World greatest photos

damagegt

there was a thred here that showed world recognised photos but i can remember the name .Could anybody point me in the right direction ?

Rich11

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=63178806

Only looking through it today..... amazing

damagegt

Rich11 wrote: »

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=63178806

Only looking through it today..... amazing

Thats the one.Thanks very much.There is some great stuff alright.Im trying to put together a Hi-res collection of as many of them as I can.

PCPhoto

damagegt wrote: »

Thats the one.Thanks very much.There is some great stuff alright.Im trying to put together a Hi-res collection of as many of them as I can.

are you intent on asking the photographers to provide the image to you ? are you willing to pay them ?

damagegt

Yes, officer of course I am.

.Longshanks.

damagegt wrote: »

Yes, officer of course I am.

damagegt

kev_Longshanks100 wrote: »

Did you ask the photographers to provide permission for the use of that image to you ? Did you pay them ?

Renn

PCPhoto wrote: »

are you intent on asking the photographers to provide the image to you ? are you willing to pay them ?

Can still have a personal hi-res collection surely, no?

PCPhoto

Renn wrote: »

Can still have a personal hi-res collection surely, no?

you can have a personal hi-res collection if the photographer agrees to you having a high-res file ... otherwise its copyright theft !

damagegt

PCPhoto wrote: »

you can have a personal hi-res collection if the photographer agrees to you having a high-res file ... otherwise its copyright theft !

Yes officer.I understand.

Promac

PCPhoto wrote: »

you can have a personal hi-res collection if the photographer agrees to you having a high-res file ... otherwise its copyright theft !

Doesn't that depend on what you do with it?

PCPhoto

Promac wrote: »

Doesn't that depend on what you do with it?

No ... the law is clear that if a photographer takes an image they own the copyright ...any unauthorised usage of that image - is copyright theft ...personal or commercial usage...it doesn't matter.

the only exception that I can think of is using part of the image or using the image as part of a piece of art.

Promac

That would imply that simply viewing it in a web browser is copyright theft as your computer stores a copy of the image locally in order to display it.

PCPhoto

Promac wrote: »

That would imply that simply viewing it in a web browser is copyright theft as your computer stores a copy of the image locally in order to display it.

be my guest and take a legal action ..... but have you read the terms and conditions of updating or using your browser ? have you uploaded an image and read the terms and conditions of the site where you uploaded ? most companies cover themselves legally.... a lot of individuals dont understand or dont care about the law because there is rarely a court case taken and rarely a published conviction (majority settle out of court before going in)

jpb1974

are you intent on asking the photographers to provide the image to you ? are you willing to pay them ?

Is it just me or does anyone else find these sort of questions slightly insulting?

PCPhoto

jpb1974 wrote: »

Is it just me or does anyone else find these sort of questions slightly insulting?

plenty of people will be insulted with a question which implies intent to wrong-do.

its kinda like a garda asking what you are upto if you are just sitting on a wall or driving around (or something else which is mundane) - most people don't take offence to being questioned, some will....it comes down to the manner in which its asked and unfortunately "tone" doesn't come across well in text (or at least my text)

the comment was not meant in a bad way - just more of an effort to ensure that the person knows that it is actually illegal to take someone's image without their permission (or payment), maybe I phrased it wrong, but from the original text there was no mention of seeking to pay or get royalty free images just that the OP wanted to get as many hi-res images together as they can.

lets put it this way - if you were only making money from your images and had an image in the top 100 iconic images in the world ... would you be happy in the knowledge that your image was great and iconic and everyone recognised it...or would you prefer to get some money for every time it was published (online or in print).

I'm very protective of my images and dont put a whole lot online due to the very nature of the fact that people steal images and do not know the law. (or at least my interpretation of the law !! - I could always be wrong.)

jpb1974

its kinda like a garda asking what you are upto

But you're not a Garda.

the comment was not meant in a bad way

For sure, I can appreciate that.

but from the original text there was no mention of seeking to pay or get royalty free images

I think you take your role as a vigilante a bit too far sometimes. Try assuming the positive.

Renn

PCPhoto wrote: »

you can have a personal hi-res collection if the photographer agrees to you having a high-res file ... otherwise its copyright theft !

So if there's the unlucky chance that there is a high-res image online, which I can right-click on and save to my computer, I actually shouldn't do that?

PCPhoto

jpb1974 wrote: »

But you're not a Garda.



For sure, I can appreciate that.



I think you take your role as a vigilante a bit too far sometimes. Try assuming the positive.

I dont consider myself a vigilante - I'm not going out after people who are breaking the law in an effort to stop the crime from happening, all that I'm trying to do is help people understand that it is illegal - a little education helps people learn that its illegal - a LOT of people do not know this and because it is very common for someone to copy/paste or right click and "save as" on an image does not mean that its not breaking the law.....I'm just a photographer who wishes in the long-term that others getting into the business will also try to protect their work and seek compensation from those that use the photographers images without permission.
(you'll have to humour me for this bit as I know people say but a digital image isn't a real thing/tangible object)

if I can ask what you work at ? ... if its any kind of office job ...it would be like someone or multiple people coming into your workplace on a daily basis asking to borrow a pen ... and keeping the pen (just because the electronic image is not tangible the idea/concept is the same) ..... how many times a day would you allow this before you tell the person you need the pen or they cant have it !!

Renn wrote: »

So if there's the unlucky chance that there is a high-res image online, which I can right-click on and save to my computer, I actually shouldn't do that?

you can do it but you shouldn't (in regards to the law) ...it is regarded as copyright theft (unless the photographer has stated they dont mind anyone taking their images and using them whatever way they want)

I'm not stopping anyone from doing it - just making sure that people know that its illegal - in much the same way that downloading music is illegal (without purchasing it or the band allowing a free download).

Promac

It's not illegal to save an image to your hard-drive. There's no legal difference between the hard-drive and the RAM and once you've opened a web-page with images on it you then have a copy of all images on that page - in fact, a lot of images are actually stored on the hard-drive automatically to make the page load faster the next time. If downloading them were illegal then we'd all be criminals just from looking at this website.

Taking the images and doing something commercial with them is a different thing entirely but as far as I can tell here we're just talking about people downloading images to their computers.

Having said all that, if you put images on the internet you cannot reasonably assume that people will not download and use them. If you were a shopkeeper you wouldn't put all your wares out on the street and then walk away expecting them to still be there when you come back. That's not defending anyone who steals from you - it's merely commenting on the foolishness of not protecting your property.

damagegt

No offense Garda but my question have been answered and I think your super powers of criminal assumption are needed else where.Go forth and accuse all who dare cross you off being a hi-res photo bandit.

Get over yourself bud.

Leftyflip

You'd hardly expect a mechanic to fix your car for free, why should you be allowed use someone else's image for free? Just because it's not a physical object doesn't mean it's free.

If anyone needs to get over themselves it's yourself - no need for that kind of attitude when people try explaining common courtesy and copyright.

Promac

Leftyflip wrote: »

You'd hardly expect a mechanic to fix your car for free, why should you be allowed use someone else's image for free? Just because it's not a physical object doesn't mean it's free.

If anyone needs to get over themselves it's yourself - no need for that kind of attitude when people try explaining common courtesy and copyright.

He's perfectly justified in having an attitude when there's people here calling him a criminal for doing something that's perfectly legal. Like I said above, it's completely, 100%, absolutely legal to download an image from the internet. It's not legal to use that image for your own gain. Having it sitting on your hard-drive is not using it for anything other than looking at - which is completely legal.

PCPhoto

Promac wrote: »

It's not illegal to save an image to your hard-drive. There's no legal difference between the hard-drive and the RAM and once you've opened a web-page with images on it you then have a copy of all images on that page - in fact, a lot of images are actually stored on the hard-drive automatically to make the page load faster the next time. If downloading them were illegal then we'd all be criminals just from looking at this website.

Taking the images and doing something commercial with them is a different thing entirely but as far as I can tell here we're just talking about people downloading images to their computers.

Having said all that, if you put images on the internet you cannot reasonably assume that people will not download and use them. If you were a shopkeeper you wouldn't put all your wares out on the street and then walk away expecting them to still be there when you come back. That's not defending anyone who steals from you - it's merely commenting on the foolishness of not protecting your property.

I have to disagree with the highlighted points !! .... as an example... a prosecution on the basis of possession of child porn ... if the images are on the hard drive then by your logic the people cant be prosecuted !

(correct me if I'm wrong)

As regards the second point - you should be able to reasonably assume that someone wont steal your stuff if you leave it in a public place .... but it happens ... and if the person is caught there is usually an attempt at a criminal prosecution (I say an attempt but doesn't always happen).... your point suggests that a person that steals an image can rely on the "finders keepers" defence which is usually inadmissable in court especially as most people do not make a reasonable effort to find the owner.

Promac

PCPhoto wrote: »

I have to disagree with the highlighted points !! .... as an example... a prosecution on the basis of possession of child porn ... if the images are on the hard drive then by your logic the people cant be prosecuted !

(correct me if I'm wrong)

As regards the second point - you should be able to reasonably assume that someone wont steal your stuff if you leave it in a public place .... but it happens ... and if the person is caught there is usually an attempt at a criminal prosecution (I say an attempt but doesn't always happen).... your point suggests that a person that steals an image can rely on the "finders keepers" defence which is usually inadmissable in court especially as most people that take an image take it from the persons website.

Ah come on now. It's illegal to have child porn on your computer because it's child porn - not because someone else took the photo.

And feel free to leave your camera on henry street and see how long it lasts. It would be very nice to believe that there are no criminals in the world and people won't steal your stuff if you leave it lying around but that's not the world we live in and expecting it to be anything else is just foolish.

PCPhoto

you are the one that said "It's not illegal to save an image to your hard-drive"

which by your logic implies that a person in possession of child porn cannot be prosecuted ?

sineadw

PCPhoto wrote: »

you are the one that said "It's not illegal to save an image to your hard-drive"

which by your logic implies that a person in possession of child porn cannot be prosecuted ?

oh for god's sake, we're talking about prosecution for copyright theft. Not child porn.

I'm trying to decide whether to never open this thread again, or wait for someone to call someone hitler..

sNarah

Question has been answered.

For copyright issues, there's *plenty* of threads to go and wade in.

Happy wading...