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Tyres and NCT: Advice needed

  • 07-06-2012 9:06am
    #1
    Tom Joad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,134 ✭✭✭


    Folks would appreciate your advice on this one.

    Long story short - have NCT coming up on my 3 series BMW(its on runflats). Am trading it in very shortly (have got a really good trade in price but is based on it passing NCT). The car needs 4 new tyres so my options are as follows:

    1. Buy 4 new runflat tyres - costing me €140 a tyre :eek: - don't really want to spend this money when i'll be trading it in soon

    2. Buy 4 new non runflat tyres at a fraction of the costs - but do I also need to buy a spare wheel hub and put a tyre on this? - have got conflicting advice on wether I need a spare to pass NCT.

    3. Buy 4 cheap as chips part worn tyres just to get the NCT - am nervous of this option as I don't like the idea of part worn tyres (that's just based on a gut feeling) - am I wrong about part worn tyres or should I steer clear?

    Would appreciate any advice


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  • #2
    langdang
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,857 ✭✭✭langdang


    Tom Joad wrote: »
    2. Buy 4 new non runflat tyres at a fraction of the costs - but do I also need to buy a spare wheel hub and put a tyre on this? - have got conflicting advice on wether I need a spare to pass NCT.
    If the spare isn't there it's not a fail.
    Took mine off the back cos it was down to the wear lines and passed NCT fine.
    Couldn't have been more obvious that the spare was missing as there was a big dusty patch on the boot door where it should have been!


  • #3
    Anan1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    Will it definitely not pass on the current tyres? AFAIK NCT standards are very lax when it comes to tyres, ie 1.6mm will get you through.


  • #4
    Gurgle
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,064 ✭✭✭Gurgle


    Anan1 wrote: »
    Will it definitely not pass on the current tyres? AFAIK NCT standards are very lax when it comes to tyres, ie 1.6mm will get you through.
    They pass tyres which meet the legal requirements, how is this lax?


  • #5
    Anan1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    Gurgle wrote: »
    They pass tyres which meet the legal requirements, how is this lax?
    Because 1.6mm is dangerously bald. A car could be in urgent need of new tyres and yet still pass the NCT.


  • #6
    Tom Joad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,134 ✭✭✭Tom Joad


    Would be 90% sure that they won't pass - two mechanics have also come to this conclusion independently


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  • #7
    bazz26
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,363 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    How much are the garage allowing you without an NCT?


  • #8
    Tom Joad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,134 ✭✭✭Tom Joad


    bazz26 wrote: »
    How much are the garage allowing you without an NCT?

    not really an option as its a guy i know who mainly imports to order and is giving me a cracking price for it - but is based on it having an NCT otherwise its not worth his while taking it off my hands


  • #9
    biko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Tom Joad wrote: »
    2. Buy 4 new non runflat tyres at a fraction of the costs - but do I also need to buy a spare wheel hub and put a tyre on this? - have got conflicting advice on wether I need a spare to pass NCT.
    Read the manual, p65
    http://www.nct.ie/pdf/nctmanual.pdf
    No mention of internal spare wheel at all so it's not tested.

    But a tube of tyreweld would be handy if you go non-runflat.


  • #10
    Eddie Smart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52 ✭✭Eddie Smart


    imho, I would fit part worn tyres, tested and fitted would cost you up to 160 for the set of four.


  • #11
    jumbone
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 609 ✭✭✭jumbone


    could you borrow wheels to get the nct? surely the new buyer or even seller would spot the need for new tyres. You could even inform the seller after the deal was done.


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  • #12
    Anan1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    jumbone wrote: »
    could you borrow wheels to get the nct? surely the new buyer or even seller would spot the need for new tyres. You could even inform the seller after the deal was done.
    OP agreed with the seller (whom he knows) that the car would have passed the NCT. This means that the car has to be handed over on road-legal tyres. How would you feel if a seller did what you're suggesting to you?


  • #13
    Tom Joad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,134 ✭✭✭Tom Joad


    Anan1 wrote: »
    OP agreed with the seller (whom he knows) that the car would have passed the NCT. This means that the car has to be handed over on road-legal tyres. How would you feel if a seller did what you're suggesting to you?

    Spot on - I'm not trying to pull a fast one - we have an agreement which I'm happy with but don't want to have open wallet surgery either and hence the dilemma


  • #14
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 24,714 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Anan1 wrote: »
    Will it definitely not pass on the current tyres? AFAIK NCT standards are very lax when it comes to tyres, ie 1.6mm will get you through.

    Off course 1.6mm will get you through, its the legal limit. Doesn't matter how bald people think that is its still the legal limit and the NCT cant go failing people for things that are legal, they will give an advisory which is fair enough imo.

    However regardless how bad they are I'd chance it if I were the op, I got a car through before with two tyres that were definitely below the limit (got a cancellation and refused to pay the extortionate local prices for tyres at the time) and I've seen a car pass where the inside quarter of the rear tyre was completely smooth and the inside tyre wall was was gone completely soft, you could almost push a hole in it with your finger.

    If you do have to get tyres op and its a dealer your trading it into garage I would put the cheapest option possible in it, thats what they do themselves. I saw a dealer putting a Chinese crap tyre on an M5 recently now that really took the biscuit.


  • #15
    Anan1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    Ayden Ugly Butter wrote: »
    Off course 1.6mm will get you through, its the legal limit. Doesn't matter how bald people think that is its still the legal limit and the NCT cant go failing people for things that are legal, they will give an advisory which is fair enough imo.
    Nobody's suggesting that they fail people for legal tyres. I said that the 1.6mm standard is lax.

    +1 on putting the car through on its current tyres, it's only a visual retest anyway if it fails.


  • #16
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 24,714 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Anan1 wrote: »
    Nobody's suggesting that they fail people for legal tyres. I said that the 1.6mm standard is lax.

    The standard in most countries is 1.6mm so it must be deemed a sufficiently safe thread depth to reach. I'm not saying the performance is nearly as good but it must be good enough.


  • #17
    Anan1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,815 ✭✭✭✭Anan1


    Ayden Ugly Butter wrote: »
    The standard in most countries is 1.6mm so it must be deemed a sufficiently safe thread depth to reach. I'm not saying the performance is nearly as good but it must be good enough.
    Because it's legal? Plenty of safe things are illegal, and plenty of dangerous things are legal. Don't ever confuse the law with right and wrong. ;)


  • #18
    Tom Joad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,134 ✭✭✭Tom Joad


    Anan1 wrote: »
    +1 on putting the car through on its current tyres, it's only a visual retest anyway if it fails.

    Ah ok thanks for that - if its a visual only will put it through and see what they say.

    thanks to everyone for their input :)


  • #19
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 23,339 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'd be surprised if all four of them were 1.6mm or below :)
    Defo worth throwing it in as is.


  • #20
    Nissan doctor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,223 ✭✭✭Nissan doctor


    Ayden Ugly Butter wrote: »
    The standard in most countries is 1.6mm so it must be deemed a sufficiently safe thread depth to reach. I'm not saying the performance is nearly as good but it must be good enough.


    1.6mm is the legal minimum allowable thread depth but 3.0mm is the industry standard minimum limit for safety. Below 3.0mm the tyres drop out of their designed grip levels.

    Hence why the NCT have the option of giving an advisory for any tyres less then 3.0mm.


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