto chords, italien text; heavy drums, loud dynamics, syncopation, guitar techniques such as distortion, bends, licks and riffs)]

they can ask you to fill in a bar or two as well. so it's no harm in learning the themes. S:
they like asking about "changes" that happened so make sure you know one or two differences between each section of each work

hopefully that sorta helped?

leaveiton

All good advice above! They can also ask things like "Describe what happens next," where you just have to have a good knowledge of the work and what comes after the excerpt. They can ask wordy questions like "Describe Barry's use of Irish melodies in Piano Quartet No. 1" and I think there was a question on my mock asking about Tchaikovsky's use of programme music.

screeeewed

What is the timing for the composing.and harmony questions would ye say..?:)

Bubbleope

screeeewed wrote: »

What is the timing for the composing.and harmony questions would ye say..?:)

omg somebody please answer this!! :L
my timing failed me in the mocks for the composing. /: it took me sooo long to do the melody nice and neatly and then the harmony was a mess.
i think i spent 1 hr on the melody and 30 mins on the harmony. it was a disaster. had to rush both of them tbh. /: needed more time. O:
how long are you meant to spend on each?

JonnyMcNamee

Bubbleope wrote: »

omg somebody please answer this!! :L
my timing failed me in the mocks for the composing. /: it took me sooo long to do the melody nice and neatly and then the harmony was a mess.
i think i spent 1 hr on the melody and 30 mins on the harmony. it was a disaster. had to rush both of them tbh. /: needed more time. O:
how long are you meant to spend on each?

Never really had any problem with timing before, I always get pieces done in under 30 mins, but like with a lot of things you need to leave yourself time to look back over what you've done because you will always find little mistakes. 35 mins for each piece should be grand, leaving you with 10 mins to check over each question

sheeba7

For the minor melody and harmony question , can we use the harmonic minor or do we have to use the melodic minor?

ChemHickey

sheeba7 wrote: »

For the minor melody and harmony question , can we use the harmonic minor or do we have to use the melodic minor?

You can use either apparently. But I'd stick with melodic as it sounds nicer and less 'Eastern' (less Egyptian or Asian)

Bubbleope

JonnyMcNamee wrote: »

Never really had any problem with timing before, I always get pieces done in under 30 mins, but like with a lot of things you need to leave yourself time to look back over what you've done because you will always find little mistakes. 35 mins for each piece should be grand, leaving you with 10 mins to check over each question

scheisse where am i going with 1hr and 30 mins. XD ah i'm fúcked.:o can't wait for it to be over. thanks though. i'll try to shtick it to that timing so

sheeba7

So for harmonic minor do you just sharpen the seventh .

colehface

My teacher always said spend 50 minutes on Q5 and then the rest on either Q1 OR Q3.
Wouldn't be suprised if they were both in the minor.
I've heard a tonne of teachers hint at Tchaikovsky for question one on the listening paper too!
Something on Sean O Riada will probably come up, but the questions are always so specific ;x

Sinfonia

sheeba7 wrote: »

So for harmonic minor do you just sharpen the seventh .

*Raise the seventh (i.e. if the 7th is already flat, then you naturalise it)

colehface

sheeba7 wrote: »

So for harmonic minor do you just sharpen the seventh .

Yeah, harmonic minor is where you raise the 7th note a semitone.
So if it's already sharp, it becomes natural, etc.

colehface

Sinfonia wrote: »

*Raise the seventh (i.e. if the 7th is already flat, then you naturalise it)

Great minds and all that :P

sheeba7

Sorry chemhickey , so the only thing i will have to do with the notes in the minor harmony baseline , is raise the seventh note a semitone .
So there is no change to any other note

colehface

sheeba7 wrote: »

Sorry chemhickey , so the only thing i will have to do with the notes in the minor harmony baseline , is raise the seventh note a semitone .
So there is no change to any other note

The chord of two is diminished so you are only able to use it in its first inversion position.
Chord six can only be used in its root position.
My teacher always recommended avoiding V7 if you have trouble understanding the whole raising the leading note a semitone.

lantern..

@ Bubbleope and leaveiton

Aaaand our teacher taught us none of that....fml.
Looks like it's going to be a busy night, but thank you so much, no wonder I had so much trouble during the mocks!
This will help quite a bit

ChemHickey

sheeba7 wrote: »

Sorry chemhickey , so the only thing i will have to do with the notes in the minor harmony baseline , is raise the seventh note a semitone .
So there is no change to any other note

Only raise it if you are ascending, and remember, the Leading note (7th note) must always rise to the tonic in Leaving cert music... It's just a little rule really. If you can, raise the 6th and then 7th (as 2 quavers) and then tonic on a full beat if it suits. It makes a nicer sound than just the raised seventh note eg. F G# A. doesn't sound as nice as F# G# A.

Then when falling from tonic, flatten/naaturalise the two notes.

So in A harmonic minor, it would be F G# A G# F (A tad egyptian as I already said)

A melodic minor F# G# A Gnatural Fnatural (more melodic as the name suggests)

PictureFrame

Ok for Irish Music essays, I need to learn:

1. Influence of Irish Music in North America
2. Fusion of Irish Music and Other Styles
3. Changes within and outside the tradition
4. The Céilí Band
5. Regional Styles

Other than that, i'm learning Section 1, 4, 6, 7 from Bach

Barry- A, B1, C1, C2, D1, D2+B3, E1, C4, C5, E2+D3, F+C8, C9, H

Queen- Everything but the Recap

Tchaikovsky- Exposition, Transition, Development, Recap, Coda

ChemHickey

PictureFrame wrote: »

Ok for Irish Music essays, I need to learn:

1. Influence of Irish Music in North America
2. Fusion of Irish Music and Other Styles
3. Changes within and outside the tradition
4. The Céilí Band
5. Regional Styles

Other than that, i'm learning Section 1, 4, 6, 7 from Bach

Barry- A, B1, C1, C2, D1, D2+B3, E1, C4, C5, E2+D3, F+C8, C9, H

Queen- Everything but the Recap

Tchaikovsky- Exposition, Transition, Development, Recap, Coda

Céilí band came up last year no?

Learn Bach 5. Hasn't been up in a while I don't think.

Tchaik- Strife theme.

Bubbleope

if the second song and riff comes up for the queen part of the listening i think i might just start dancing in my chair.

PictureFrame

ChemHickey wrote: »

Céilí band came up last year no?

Learn Bach 5. Hasn't been up in a while I don't think.

Tchaik- Strife theme.

Yeah you're right, I will learn the Harp instead, hasn't been on since 2003!

I think 5 (Bass recitative) came up last year!

I'm struggling to learn this stuff, ughh

leaveiton

I'd love a nice Baroque piece for the aural skills tomorrow. Dunno why but I love answering questions on Baroque music :pac:

ivanh

I know this is awfully last minute, BUT

Can someone please explain the terms monophonic, homophonic and polyphonic??

I just don't get them /