Cheating in Exams........

SureYWouldntYa

Im sure theres at least one of those in your school. Got all the essays in his pocket, asks to go to toilet and then uses it

One lad in my year got caught out in history, happiest moment of my life, none his essay came up and he was fuked. He's been sorted for the rest though, English, Geography, Irish, Business tomorrow

Who would like to see these people caught by examiner? Be brilliant. Thinking their so much smarter than us doing stuff like that.... prob then costing someone who worked harder than them a place in college...

MagicMarker

If you know someone is cheating then tell someone about it, rather than piss and moan on the internet.

iliketwixbars

MagicMarker wrote: »

If you know someone is cheating then tell someone about it, rather than piss and moan on the internet.

Yeah, cause that's going to happen. :rolleyes:

Dapics

SureYWouldntYa wrote: »

Im sure theres at least one of those in your school. Got all the essays in his pocket, asks to go to toilet and then uses it

One lad in my year got caught out in history, happiest moment of my life, none his essay came up and he was fuked. He's been sorted for the rest though, English, Geography, Irish, Business tomorrow

Who would like to see these people caught by examiner? Be brilliant. Thinking their so much smarter than us doing stuff like that.... prob then costing someone who worked harder than them a place in college...

I know a few lads who have in recent years resorted to this, they all got away with it, the bin in the bathrooms is not just for rubbish you know :cool:

MadsL

I thought there was competition for academic places - why would you not report cheating?

IslandKid

MagicMarker wrote: »

If you know someone is cheating then tell someone about it, rather than piss and moan on the internet.

shut up

Zomg Okay

No

That's the problem. It's disgusting if you see someone cheating but chances are, you've grown up alongside your classmates since first year. Maybe it's just because I'm in a fairly small year (~45 students in total) but we're all friends and I'd never be able to bring myself to rat one of them out if I saw them cheating.

Bears and Vodka

No

iliketwixbars wrote: »

Yeah, cause that's going to happen. :rolleyes:

Why the fudge not? There has been small scale cheating in my exam centre (people whispering answers to each other) but nothing major. If someone does something serious I'll have no problem ratting them out. It's the Leaving Cert ffs, not a school fight. The person might be cheating YOU out of their course. The thing is probably nothing will be done about it.

Cruel Sun

No

People who cheat are fairly pathetic IMO.

lol. When I saw the thread name....... "Cheating in Exams" and then your name "SureYWouldn'tYa".

iliketwixbars

subz3r0 wrote: »

Why the fudge not? There has been small scale cheating in my exam centre (people whispering answers to each other) but nothing major. If someone does something serious I'll have no problem ratting them out. It's the Leaving Cert ffs, not a school fight. The person might be cheating YOU out of their course. The thing is probably nothing will be done about it.

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I'm just saying :L ...it's unlikely that someone will report it. Well, unless your a right rat :P (or a sensible, human being who is insuring the integrity of the state examinations )

Cruel Sun

No

Zomg Okay wrote: »

That's the problem. It's disgusting if you see someone cheating but chances are, you've grown up alongside your classmates since first year. Maybe it's just because I'm in a fairly small year (~45 students in total) but we're all friends and I'd never be able to bring myself to rat one of them out if I saw them cheating.

I haven't formed enough of an emotional attachment to anyone in my school/life to warrant not reporting them for large scale cheating. Whispers or something I wouldn't really care about, but if someone had notes stuffed in the toilets or something. **** them, I'm reporting.

I've seen no cheating at all in our school during the leaving cert.

teacher30

SureYWouldntYa wrote: »

Im sure theres at least one of those in your school. Got all the essays in his pocket, asks to go to toilet and then uses it

One lad in my year got caught out in history, happiest moment of my life, none his essay came up and he was fuked. He's been sorted for the rest though, English, Geography, Irish, Business tomorrow

Who would like to see these people caught by examiner? Be brilliant. Thinking their so much smarter than us doing stuff like that.... prob then costing someone who worked harder than them a place in college...

Couldn't have put it better myself - well said. I DESPISE cheaters - they're capable of anything if they cann do that imo

Zomg Okay

No

Martin_94 wrote: »

I've seen no cheating at all in our school during the leaving cert.

Same here, although I'm at the front of the exam hall and not in the habit of looking around for fear the examiner would think *I* was cheating. :P

Thinking about it, I don't think anybody in my year is stupid enough to cheat. But you never know, either.

QueenOfLeon

No

IslandKid wrote: »

shut up

If you've nothing constructive to add to the thread, don't post in it please.

Darren.993

Report it. As someone said this is the leaving cert, those people have an unfair advantage over those who actually did the work, yourself included.

Cruel Sun

No

Zomg Okay wrote: »

Same here, although I'm at the front of the exam hall and not in the habit of looking around for fear the examiner would think *I* was cheating. :P

Thinking about it, I don't think anybody in my year is stupid enough to cheat. But you never know, either.

I don't know how morally someone would be capable of it either, but obviously some people are. Imagine your summer.....the guilt would be eating you up, well it would be eating me up anyway.

Wanchor

Our examiner was pretty clueless to our presence in the exam rooms at times, he seemed to wander off into the ceiling so cheating was quite easy if one wanted to try it but then he was sacked, swiftly and quietly. He gave us out examination booklets with Maths Paper 2. Nevertheless, he was still a legend. He let us go on at least at extra 8-10 minutes in the exam. In contrast, the new dude is a dick. He gives us our paper on the desk and we can't turn it over till the second hand strikes exactly on time.

I couldn't like with myself if I cheated.

partyatmygaff

If you can't report them in school, send an anonymous email to the SEC with the person's name and exam centre.

The competition is fierce and people cheating the other honest, hard-working students out of a college place need to be weeded out.

SureYWouldntYa

It prob goes on everywhere but he's stupid nuff to tell everyone how smart he is..........

Personally don't like the guy, but id hate to have the rat label on me. No-one in my year would do it, as one of ye said it is a small year etc.

Fyi, he's a medicine guy.......

Dapics

SureYWouldntYa wrote: »

It prob goes on everywhere but he's stupid nuff to tell everyone how smart he is..........

Personally don't like the guy, but id hate to have the rat label on me. No-one in my year would do it, as one of ye said it is a small year etc.

Fyi, he's a medicine guy.......

Desperate Times call for desperate measures eh?

If hes has to resort to cheating to help him out then I really dont know how he will get his points. It's just illogical

partyatmygaff

SureYWouldntYa wrote: »

It prob goes on everywhere but he's stupid nuff to tell everyone how smart he is..........

Personally don't like the guy, but id hate to have the rat label on me. No-one in my year would do it, as one of ye said it is a small year etc.

Fyi, he's a medicine guy.......

If you don't want it to be traced to you, PM me the details and i'll forward it to the SEC.

There's no room for cheaters in healthcare and with the competition already as fierce as it is, the morally sound option is to report him.

Zomg Okay

No

Martin_94 wrote: »

I don't know how morally someone would be capable of it either, but obviously some people are. Imagine your summer.....the guilt would be eating you up, well it would be eating me up anyway.

I get so guilty I couldn't cheat in a class test, never mind the Leaving! :P

Cruel Sun

No

Our these really the type of people we want as our future doctors? Seriously.

Wanchor

partyatmygaff wrote: »

If you can't report them in school, send an anonymous email to the SEC with the person's name and exam centre.

The competition is fierce and people cheating the other honest, hard-working students out of a college place need to be weeded out.

Although, I hate cheating, sending an every anonymous email is not the way to combat it. I mean, do you really think the SEC would follow up on anonymous email accusing someone of cheating? The investigation would require some official SEC worker to every case, legitimate or not, and probably freeze they're results. They automatically become guilty until proven innocent.

Cosmic.Postman

Just don't be at it laaaaads!
Poor form now.

J_E

No

Dapics wrote: »

Desperate Times call for desperate measures eh?

If hes has to resort to cheating to help him out then I really dont know how he will get his points. It's just illogical

Depending on the student, I wouldn't say desperate, probably more worried and stressed that they might not succeed. Sometimes I wonder why more hopefuls for high-points courses like Physiotherapy and Medicine aren't caught cheating, the standards expected of them are somewhat unrealistic given that they have to have a good base on not only mathematics but languages and other fields that might be unrelated to their chosen area of interest. I don't know...it's a grey area. I'm not advocating cheating but you do have to wonder what motivates even some hard working students to cheat. Is the system itself to blame for expecting too much of them?

For the record, I never have, or ever will resort to cheating, but that's just me. Not in me to do it!

_Bella_

partyatmygaff wrote: »

If you can't report them in school, send an anonymous email to the SEC with the person's name and exam centre.

The competition is fierce and people cheating the other honest, hard-working students out of a college place need to be weeded out.

Its more difficult then just sending an e-mail. The person actually has to be caught cheating, they can't just go off a students report.

Vetton

If people looking to study medicine can't even get through the leaving without cheating, they'll be in for a shock when they go to third level 'cause they won't be able to keep up with the high demands of the course.

I wouldn't do it. Wouldn't that be something that would be stuck on your conscience forever? That, and even the humiliation of getting caught is just wow. Now worth it.

Bears and Vodka

No

Cydoniac wrote: »

Is the system itself to blame for expecting too much of them?

In most cases it's their own laziness than anything else I think.
How hard could it be to learn off a couple of essays extra, especially if it means getting your dream course en-route to your dream job?

Cruel Sun

No

Vetton wrote: »

If people looking to study medicine can't even get through the leaving without cheating, they'll be in for a shock when they go to third level 'cause they won't be able to keep up with the high demands of the course.

I wouldn't do it. Wouldn't that be something that would be stuck on your conscience forever? That, and even the humiliation of getting caught is just wow. Now worth it.

But he is getting away with it and probably won't be caught. He probably will be able to get through college and he'll probably be a highly respected and well paid doctor. He obviously isn't the type of person who has much of a conscience either. This type of cheating really annoys me.

QueenOfLeon

No

You might not take it seriously now until in August, your course is 500* and you miss out on random selection, while the cheater gets in. Even if they're not applying for the same course as you, it could easily affect you indirectly - if this guy is going for medicine, he could push out someone who will take their next option, science/pharmacy etc, which could be the course you want. All the people who work their asses off to get medicine, repeating years and paying thousands to go alternative routes, to be cheated out of their place...

You'd be doing a lot of people a favour if you reported someone for cheating. I don't think anyone cheated in my school, but in another school near us, 2 or 3 girls were found out that year. As far as I know they were reported by fellow students, but their names never came out obviously, so don't worry about other people knowing it was you.

finality

A person in my exam centre has had her phone out under the table for half the exam in at least 3 exams. It's a big room and she's right down the back, in the ideal spot for cheating (ie there are about 6 or 7 people directly between her and the supervisor's seat. He walks around a good bit but she hides the phone.

It seems so easy to cheat but I would never do it, I'd be freaking out, the stress wouldn't be worth it and I'd never know the grade I actually deserved.

I'm not going to report her, I know it's unfair that she might be cheating someone out of a college place but I don't want to absolutely ruin her life or have half the year hate me. I don't think she's going to do that well anyway to be honest.

J_E

No

Vetton wrote: »

If people looking to study medicine can't even get through the leaving without cheating, they'll be in for a shock when they go to third level 'cause they won't be able to keep up with the high demands of the course.

Not exactly fair to say. By the time you reach college you're (hopefully) studying in a field of area that you're actually interested in for the most part, unlike the state exams where you are forced to study Irish (bar being exempt), English Literature, and other areas. Some people may not have the aptitude for languages but may show an excellent aptitude for science. That's the blessing and curse of having such a wide subject range and having to do 6 subjects minimum.

subz3r0 wrote: »

In most cases it's their own laziness than anything else I think.
How hard could it be to learn off a couple of essays extra, especially if it means getting your dream course en-route to your dream job?

Let me ask you a question, do you think a person who rote learns their way through a subject is as deserving of an A as one who actually engages and understands the content? Surely it's the same as saying how hard could it be to cheat a little, to get your dream course. I suppose what I'm going into is another topic completely though, like Dapics says below.

Dapics

Cydoniac wrote: »

Depending on the student, I wouldn't say desperate, probably more worried and stressed that they might not succeed. Sometimes I wonder why more hopefuls for high-points courses like Physiotherapy and Medicine aren't caught cheating, the standards expected of them are somewhat unrealistic given that they have to have a good base on not only mathematics but languages and other fields that might be unrelated to their chosen area of interest. I don't know...it's a grey area. I'm not advocating cheating but you do have to wonder what motivates even some hard working students to cheat. Is the system itself to blame for expecting too much of them?

Well the LC inflicts so much stress on students, i mean for students who want to get 550+ points, its more than likely been all they have been working for all long. Due to the work they put in they would naturally enough be under more expectation to perform.

I can see where they are coming from. I wouldn't report anyone ever, I wouldn't be able to live with myself.
I mean that medicine student has worked so hard for his points, I would say he deserves them more than most people. Therefore I would let him get away with it, as if i would think that any student who wants to do medicine is a very intelligent being who should should be let cheat to a certain degree.

My Opinon. Lets not make this into a LC system discussion. This thread seems to be more about morality

I know this may come across in a bad way, but this is my opinion.

reznov

All of the hard working individuals in my year haven't taken to cheating, regardless of the effort invested. Only one waster was cheating who has done feck all throughout 6th year.

Namlub

If you're cheating, you're not 'working hard for the points'. Cheating is pretty much the antithesis of working and I genuinely don't think 'Oh, but what if he's going for med?' is a viable justification.

QueenOfLeon

No

Cydoniac wrote: »

Depending on the student, I wouldn't say desperate, probably more worried and stressed that they might not succeed. Sometimes I wonder why more hopefuls for high-points courses like Physiotherapy and Medicine aren't caught cheating, the standards expected of them are somewhat unrealistic given that they have to have a good base on not only mathematics but languages and other fields that might be unrelated to their chosen area of interest. I don't know...it's a grey area. I'm not advocating cheating but you do have to wonder what motivates even some hard working students to cheat. Is the system itself to blame for expecting too much of them?

If the Leaving Cert is putting too much pressure on them, they'll get a shock entering university, especially medicine. The content in one semester is more than all the subjects that you have sat for the Leaving Cert, and you had 2 years to prepare, compared to 3/4 months. The majority of it is regurgitating information and not all of it is nice and related to medicine, there are always modules which seem unrelated, or which you won't like, but you have to plough through them anyway and get on with it. If they can't get through the Leaving Cert without feeling like they need to cheat to succeed, they should sit back and figure out if they can handle a university course.

Vetton

Martin_94 wrote: »

But he is getting away with it and probably won't be caught. He probably will be able to get through college and he'll probably be a highly respected and well paid doctor. He obviously isn't the type of person who has much of a conscience either. This type of thing really annoys me.

That's why he should be outed. You really think if the places were the other way about, he wouldn't report someone cheating? If someone with this kind of information doesn't come forward, I hope they understand how little good not speaking up is doing.

J_E

No

QueenOfLeon wrote: »

If the Leaving Cert is putting too much pressure on them, they'll get a shock entering university, especially medicine. The content in one semester is more than all the subjects that you have sat for the Leaving Cert, and you had 2 years to prepare, compared to 3/4 months. The majority of it is regurgitating information and not all of it is nice and related to medicine, there are always modules which seem unrelated, or which you won't like, but you have to plough through them anyway and get on with it. If they can't get through the Leaving Cert without feeling like they need to cheat to succeed, they should sit back and figure out if they can handle a university course.

Fair enough, point taken.

Cruel Sun

No

I'm very surprised at the amount of people who have seen major cheating yet won't report it. Obviously Social Status* and being "Cool" is much more important to most people then "Justice" and "Integrity".

*among peers (popularity)

Togepi

No

Wanchor wrote: »

He let us go on at least at extra 8-10 minutes in the exam.

That's mental, I don't know how some people get away with stuff like this. Like examiners in the orals apparently pausing the tape to explain what they're saying in English, or asking what questions the student wants to be asked, or just giving them a free choice of sraith in Irish. Why would you give some students such an unfair advantage?

Wanchor wrote: »

In contrast, the new dude is a dick. He gives us our paper on the desk and we can't turn it over till the second hand strikes exactly on time.

How is he a "dick"? He's following the rules so that everyone in his centre has the same amount of time to do the exam, which is what every examiner is meant to do. If our one didn't do that I'd start every exam a few minutes late. If your new one is timing it to the second then he couldn't be any fairer.

reznov

But sure, Martin, what will the lads think? You know, the guys who don't really give a **** about education? Or the ones you won't see after school? They're above any sort of morals!

Cruel Sun

No

Vetton wrote: »

That's why he should be outed. You really think if the places were the other way about, he wouldn't report someone cheating? If someone with this kind of information doesn't come forward, I hope they understand how little good not speaking up is doing.

Exactly that's what I'm saying, I think you misunderstood my post. But what you said kind of implied "let em off, sure he won't get anywhere anyway".

Obviously he should be reported, and if it was up to me, he would be.

Dapics

Martin_94 wrote: »

I'm very surprised at the amount of people who have seen major cheating yet won't report it. Obviously "Social Status" and being "Cool" is much more important to most people then "Justice" and "Integrity".

I highly doubt its to do with someones social status or an attempt to fit in.

Anyone who has that approach to the topic would be quite the opposite.

That comment is in a way quite elitist.

Ultimately the reason most people dont bother reporting is because they have better things to be worrying about, they aren't bothered getting preoccupied over one poor misguided student who feels the need to cheat.

ChemHickey

No

I'd feel so guilty cheating. You'd consciously know you have stolen a course from someone else. and for all you know that person might have to repeat, costing them hundreds, thousands if they go to the institute or yeats.

My examiner left me alone in the room for a few minutes today. he went outside to talk to the attendant and closed the door. i was on my own for nearly 5mins! I think he knew I wouldn't dare cheat as I always was last out in my exams. (For the last 20mins of French it was just me and him!)

F9Devil

No

The attending examiner has to see the cheating themselves

Smiley Dave

I know of one person who cheated and I didn't nor am I going to report them. Even if it was my least favourite person in the year I wouldn't report them, it's not worth ruining someone's life over and life's too short for me to worry about things like that.

Cruel Sun

No

Dapics wrote: »

I highly doubt its to do with someones social status or an attempt to fit in.

Anyone who has that approach to the topic would be quite the opposite.

That comment is in a way quite elitist.

Ultimately the reason most people dont bother reporting is because they have better things to be worrying about, they aren't bothered getting preoccupied over one poor misguided student who feels the need to cheat.

I don't see how my previous comment is in any way elitist.

The reason most people don't report cheating is because they don't want to be labelled a "rat" a "fag" or any other stupid name that idiots will put on a person for doing the right thing.

Togepi

No

Namlub wrote: »

If you're cheating, you're not 'working hard for the points'. Cheating is pretty much the antithesis of working and I genuinely don't think 'Oh, but what if he's going for med?' is a viable justification.

I would've thought it almost made it more unfair. The amount of work people do to get into medicine, and this lad could beat someone who's worked their arse off in the hopes of getting a spot. They'd probably either repeat or end up doing four years of college and going into medicine afterwards. Totally unfair.

Hayezer

On the topic of cheating lads, the burning question: Would you sleep with chief examiner person in exchange for 600 points/points you want? If your a guy the examiners a guy, girl the examiners a girl. Discuss.

F9Devil

No

Maybe people would be more willing to report someone cheating if the 6(?) year state exam ban wasn't so outrageously harsh and in fairness life desroying?