NCT: ID required

woodchuck · 07-06-2012 1:11pm #1

For the NCT, do I have to go myself or can I get someone else to do it for me? Since I'm on a learner permit I'd need to bring someone else along for the drive anyway, but is it ok to send them alone or would I need to be there too? In the confirmation text I got it says "driver license and vehicle registration doc required", so does that just mean that whoever brings the car has to have a valid license or would I have to give them my learner permit to bring along too?!

Sorry, first timer here

Wishbone Ash · 07-06-2012 2:25pm

There is no requirement for the owner of the vehicle to be present and they don't ask for a driving licence. I think you may be confusing it with the vehicle licencing certificate.

Faith+1 · 07-06-2012 2:33pm

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

There is no requirement for the owner of the vehicle to be present and they don't ask for a driving licence. I think you may be confusing it with the vehicle licencing certificate.

Yes they do. I was asked on the last two occasions I was there. A passport is also accepted.

lac007 · 07-06-2012 2:35pm

I was there with my Wifes car a few weeks ago and I was'nt asked for ID.

padma · 07-06-2012 2:41pm

it's a new rule just brought in to show driving licence

loobylou · 07-06-2012 2:45pm

Driving licence or passport required since May 1st 2012.

Wishbone Ash · 07-06-2012 2:50pm

padma wrote: »

it's a new rule just brought in to show driving licence

loobylou wrote: »

Driving licence or passport required since May 1st 2012.

Apologies - I stand corrected. I didn't know about the new rule.

Is it for ID purposes or to ascertain if you have a valid Driving Licence?

woodchuck · 07-06-2012 3:01pm

loobylou wrote: »

Driving licence or passport required since May 1st 2012.

Thanks for that!

So could I send the OH with the car in my place? If so, would he have to have his own driving license and passport or would I have to give him MY driving license and passport?

Our man in Havana · 07-06-2012 5:03pm

Whoever that brings it in.

The NCT don't give a toss about enforcing laws like unaccompanied driving. They just want to know who brought it in.

Chris_Heilong · 07-06-2012 6:22pm

I got my wife's friend to bring my car up about a year ago as I was snowed under at work, no problems

CiniO · 07-06-2012 8:53pm

loobylou wrote: »

Driving licence or passport required since May 1st 2012.

It was required since way longer than that (I'd say 3 or 4 years)
But maybe some NCT centres just didn't enforce it.

Also I don't think it must be either driving licence or passport. I think it can be any kind of Photo ID. But I might be wrong.

slimjimmc · 07-06-2012 9:07pm

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

Apologies - I stand corrected. I didn't know about the new rule.

Is it for ID purposes or to ascertain if you have a valid Driving Licence?

It's just for ID purposes.

mickdw · 07-06-2012 9:07pm

They want the ID of the person who arrives with the car, owner or not. I think the main reasoning behind this is clamp down on situations where certain dealers are taking in numerous cars and bringing them to the same tester all the time, a tester who may be prepared to do them favours. This way, at least they might see some patern.

slimjimmc · 07-06-2012 9:13pm

CiniO wrote: »

It was required since way longer than that (I'd say 3 or 4 years)
But maybe some NCT centres just didn't enforce it.

Also I don't think it must be either driving licence or passport. I think it can be any kind of Photo ID. But I might be wrong.

The law permits the use of any photo id that the issuing authority (RSA) requires. However I can't find anything to say that the issuing authority requires anything other than a passport/driving licence. Until then, I'd be inclined to read it as saying only a passport/driving licence is currently accepted.

The law:

“required identification” means, in relation to any person submitting a vehicle for testing in accordance with these Regulations, a driving licence or passport, for the time being in force, held by the person or such other photographic identification in respect of the person that the issuing authority may require, from time to time;

CiniO · 07-06-2012 9:39pm

slimjimmc wrote: »

The law permits the use of any photo id that the issuing authority (RSA) requires. However I can't find anything to say that the issuing authority requires anything other than a passport/driving licence. Until then, I'd be inclined to read it as saying only a passport/driving licence is currently accepted.

The law:

OK so. Then just licence or passport.

On my recent NCT I showed my personal ID (Polish) and it was accepted. But surely plenty of people didn't have ID at all, and still it didn't affect anything, so I just assume that fact of them accepting my ID was just their good will, and they could have refused to accept it.

Our man in Havana · 07-06-2012 9:54pm

Doesn't say it has to be an Irish licence or passport.

padma · 07-06-2012 10:46pm

then again while driving your supposed to carry your licence with you so, may as well bring it with you

CiniO · 07-06-2012 11:20pm

Our man in Havana wrote: »

Doesn't say it has to be an Irish licence or passport.

It doesn't, but mine was neither driving licence nor passport.

Sobanek · 08-06-2012 12:20am

CiniO wrote: »

OK so. Then just licence or passport.

On my recent NCT I showed my personal ID (Polish) and it was accepted. But surely plenty of people didn't have ID at all, and still it didn't affect anything, so I just assume that fact of them accepting my ID was just their good will, and they could have refused to accept it.

No, they couldn't refuse. I've been over this matter with Tesco for over a year. They wouldn't shut up until I've sent them a letter from the Polish Embassy.

Our Polish IDs ARE VALID PROOFS OF IDENTITY ALL OVER THE WORLD AND NO ONE HAS A RIGHT TO REFUSE YOU A SALE/SERVICE BECAUSE IT ISN'T IRISH.

wonski · 08-06-2012 1:40am

Sobanek wrote: »

No, they couldn't refuse. I've been over this matter with Tesco for over a year. They wouldn't shut up until I've sent them a letter from the Polish Embassy.

Our Polish IDs ARE VALID PROOFS OF IDENTITY ALL OVER THE WORLD AND NO ONE HAS A RIGHT TO REFUSE YOU A SALE/SERVICE BECAUSE IT ISN'T IRISH.

Ever tried to use it outside of EU? They will laugh at you..

Also applied for provisional license years ago in UK, they do accept it, but you wouldn't want to go that route. Passport makes life easier sometimes.

Polish Embassy isn't regulatory body for irish shop, and - to make it even more interesting - the may refuse selling you anything because they can!
To sum it up - if NCT asked for Driving licence/ Passport they may refuse your id card. If they aked for proof of ID, then they should accept it.
You should have your driving licence anyway, so what is the point to mess around with ID cards??? Don't expect every single person in the world to know what polish ID looks like, or italian ID, or any other really.

woodchuck · 08-06-2012 2:00pm

I was able to get through to them this morning and they said it was fine for someone else to bring the car on my behalf, just that they'd have to bring their own driving license and my log book for the car.

Thanks for all the help guys!

slimjimmc · 08-06-2012 5:18pm

Sobanek wrote: »

No, they couldn't refuse. I've been over this matter with Tesco for over a year. They wouldn't shut up until I've sent them a letter from the Polish Embassy.

Our Polish IDs ARE VALID PROOFS OF IDENTITY ALL OVER THE WORLD AND NO ONE HAS A RIGHT TO REFUSE YOU A SALE/SERVICE BECAUSE IT ISN'T IRISH.

Of course they do, any form of ID can be refused by any person if it's not the form required by the person you're trying to convince. That doesn't make the ID any less valid but it does make it less useful.

The law regarding the NCT clearly states that a passport or driving licence is required, it does not state (that I can see) that any other form of ID is currently permitted.

Our man in Havana · 08-06-2012 9:34pm

Subject to judicial review of course. Which I suspect would be successful.

Dempo1 · 14-06-2012 10:29am

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

There is no requirement for the owner of the vehicle to be present and they don't ask for a driving licence. I think you may be confusing it with the vehicle licencing certificate.

Not quite so, identification in the form of passport or drivers license is required, either will do but I did witness a situation at a NCT centre yesterday 13/06/2012. A chap arrived with his daugters car and they requested her identification as the registered owner of the vehicle, they did accept the fathers identification but on the understanding his daughters identification is presented before the cert would be issued the centre agreed to test the car in advance of recieving the daugthers Identification but could have refused, this occurred at the Tullamore Centre.

slimjimmc · 14-06-2012 11:24am

Dempo1 wrote: »

Not quite so, identification in the form of passport or drivers license is required, either will do but I did witness a situation at a NCT centre yesterday 13/06/2012. A chap arrived with his daugters car and they requested her identification as the registered owner of the vehicle, they did accept the fathers identification but on the understanding his daughters identification is presented before the cert would be issued the centre agreed to test the car in advance of recieving the daugthers Identification but could have refused, this occurred at the Tullamore Centre.

Sound's like they're operating contrary to the regulations:
The statute I previously quoted the requirement for ID only applies to the person submitting the car for the test, with no requirement that that person be the car's owner, so that's not a lawful basis for refusing to do the test.

Also if the car passed, they're required to issue the cert to the person who presented the car (again no requirement for that person to be the owner).

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2003/en/si/0405.html

(3) Where the issuing authority issues a test certificate in respect of a vehicle, it shall deliver it and the test report, as soon as practicable, to the person who presented the vehicle for test.

I haven't found any amendment to this regulation.

Dempo1 · 14-06-2012 11:42am

slimjimmc wrote: »

Sound's like they're operating contrary to the regulations:
The statute I previously quoted the requirement for ID only applies to the person submitting the car for the test, with no requirement that that person be the car's owner, so that's not a lawful basis for refusing to do the test.

Also if the car passed, they're required to issue the cert to the person who presented the car (again no requirement for that person to be the owner).

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2003/en/si/0405.html

I haven't found any amendment to this regulation.

It did seem odd at the time but I am but a humble witness to what occurred, I myself was always under the impression that it was the registered owner of the vehicle who either had to present the car for testing or at the very least had to supply identification matching the registered vehicle owner. To be honest, this doe makes sense. I felt the center was being quite reasonable on the day albeit an amusing experience.

I was at the center early and over the course of an hour at least seven fails with two amusing tantrums. Just for the record, they will accept either a passport or license.

Yakuza · 14-06-2012 2:05pm

wonski wrote: »

Don't expect every single person in the world to know what polish ID looks like, or italian ID, or any other really.

Any EU ID card is legally valid for travel purposes within the EU, and if it's good enough for that (in terms of security etc) then it should be good enough for the NCT. Ireland and the UK are one of the few countries that don't have a national ID card scheme, so authorities fall back on the driving licence or, failing that, the passport as valid ID.

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