UCD/Usher/Lucan/Orwell/Tiernans Club league 14/06/12

rosscollins88

Hi folks,

Where is sign on tonight? Is it the same place as all the road races at Black Bull?

Is the course an out and back to the roundabout just past Batterstown?

Cheers,
Ross

buffalo

rosscollins88 wrote: »

Hi folks,

Where is sign on tonight? Is it the same place as all the road races at Black Bull?

Is the course an out and back to the roundabout just past Batterstown?

Cheers,
Ross

Orwell forum says:

10 Mile TT will start in Batterstown at 7.00.
Lap of Mullagh circuit finishing about mile after Hatchet pub on the Dunboyne/Summerhill Road

I presume the circuit is this: http://app.strava.com/segments/710789

kenmc

And the forecast is "inclement" to say the least.
Gale force winds and heavy rain.
Should be.... fun?

Idleater

kenmc wrote: »

And the forecast is "inclement" to say the least.
Gale force winds and heavy rain.
Should be.... fun?

As per last race, my bike is still in hospital but I'm going to cycle out on the commuter. Surely the rules for mudguards etc only apply to bunch racing.
Depending on wind direction I might leave the pannier on :-D

rosscollins88

Slow course then!

Thanks for that,
Ross

buffalo

Idleater wrote: »

Depending on wind direction I might leave the pannier on :-D

Looks like those gales will be a tailwind, then a crosswind, then a headwind. yay!

kenmc

buffalo wrote: »

Looks like those gales will be a tailwind, then a crosswind, then a headwind. yay!

Dream on. It'll be a headwind, a headwind and then a headwind. Just like last year
:mad:

buffalo

Out of curiosity, I was looking at top times for this last year:

1 23'18 S
2 23'42 S
3 23'48 S
4 23'51 S
5 24'04 SS
6 24'34 S
7 24'34 S
8 24'39 S
9 24'39 SS
10 24'40 S

Interested to see how this year's times compare. Particularly my own after eating half a packet of custard creams at lunch.

daragh_

Just out of interest, does everyone rock up to this with TT-Bikes, skinsuits and pointy hats? Or do people do it with their bog-standard bikes and clip on aero bars?

Not taking part tonight, just for future reference.

Diarmuid

daragh_ wrote: »

Just out of interest, does everyone rock up to this with TT-Bikes, skinsuits and pointy hats? Or do people do it with their bog-standard bikes and clip on aero bars?.

pulling numbers out of thin air, Id say: 20% skinsuits, 30% TT bikes, 30% pointy hats

Lumen

daragh_ wrote: »

Just out of interest, does everyone rock up to this with TT-Bikes, skinsuits and pointy hats? Or do people do it with their bog-standard bikes and clip on aero bars?

Both and everything in between, and a fair few with no aerobars either.

CramCycle

Lumen wrote: »

Both and everything in between, and a fair few with no aerobars either.

If I was going I probably wouldn't put mine on, slow enough without halping myself fall over on the way round.

buffalo

daragh_ wrote: »

Just out of interest, does everyone rock up to this with TT-Bikes, skinsuits and pointy hats? Or do people do it with their bog-standard bikes and clip on aero bars?

Not taking part tonight, just for future reference.

I'm doing it on regular road bike, regular helmet, regular kit, no aero bars. But I don't expect to win.

manwithaplan

As my typically incisive contribution to your league threads, I am pleased to see that you are now officially "U Lot".

Lumen

Goosebumps are like Zipp dimples, right?

fat bloke

Lumen wrote: »

Goosebumps are like Zipp dimples, right?

If you turn up in your birthday suit, I'm u-turning for home.

fat bloke

buffalo wrote: »

Out of curiosity, I was looking at top times for this last year:

1 23'18 S
2 23'42 S
3 23'48 S
4 23'51 S
5 24'04 SS
6 24'34 S
7 24'34 S
8 24'39 S
9 24'39 SS
10 24'40 S

Interested to see how this year's times compare. Particularly my own after eating half a packet of custard creams at lunch.

I've never done a TT before but based on my own training garmin files, they're savage times. 24 minutes is 40kph average. Apart from league races I very rarely see over 30kph average over a spin. Even at the races, it's usually 38, maybe 39.

Lumen

fat bloke wrote: »

I've never done a TT before but based on my own training garmin files, they're savage times. 24 minutes is 40kph average. Apart from league races I very rarely see over 30kph average over a spin. Even at the races, it's usually 38, maybe 39.

TT gear makes a big difference.

To put this into perspective...

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest/511921/wiggins-and-hutchinson-in-10-mile-tt-showdown.html

...though the UK courses used for those sub-18 minute times would be a fair bit faster than Batterstown - straight and well surfaced.

lalorm

Idleater wrote: »

As per last race, my bike is still in hospital but I'm going to cycle out on the commuter. Surely the rules for mudguards etc only apply to bunch racing.
Depending on wind direction I might leave the pannier on :-D

Are you taking part on that thing? If someone catches you, just drop a mudguard or a bell

Doesn't look like it's going to be nice tonight. Waiting on a courier with my new Aero helmet! Don't think it'll be here in time.

lalorm

buffalo wrote: »

Out of curiosity, I was looking at top times for this last year:

1 23'18 S
2 23'42 S
3 23'48 S
4 23'51 S
5 24'04 SS
6 24'34 S
7 24'34 S
8 24'39 S
9 24'39 SS
10 24'40 S

Interested to see how this year's times compare. Particularly my own after eating half a packet of custard creams at lunch.

To get in at around 23' you have to average 41kph. Did the circuit on Monday, nice and calm and managed it in 27'30. So anything under 30 and I'm happy tonight.

kenmc

I'm just hoping to beat my 29:00 from last year. Currently searching google maps for a shortcut.

lalorm

lalorm wrote: »

To get in at around 23' you have to average 41kph. Did the circuit on Monday, nice and calm and managed it in 27'30. So anything under 30 and I'm happy tonight.

26'50. I'm happy enough with that. Won't be in the top 10 with it, but it's better than last year and better than last Monday! Though old wind on the finishing straight. Didn't expect the gravel surface as it wasn't there on Monday but overall happy and delighted I didn't fall over on my first day using the aero bars!

kenmc

According to Strava, 27:06 for me, almost 2 mins better than last year, happy with that.

Lumen

That was fun. None of my gadgets were working so I did it on "perceived suffering". Used my road bike with clip-ons, a disc, a 50mm front and a sperm hat.

PedalpedalpedalpedalROUNDABOUTpedalpedalBRAKEleftpedalpedalpedalHILLpedalpedalBRAKELEFTpedalpedalGRAAAAAVELLLLLLpedalpedalBRAKELEFTpedalpedalBRIDGEpedalpedalDONE.

Too much braking but I'm a coward in the wet. 25:19 according to the time sheet. Not particularly looking forward to the 25/40. Must book a holiday for that one.

buffalo

Lumen wrote: »

That was fun. None of my gadgets were working so I did it on "perceived suffering". Used my road bike with clip-ons, a disc, a 50mm front and a sperm hat.

PedalpedalpedalpedalROUNDABOUTpedalpedalBRAKEleftpedalpedalpedalHILLpedalpedalBRAKELEFTpedalpedalGRAAAAAVELLLLLLpedalpedalBRAKELEFTpedalpedalBRIDGEpedalpedalDONE.

Too much braking but I'm a coward in the wet. 25:19 according to the time sheet. Not particularly looking forward to the 25/40. Must book a holiday for that one.

Is it childish of me that my target was to beat Lumen? I'm determined to show that all the aero gear is of no advantage at the end of the day. Recorded time was 25'06". WHERE IS YOUR GOD OF SCIENCE NOW?

CramCycle

Lumen wrote: »

Too much braking but I'm a coward in the wet. 25:19 according to the time sheet.

25:19 and taking it easy, not words I'd use myself, I tip my hat to you sir.

EDIT: Just seen buffalos post, I take my hat off to you.

Lumen

buffalo wrote: »

Is it childish of me that my target was to beat Lumen? I'm determined to show that all the aero gear is of no advantage at the end of the day. Recorded time was 25'06". WHERE IS YOUR GOD OF SCIENCE NOW?

I feel only pleased to be of assistance in your target setting. Well done

You might pick a more challenging target though. I am rapidly approaching vets age and racing in semi-limit. :pac:

joker77

When + where will the results be up? I didn't switch on my unreliable bike computer, was doing this on perceived suffering as well.

kenmc

joker77 wrote: »

When + where will the results be up? I didn't switch on my unreliable bike computer, was doing this on perceived suffering as well.

they usually go into the spreadsheet

buffalo

kenmc wrote: »

According to Strava, 27:06 for me, almost 2 mins better than last year, happy with that.

Strava says 24.59 for me, but recorded time was 25.06, so be prepared for a few seconds' slippage.

Happy enough with the ride. Regular everything, cycled out, thought I'd be early, but wasn't, 45th starter. Good pace with the tailwind, was aiming to keep total average over 40kmph if possible. Managed to do that, and a bit more, until the last stretch. That headwind just sapped my energy, pace just dropped and dropped.

Head's not screwed on right today though. Left my rainjacket in someone's boot, forgot to wait at the finish line to retrieve it. Food was in the pocket. Stop at a garage on the way home, saturated. Go to buy some jellies, realise I've left my wallet in work. Get home, start packing for weekend trip, realise passport is not at home. Sorted now. If someone hears of a white translucent raincape around, let me know.

Beasty

Lumen wrote: »

I am rapidly approaching vets age and racing in semi-limit. :pac:

There's a guy in his 50s won the vets 10m Leinster Championship tonight in a time of 21 minutes something, so you still have plenty to aim for;)

fat bloke

I've said it before (only last week) and I'll say it again:

"Should be extra points for the hard men, and one woman, that turn up in this weather."

Think there might have been two women this week too actually, but fair play to all, regardless of sex/colour/creed/orientation. Tough night for lads such as myself trying out tri bars for the first time ever, and judging by wobbly warm ups, I certainly wasn't the only one. I neglected to bring my turbo cos I thought I might look like a spanner but it seems it was the thing to do! Was surprised at how comfortable, once I got used to them, the tri bars were to use, but on their debut night I could certainly have done without the 90 mph cross winds and the freshly deposited knee-deep gravel....

Anyway, pootled around for meself, thinking I was a right goer until Shane Baker (who had started 2 minutes behind me!) passed me on the fcukin Mullagh . I briefly debated the wisdom of jumping on his back wheel but by the time my right hand had reached back for the gear lever he had "whong-whong-whong'ed" into the distance. I did restore some masculinity by similarly taking the scalp later of the lad who had started before me!

Being my first time trial I didn't really know how to play it, my primary concern was to not go too hard and blow up, so I might have been a bit conservative but having said that it's not like I had untold reserves on the flat 4k home into the wind.

All in all, good craic. I'll have to wait for official results for my time. I did ask at the finish but I can't remember what it was. It was a 26 something, and the something was either 50 or 11, and I can't remember which!

Anyway. 'Twas a start. Would be interesting to put in a bit of practice for such an event an see how I could improve. It's a whole other mindset and physiological set to be riding start to finish for 80+k all the time, and then suddenly do a 16k.

-What's the deal with handicaps actually, as a matter of interest, in terms of the league. How do they work the different groups (limit to scratch). Are there points within each group or do they offer time handicaps or what's the deal?

doozerie

Lumen wrote: »

You might pick a more challenging target though. I am rapidly approaching vets age and racing in semi-limit. :pac:

Yeah but you are only toying with us in semi-limit. I suspect you are only lingering in our group for the, er, glamour, and for the (elusive) semi-limit groupies. Off to semi-scratch with you!

buffalo

fat bloke wrote: »

-What's the deal with handicaps actually, as a matter of interest, in terms of the league. How do they work the different groups (limit to scratch). Are there points within each group or do they offer time handicaps or what's the deal?

I think points are given like a DMS, first six in each group.

For the TT champs, medals are given to first three of each club - no handicaps.

Lumen

doozerie wrote: »

Yeah but you are only toying with us in semi-limit

I didn't see the results for last year, but in 2010 there was a Semi-limiter with 23'32, a Limiter with 24'57, and another with 25'11. They were all from UCD. :rolleyes:

So without knowing anything about this years results, I speculate that UCD riders in the lower groups will do very well.

buffalo

Lumen wrote: »

I didn't see the results for last year, but in 2010 there was a Semi-limiter with 23'32, a Limiter with 24'57, and another with 25'11. They were all from UCD. :rolleyes:

So without knowing anything about this years results, I speculate that UCD riders in the lower groups will do very well.

Top three SL last year were 25.45 (#20), then 25.48 (a junior, whom we were talking about last night ) and 25.55. All were Orwell.

PS good to meet Idleater last night. He didn't have the panniers on, disappointing! :P

Lumen

buffalo wrote: »

Top three SL last year were 25.45 (#20), then 25.48 (a junior, whom we were talking about last night ) and 25.55. All were Orwell.

Eh right, I'd better stop slagging UCD about sandbagging then.

buffalo

http://www.orwellwheelers.org/forum/5-racing/3678-results-of-10m-tt.html

Time to move up to SS Lumen?

Idleater

buffalo wrote: »

PS good to meet Idleater last night. He didn't have the panniers on, disappointing! :P

Likewise, glad to be a good minute man:-)
I was going to leave the pannier on seeing all the disc wheels but was persuaded against. Paid for that by having to cycle back to the start before cycling home in the rain.

I don't know my official time as it was scribbled over on the sheet - probably due to the fairing (mudguards) and starter grip (rack) failing uci scrutineering, but the garmin indicated 28:00.

Must search for last year's thread for my time then.

buffalo

buffalo wrote: »

http://www.orwellwheelers.org/forum/5-racing/3678-results-of-10m-tt.html

Time to move up to SS Lumen?

In order of overall time (that's overall position, cat, position in cat, club, rider, time):

1 S 1 USHER Shane Baker 22.32
2 S 2 LUCAN John Caffrey 23.13
3 S 3 UCD Ross Collins 23.38
4 S 4 USHER Brian Quirke 23.38
5 S 5 LUCAN Padraig Doherty 23.58
6 S 6 ORWELL Eric Downey 24.18
7 SS 1 ORWELL Lloyd Berry 24.27
8 SS 2 ORWELL Liam Rowsome 24.47
9 S 7 ORWELL Patrick O'Brien 24.53
10 SS 3 ORWELL Brian McArdle 25.06
11 SS 4 ORWELL Gavin Dodd 25.09
12 SL 1 ORWELL John Latham 25.19
13 SS 5 TIERNANS Robert Kelly 25.46
14 SS 6 LUCAN Barry Sheridan 25.5
15 SS 7 USHER Sean Bracken 25.54
16 SS 8 ORWELL Patrick Santini 25.57
17 SL 2 LUCAN Derek Stenson 26.09
18 SS 9 LUCAN Brian Reynolds 26.16
19 S 8 ORWELL Diarmuid Collins 26.16
20 SS 10 ORWELL Neal Hudson 26.24
21 SL 3 USHER Aoghan Lynch 26.36
22 SS 11 LUCAN Ian O Hara 26.37
23 S 9 LUCAN Rory Farrell 26.45
24 SL 4 LUCAN Michael Lalor 26.5
25 L 1 ORWELL Niall Tobin 26.52
26 SL 5 ORWELL Fionn Griffin 26.55
27 L 2 LUCAN Adam Stenson 27.12
28 SL 6 USHER Aidan Whelan 27.13
29 SS 12 ORWELL Anne Dalton 27.13
30 SS 13 ORWELL Kenneth McCullagh 27.13
31 SL 7 TIERNANS Mick Dempsey 27.5
32 SL 8 ORWELL Jamie Busher 27.51
33 SL 9 LUCAN Laurence Foley 27.57
34 SL 10 ORWELL Fionn Sheridan 28.01
35 L 3 ORWELL John-Paul Corcoran 28.02
36 L 4 ORWELL Nick Watson 28.02
37 SL 11 ORWELL Ivan O'Brien 28.08
38 L 5 UCD Tim Hennessey 28.12
39 L 6 ORWELL Lucy Soden 28.15
40 SL 12 TIERNANS Stefan Engermann 28.16
41 L 7 USHER Billy Purcell 28.17
42 SL 13 USHER Willie Cannon 28.21
43 L 8 ORWELL Julian Moore 28.29
44 SL 14 LUCAN Adrian Maris 28.52
45 L 9 ORWELL Jack O'Connor 28.55
46 SL 15 LUCAN Peter McDonagh 28.56
47 L 10 LUCAN Dermot Whilte 29.37
48 L 11 ORWELL Siobhán O'Connor 30.06
49 SL 16 LUCAN Dermot O Gorman 30.21
50 L 12 ORWELL Naoise Sheridan 31.57
51 L 13 ORWELL Ciara O'Hagan 34.05

Interesting to see no Orwell in the top five, then a block of seven!

buffalo

Idleater wrote: »

I don't know my official time as it was scribbled over on the sheet - probably due to the fairing (mudguards) and starter grip (rack) failing uci scrutineering, but the garmin indicated 28:00.

Must search for last year's thread for my time then.

She thought I was you when I rolled in, it was my incorrect time scribbled over. Last year's 10m times are available at http://www.orwellwheelers.org/images/docs/cl2011.xls

Now I'd better do some actual work!

manwithaplan

51 turned up in the rain and wind to do a TT that clashed with both the Ireland/Spain match and the Leinster TT championships?

Chapeau U Lot!

doozerie

Lumen wrote: »

I didn't see the results for last year, but in 2010 there was a Semi-limiter with 23'32, a Limiter with 24'57, and another with 25'11. They were all from UCD. :rolleyes:

They were all in a hurry to get back to the college to return some overdue books. The motivating power of the vengeful librarian is under-rated.

Rofo

buffalo wrote: »

PS good to meet Idleater last night. He didn't have the panniers on, disappointing! :P

There was definitely someone with panniers. I had assumed it was Idleater from my vantage point on the left turn after the roundabout.

Well done to all who came out. It looked fairly painful and that was with a tailwind where I was stationed. I've never done a TT and thinking the 25M one later in the season will be a painful way to break that cherry

btw I have an aero water bottle that the rider on the Brian Quirke bike lost if anyone knows him (can't recall which club). I can bring it along next Thursday.

buffalo

manwithaplan wrote: »

51 turned up in the rain and wind to do a TT that clashed with both the Ireland/Spain match and the Leinster TT championships?

Chapeau U Lot!

Swords would've cancelled the whole thing.

Mr. Grieves

Didn't really enjoy that, but pleasantly surprised by my time. I definitely prefer pushing against a hill than the wind. Flying up the main road with a tailwind was fun though.

Interesting to note that, if my maths is right, I'd have to increase my average power by >15% to beat Shane Baker's time (though he did have all the aero gear).

Scober

Rode the last 5 mile on a flat rear...not to be recommended, desending off the Mullagh wasn't very nice