Flight Paths (Europe to Asia)

kirving

Hi,

I'm flying from Dublin to Bangkok in just over a weeks time, and I was wondering where I could find a map of where I should be flying over.

I know that routes aren't just as the crow flies, since this would create chaos, and that on a flat map, the most direct route is not infact a straight line.

I'm going from Dublin to Zurich, and then onto Bangkok. I hope you understand what I'm asking for. Like waypoints signifying major air corridors.

Thanks,

Kev

Lustrum

This has me stumped! I can get you a flight plan generated online (God bless those flight sim nerds, they're good for something!) but finding a map to input it into is proving a bit trickier. Hopefully someone else can come up with that as it would be a great tool to have.

Input the ICAO identifiers for the airports here http://www.flightsimaviation.com/_flight_planner.html and this will give you a flight plan with the en-route waypoints

kirving

Thanks, That's pretty much exactly what I was looking for! Minus the map of course, but I can put the co-ordinate list into Excel and then transfer this into Google Maps with a little bit of mesisng about I think.

Lustrum

If it works and you get a map let me know how to do it, good man thanks

Ilyushin76

Who are you flying with? Here is a thai airways flight from Zurich to Bangkok yesterday and the route it flew

Stinicker

try gcmap.com



It is a bit like taking a piece of string and stretching is across the globe. In reality the flight will probably come down over Turkey, Iran and across Northern India. I think Russia charges airlines huge money to overfly their territory and as result alot of Airlines are routed south through the Caucuses, Indian Ocean, Burma and into Bangkok. Finnair have Russian overfly rights and operates more direct services to Hong Kong and mainland China which are quite popular.

Having flown to Bangkok, Kuala Lumpur and Singapore over the last 2 years the planes never take the straightest route and it usually involves flying south of the Himalayas over India.

Lapin

Great Circle Mapper is a handy reference.

EchoIndia

Ilyushin76 wrote: »

Who are you flying with? Here is a thai airways flight from Zurich to Bangkok yesterday and the route it flew

That's only a Great Circle line generated by the website in the absence of a defined flight plan route.

Lustrum

While the great circle mappers are good, they're definitely not accurate as to the route you'll fly, especially over Europe where it's so busy.

Perhaps you could ask on the "Ask the airline pilot" thread, there could be guys in there who have flown the routes and can tell you what way it goes.


PS I still can't find a mapper online for the waypoints, it's taking my mind off the football all evening!

Lustrum

Right I have a map for the first part of the route (you'll have noted by now I appear to have OCD!)

http://www.blitzplan.de/index.php?act=fpl_visualizer

This will give you a map of the flight plan that the other site generates, however it only seems to recognise waypoints in Europe. The other thing it seems to need is a speed and level, so if you just put in "N0270F350" before inputting the abbreviated plan at the bottom of the list of waypoints, it should give you a map, with moving weather and everything!

kirving

Doesn't seem to be working Lustrum.

OK, what I've done so far is take the waypoints from the first link, convert them to columns using "Text-to-Cloumns" in Excel. Then, I removed the N and E from the co-ordinate columns using find/replace in Excel.

I saved just the lats/longs in Excel, and opened up the file using http://www.gpsvisualizer.com/. There are a few sites which will convert a Excel file to a .kml filw which can be saved.

I'll finish the second half of the journey, and post it up in a little while.

Thanks for the help.

EDIT: Using GPS Visualiser, I can get a Google Maps path, but only a series of waypoints in Google Earth. For some reason, Garmin MapSource isn't working which I think would give me a nicer result.

I know that there are a myriad of factors which will influence the flight path, and that the waypoints generated might not be those that are actually used, but it's interesting too see the deviation from the great circle route nonetheless. When I go, I'll leave my phone(in offline mode ) on the windows sill and get a GPS track of where we actually fly.

The image below isn't the best, but the Google Maps waypoint set is a bit better. This map is only temporarily available for anyone who sees this in the future. You can download the attached waypoint set in .xls format and use GPSVisualiser.com to recreate the map yourself.
http://www.gpsvisualizer.com/display/1339449976-12194-109.255.207.52.html

Su Campu

I flew Rome - Bangkok and our route was northern Turkey - northern India, Myanmar.

Here's THA925, currently en route from Munich to Bangkok, and is taking the same route. You can expect the Zurich flight to follow this too.

http://www.flightradar24.com/#!/THA925

highlydebased

Lustrum wrote: »

This has me stumped! I can get you a flight plan generated online (God bless those flight sim nerds, they're good for something!) but finding a map to input it into is proving a bit trickier. Hopefully someone else can come up with that as it would be a great tool to have.

Input the ICAO identifiers for the airports here http://www.flightsimaviation.com/_flight_planner.html and this will give you a flight plan with the en-route waypoints

That link is generally very poor, it only joins the dots and doesn't actually produce something that would really be flown.

If it's Swiss you're flying with then this is a flightplan they used last week:

N0468F330 DEGES Z2 TUNUM UZ209 BIRGI UT23 GRZ UP978 GOTAR UY43 SOGMO UM859 MAVIR UL606 INVED UM747 TALAM/K0861F330 UM747 SOBLO/K0864F330 B143 IDLER/N0469F330 M747 IBERI/N0470F350 M747 LUSAL M11 RODAR/K0872F350 N644 ABDAN B371 LEMOD/N0479F350 N644 DI A466 SAMAR M890 LLK R460 CEA L507 LIMLA/1018

Remarks
REG/HBJMF SEL/DGBR DOF/120601 EET/LOVV0013 EDUU0016 LHCC0045 LRBB0106 UKFV0157 URRV0230 UGGG0250 UBBA0318 UTAK0353 UTAA0416 UTAV0449 OAKX0508 OPLR0545 VIDF0618 VECF0727 VGFR0814 VECF0827 VYYF0840 VTBB0941 RVR/75 RMK/CALLSIGN SWISS DAT/SV RMK/ACAS II EQUIPPED NAV/RNVD1E2A1 RNP10 RNP5 RNP4 RNAV1 RMK/ADSB RMK/AGCS EQUIPPED RMK/ID LX180 RMK/RTE 01 RMK/SEQ10008

Lustrum

Can I ask where you got the flight plan from? Or do you have an online program that can generate a map from that flight plan?

Kevin, when I input this - N0270F330 EIDW SID LIFFY UL975 MALUD UL6 HON UL186 BIG UL9 KONAN UL607 KOK UM150 DIK UN852 GTQ UQ343 BEGAR UN491 TRA STAR LSZH - into the blitzplan.de visauliser box it generates a map connecting the waypoints. Correct me if I'm wrong someone, but it looks fairly ok to me crossing the Irish Sea to Wallesley, then down to the Dover VOR before crossing onto mainland Europe

highlydebased

Lustrum wrote: »

Can I ask where you got the flight plan from? Or do you have an online program that can generate a map from that flight plan?

Kevin, when I input this - N0270F330 EIDW SID LIFFY UL975 MALUD UL6 HON UL186 BIG UL9 KONAN UL607 KOK UM150 DIK UN852 GTQ UQ343 BEGAR UN491 TRA STAR LSZH - into the blitzplan.de visauliser box it generates a map connecting the waypoints. Correct me if I'm wrong someone, but it looks fairly ok to me crossing the Irish Sea to Wallesley, then down to the Dover VOR before crossing onto mainland Europe

I have ways and means!

A typical EIDW-LSZH is N0461F390 PESIT L149 BAKUR UN546 STU UP2 NIGIT UL18 MID UN615 XAMAB UL612 RESMI UL851 MELKO UM606 BLM

A southerly departure

stopthepanic

Don't know if this is any use but I just downloaded 2 google earth overlays from
http://192.206.28.84/Website/ANP%20AERONAUTICAL%20INFORMATION.htm

I got "EUR route UPPER WAYPOINT" and "EUR route UPPER operational"

they are about 3/4 the way down the page, below where there are 2 Google Earth images side by side.

In conjunction with your flight plan you could see your route but it is a mess to look at when you are zoomed out on google earth