No Bins in kilbarry nature park

stargirl.gra

ABOLUTLY DISGRACEFUL not ONE bin in the new kilbarry nature park.had to carry a bag of poo for two km. and watch wont be long till the place is covered in sh!t and all the complainers are on Billy mc Carthy making us dog owners look like the devil. Very annoyed.

Adyx

Should have gone before you left home then.

Smiley Burnett

stargirl.gra wrote: »

ABOLUTLY DISGRACEFUL not ONE bin in the new kilbarry nature park.had to carry a bag of poo for two km. and watch wont be long till the place is covered in sh!t and all the complainers are on Billy mc Carthy making us dog owners look like the devil. Very annoyed.

The council should definitely put in dog-poo bins, but SHOULD NOT put in litter bins. There are no litter bins in Walton Park, Dungarvan and it is generally very clean and tidy. As funny as it may seem, experience shows that litter bins tend to add to the litter problem rather than solve it!!

MitchKoobski

stargirl.gra wrote: »

ABOLUTLY DISGRACEFUL not ONE bin in the new kilbarry nature park.had to carry a bag of poo for two km.

bahahahahaha

mathepac

Smiley Burnett wrote: »

The council ... SHOULD NOT put in litter bins. There are no litter bins in Walton Park, Dungarvan and it is generally very clean and tidy. As funny as it may seem, experience shows that litter bins tend to add to the litter problem rather than solve it!!

Ridiculous. The reasons this happens are because the lazy councils / council employees won't

• empty the bins
• police the disposal of domestic waste in bins that are in place.

This same stupid argument was used when the mickey-mouse lay-bys were installed on the new motorways. Now the lay-bys are mini rubbish-tips with paper coffee-cups, drink bottles & cans, and plastic bags of other detritus scattered all over the verges and the carriageways themselves. The councils' / NRA response? Hire private contractors to undertake the dangerous work of retrieving the rubbish from the hard-shoulders and medians of our meagre motorways. I'd love to see the spineless county-managers and councillors doing this work, it might open their eyes.

Daffodil.d

Smiley Burnett wrote: »

stargirl.gra wrote: »

ABOLUTLY DISGRACEFUL not ONE bin in the new kilbarry nature park.had to carry a bag of poo for two km. and watch wont be long till the place is covered in sh!t and all the complainers are on Billy mc Carthy making us dog owners look like the devil. Very annoyed.

The council should definitely put in dog-poo bins, but SHOULD NOT put in litter bins. There are no litter bins in Walton Park, Dungarvan and it is generally very clean and tidy. As funny as it may seem, experience shows that litter bins tend to add to the litter problem rather than solve it!!

Kennedy park has them. I know that is a pay to enter park and this is supposed to be a low maintenance park but there is no such thing when there is that much human traffic passing through. Even if they had a couple of bins it would make a difference. There wasn't One!Not just for dog owners either. What stargirl said is true. Watch this space in a few weeks there will be complaints made.Dog owners will end up gettin the brunt of It.

cocoshovel

Why are you complaining to us about it then? Christ almightly, do you want us to go put bins there for you?

stargirl.gra

Oh wow cocoshovel and here was I looking down through waterford city boards seeing complaints about many many things, people getting their points across and say wanting to see the likes of the tall ships back here and getting tourism boosted and complaints about how crap our town is. I for one am a big waterford fan, i want jobs kept here, i want tourism here so I complain because something new that has opened which is a nice thing and a good thing for this town is already at the risk of being destroyed by dog faeces. I'm trying to raise awareness that it's a disgrace. people are allowed come on here and complain till the cows come home when they stand in sh!t but we're not allowed complain when we want to prevent it. We get a few smart alec posts and then a b!tchy one.

mike65

http://www.waterfordcity.ie/contact/index.htm

Daffodil.d

cocoshovel wrote: »

Why are you complaining to us about it then? Christ almightly, do you want us to go put bins there for you?[/QuotThis is a forum to discuss local topics, including complaints and praise and opinions?The results of which somebody has kindly pointed us in the right direction as to the people who can help us get the lack of bin situation rectified.
This is not a forum for people to be smart arses.

Smiley Burnett

mathepac wrote: »

Ridiculous. The reasons this happens are because the lazy councils / council employees won't

• empty the bins
• police the disposal of domestic waste in bins that are in place.

This same stupid argument was used when the mickey-mouse lay-bys were installed on the new motorways. Now the lay-bys are mini rubbish-tips with paper coffee-cups, drink bottles & cans, and plastic bags of other detritus scattered all over the verges and the carriageways themselves. The councils' / NRA response? Hire private contractors to undertake the dangerous work of retrieving the rubbish from the hard-shoulders and medians of our meagre motorways. I'd love to see the spineless county-managers and councillors doing this work, it might open their eyes.

Good man!! So it's the council workers who are lazy, and not the people who are too dirty/lazy to dispose of their OWN RUBBISH//WASTE? ?!!!

abouttobebanned

Three threads about the nature park? These mods are getting money for jam. Where's the nature park mega-thread?! I love a good mega thread.

Birdfood

It's common for Nature Reserves not to have any bins, they have have a simple take nothing and leave nothing ethos, have come across this in nature parks in many countries

jimbojazz

The sister was out there earlier on and some old lad came up to her with a lump of dog sh!t in his hand and said "look what I nearly stepped in" Absolutely disgraceful

Dan133269

jimbojazz wrote: »

The sister was out there earlier on and some old lad came up to her with a lump of dog sh!t in his hand and said "look what I nearly stepped in" Absolutely disgraceful

Jaysush Chrisht! And that's what I paid my household charge for!

old gregg

Birdfood wrote: »

It's common for Nature Reserves not to have any bins, they have have a simple take nothing and leave nothing ethos, have come across this in nature parks in many countries

Agree and have seen it myself in many countries. Sadly, this is Ireland and that ethos does not generally apply. People are happy to be walked on and sh1t where they sleep.

mathepac

Smiley Burnett wrote: »

Good man!! So it's the council workers who are lazy, and not the people who are too dirty/lazy to dispose of their OWN RUBBISH//WASTE? ?!!!

Good man yourself. A shame to see you and your cosy little coterie of acolytes don't read well. Be careful not to litter the thread with exclamation marks.

ex_infantry man

if it is a nature park as such then you would hardly give a fox or whatever be hanging around there a pooper scooper or stick nappies on wildlife in the said nature park! Poop where ya want its not dangerous to the environment, the way people are these days they may as well wrap themselves in bubble wrap or not go outside there front door in fear of threading on crap, next ye will be complaining about the rain in the park and that they should put a roof on it

Birdfood

ex_infantry man wrote: »

if it is a nature park as such then you would hardly give a fox or whatever be hanging around there a pooper scooper or stick nappies on wildlife in the said nature park! Poop where ya want its not dangerous to the environment, the way people are these days they may as well wrap themselves in bubble wrap or not go outside there front door in fear of threading on crap, next ye will be complaining about the rain in the park and that they should put a roof on it

That's a ridiculous statement. Not cleaning up your dog's waste is totally ignorant, not to mention dangerous for children, and there's no excuse for it. People shouldn't get dogs at all if they can't accept the responsibility that comes with them.

cocoshovel

It think some people missed my point.Boards.ie can hardly do much about the part having to bins. Make a complaint to the council or whoever runs the park or suggest it to them.

stargirl.gra

Was on to the council as I had made a complaint ever before I raised the subject here, anyway they told me that bins and poo bag dispensers are due to be placed in the park.

wellboytoo

stargirl.gra wrote: »

Was on to the council as I had made a complaint ever before I raised the subject here, anyway they told me that bins and poo bag dispensers are due to be placed in the park.

There ya are now, plain and simple and no reason for anyone to get their knickers in a twist, so back to world peace......

comeraghs

Is the OP serious?

Pick up your rubbish & take it home with you? It's not that hard.

Some gob****es won't clear up after their dogs/kids/themselves no matter how many bins are around, sad but true.

Bins should be in the car-park but not in the park itself so animals don't kill themselves rooting through them. EASY!

stargirl.gra

Yes comeraghs the bins should be in the car park but they arent and so superquinn has the nearest bin. So anyone trying to make an effort to clean and take their dog poo away is being hindered by no bins.

Potential-Monke

There shouldn't be dog poo bins anywhere, why should my taxes/charges go to cleaning up after someones dog? I'm not trying to start anything here, but if you want to take your dog for a walk you should be willing to carry it's waste home with you. I could never understand why the council should pay for people who are too posh to carry their dogs waste around...

Maybe it's just me...

And just to make the post a tad crazy, if i get a pet snake, and bring it around for walks/slithers, and it sheds it skin, should the council now place Snake Skin bins in places????

anbodhran

Not sure where I stand on this. Do we want a proper nature park or not?

If we want a genuine nature park, then bins for animal waste or otherwise shouldn't be a feature. Animals will leave manure behind them - that's natural.

If we want a glorified nature park which is actually a urban park with swings and slides, then they should push ahead with the poop bins.

nkay1985

The reality of all this is that dogs are welcome in the new park and a natural consequence of this is dog waste. It is a nature park but, for those of you that haven't been there yet, it has a number of tarmac paths for walking around and through it. If a dog goes to the toilet on one of these, it should be picked up by the dog's owner. You can be guaranteed that if this wasn't done, we'd have someone on here creating a thread about how disgraceful it is that our lovely new park is defaced by dog waste and that all dogs should be put down or something ridiculous like that.

It's not a ludicrous suggestion that there should be a couple of bins in the park for conscientious dog owners to dispose of the waste, keeping the park lovely and clean for all of us. Thankfully, it seems the council agree with this and are going to install bins. I only hope that it's done sooner rather than later as I always think it's better to start as you mean to go on.

letsbet

Potential-Monke wrote: »

There shouldn't be dog poo bins anywhere, why should my taxes/charges go to cleaning up after someones dog? I'm not trying to start anything here, but if you want to take your dog for a walk you should be willing to carry it's waste home with you. I could never understand why the council should pay for people who are too posh to carry their dogs waste around...

In that case why put bins anywhere? We should all carry our own rubbish home! Also some people who own dogs pay for a dog licence so if anyone is paying for it it shouldn't be your taxes and charges, they can take it out of the licence fee. People who pay that and are willing to pick up their dog's $hite at least deserve a bin here and there to do so and people should focus on those who don't bother picking up after their dogs at all.

Daffodil.d

I don't own a dog and never will but If someone who owns a dog is conscientious enough to bring litter bags and willing to clean up after their dog they shouldn't be chastised for wanting a bin to put it in. There is nothing worse than rolling a buggy on a ****e covered path. As previous posters said, one out by the car park and maybe with a heavyish animal proof lid to stop small animals hurting themselves rooting for food (I am thinking foxes);-)

Potential-Monke

letsbet wrote: »

In that case why put bins anywhere? We should all carry our own rubbish home! Also some people who own dogs pay for a dog licence so if anyone is paying for it it shouldn't be your taxes and charges, they can take it out of the licence fee. People who pay that and are willing to pick up their dog's $hite at least deserve a bin here and there to do so and people should focus on those who don't bother picking up after their dogs at all.

Well if the money for the bins and upkeep/emptying of the bins is taken from the dog licence revenue, then i'm 100% on board with putting them there. But more than likely, it's not, as i believe it is used to keep the dog warden in a job and the pounds open (i am open to correction on this).

Kracken

Its a nature park, for nature... not litter stick in your pocket and bring it home you lazy so and so.... respect nature...

Booohoo... you had to carry dog pooh in a bag.... It was in a bag! Bags were ivented for carrying things...

If you have a dog you clean up after it... period... Stop ruining public places with overflowing rubbish bins and actually contribute to society rather than leech from it....

We get very few things in Waterford, stop moaning and enjoy the fact that we have a beautiful park...

nkay1985

Kracken wrote: »

Its a nature park, for nature... not litter stick in your pocket and bring it home you lazy so and so.... respect nature...

Booohoo... you had to carry dog pooh in a bag.... It was in a bag! Bags were ivented for carrying things...

If you have a dog you clean up after it... period... Stop ruining public places with overflowing rubbish bins and actually contribute to society rather than leech from it....

We get very few things in Waterford, stop moaning and enjoy the fact that we have a beautiful park...

You have got to be trolling! If it's a nature park for nature, why are there Tarmac paths everywhere? If you're all about nature, why not leave dog excrement all over the place as that's natural? Would you have any problem with this?

And where the fcuk do you get off saying that someone's leeching from society?

Also, I don't know I'd you've ever seen a bin for dog waste but they usually have covers on them and are quite small so people can't use them for their domestic waste, which is a problem with bigger bins. If these, or any, public bins are to overflow, that's the council's fault. Do you have a problem with them having bins in John Roberts Square and on the streets of Waterford? Have you ever thrown a coffee cup or the wrapper from a chocolate bar or anything in any of these bins? If so, why didn't you bring these home with you?

Kracken

nkay1985 wrote: »

You have got to be trolling! If it's a nature park for nature, why are there Tarmac paths everywhere? If you're all about nature, why not leave dog excrement all over the place as that's natural? Would you have any problem with this?

And where the fcuk do you get off saying that someone's leeching from society?

Also, I don't know I'd you've ever seen a bin for dog waste but they usually have covers on them and are quite small so people can't use them for their domestic waste, which is a problem with bigger bins. If these, or any, public bins are to overflow, that's the council's fault. Do you have a problem with them having bins in John Roberts Square and on the streets of Waterford? Have you ever thrown a coffee cup or the wrapper from a chocolate bar or anything in any of these bins? If so, why didn't you bring these home with you?

No I am not trolling, i am angry at peoples selfishness, every day on my street countless number of waterford people walk their dogs and let them crap everywhere, there is even bins they can use but they are so narrow minded that they won't even clean up after them.

Never mind the fact that I have more than dozen occassion seen people dump rubbish less than 5 yards away from an empty bin. They can even be bothered to walk a few feet to put it in it.

The nature pack has tarmac to serve a dual purpose, give the people a park to enjoy, whilst allowing enough flora to allow wild-life to provail.

I routine go on collection days along millers march, down past the tramore round walkway... picking up rubbish, so I have actually earned the right to give out about people's laziness.

My parents walk their dog and bring plastic bags with them to clean up any excrement to bring home and bin... All it takes is a little effort, something this city has seemed to have forgotten.

I bring a bag with me to carry my own rubbish, if i can do why can't others?

Has society gotten so bad that a little thought and caring about the environment is too much?

beazee

Kracken wrote: »

i am angry at peoples selfishness, every day on my street countless number of waterford people walk their dogs and let them crap everywhere, there is even bins they can use but they are so narrow minded that they won't even clean up after them.

So where is your problem with responsible dog owner, scooping dog poops and asking for at least one bin in the car park she can dispose the poop bag into?

Sorry mate, poop bags may be scented alone but once you scoop the load in they stink. 2 km loop around the park + another 1km to the nearest bin in Superquinn car park is too much smell to handle. Why not meet halfway? At Kilbarry Nature Park Car Park?

Kracken wrote: »

Stop ruining public places with overflowing rubbish bins

Now, that is Waterford City Management issue not the people using bins for what they were put for.

Kracken

beazee wrote: »

Sorry mate, poop bags may be scented alone but once you scoop the load in they stink. 2 km loop around the park + another 1km to the nearest bin in Superquinn car park is too much smell to handle. Why not meet halfway? At Kilbarry Nature Park Car Park?

Fair point, but I think its part of the responsiblity of owning a dog, I have a daughter, if she poops her nappy, we bag it up and bring it with us. They stink the same...


[QUOTE=beazee;79077191Now, that is Waterford City Management issue not the people using bins for what they were put for.[/QUOTE]

You and I both know that nothing is ever going to be done about that, so unfortunately, we have to step up and deal with it... That's why I will always do what I feel is necessary to reduce my impact on parks and civic amenties...

beazee

Kracken wrote: »

I have a daughter, if she poops her nappy, we bag it up and bring it with us.

Once I am made aware he pooped his nappy I can decide whether change him on the spot, wait until I get to the car park and change him in the car or just wait another 15min and change him comfortably at home.

Not really a choice dog owners have. It's just - bang! - deal with it!
Puppy left me no choice pooping in the middle of pedestrian crossing.
Once I got back on the next green with bag in my hand there was nothing to scoop. Sorry, Bro, I have sinned.

Kracken

beazee wrote: »

Once I am made aware he pooped his nappy I can decide whether change him on the spot, wait until I get to the car park and change him in the car or just wait another 15min and change him comfortably at home.

Not really a choice dog owners have. It's just - bang! - deal with it!
Puppy left me no choice pooping in the middle of pedestrian crossing.
Once I got back on the next green with bag in my hand there was nothing to scoop. Sorry, Bro, I have sinned.

This is true, but will dogs you are aware that they can go anywhere, certainly there are places where safety overrides the situation.

But if you have a dog and you walk it in public you have certain responsiblites and just because there are no bins mean you have to bring it with you. You can always double bag etc., but none the less, it is still a responbility...

beazee

Kracken wrote: »

But if you have a dog and you walk it in public you have certain responsiblites and just because there are no bins mean you have to bring it with you. You can always double bag etc., but none the less, it is still a responbility...

It is my responsibility which I am aware of and take upon me when walking my wife's dog. Full stop.

But wouldn't it be nice if the corporation used some of household charge* money to finance one (1) dog poo bin in the public park car park?

*Revenues from the household charge will support the provision of local services. Internationally, local services are administered by local authorities and financed by local service charges. In Ireland, local authorities are responsible for, among other services, public parks; libraries; open spaces and leisure amenities; planning and development; fire and emergency services; maintenance and cleaning of streets and street lighting. These facilities benefit everyone.
https://www.householdcharge.ie/Faq.aspx#fk7

Kracken

beazee wrote: »

It is my responsibility which I am aware of and take upon me when walking my wife's dog. Full stop.

But wouldn't it be nice if the corporation used some of household charge* money to finance one (1) dog poo bin in the public park car park?

*Revenues from the household charge will support the provision of local services. Internationally, local services are administered by local authorities and financed by local service charges. In Ireland, local authorities are responsible for, among other services, public parks; libraries; open spaces and leisure amenities; planning and development; fire and emergency services; maintenance and cleaning of streets and street lighting. These facilities benefit everyone.
https://www.householdcharge.ie/Faq.aspx#fk7

I agree with the household charge, as such I have already contact John Halligan TD and he will be putting a question to Minister Hogan in the Dail with regards to the specific amounts of monies to be received by Waterford City Council.

However, without a doubt I can pretty much say that Minister Hogan will find some way of avoiding the question.... But the question has been asked none the less...

spankmemunkey

stargirl.gra wrote: »

ABOLUTLY DISGRACEFUL not ONE bin in the new kilbarry nature park.had to carry a bag of poo for two km. and watch wont be long till the place is covered in sh!t and all the complainers are on Billy mc Carthy making us dog owners look like the devil. Very annoyed.

Sure its a dump anyway, old habbits die hard!

Finnbar01

spankmemunkey wrote: »

Sure its a dump anyway, old habbits die hard!

What do you mean? Have you being there?

wolverette

I was well impressed with the nature park and the kids enjoyed themselves, we will be coming back again. I found the park very clean with the exception of small amounts of dog poo. All dog owners that I encountered today had doggy bags and were using them so its only a small few who don't clean up after. I have to say I was a little worried that not all dog owners had their pets on leads thought! Saying that I would strongly recommend all to visit and make up your own minds. Great for all the family and the sporty type!

mickmcl09

I own 2 dogs and to be honest I couldn't give a hoot if there's a bin about, just pull out a bag, pick it up and if it has to be brought in the car until I get to a bin or get home, so be it. Suck it up. As a nation we don't have the resources to put bins at every corner and lay by and even if we did, would they be serviced/emptied properly/enough.

I actually agree with the 'no bins' idea and I've seen the benefits first hand. In 4 different supermarkets/forecourts that I've worked in, I removed the bins from outside and kept one inside the door near the convenience area, people tend to use it for wrappers from ice cream and chocolate. 3.5 hours less cleaning a week and one less bin lift and a cleaner car park and forecourt. Saving me almost €2k per store.

If you put bins, even in the car park at the nature park, people just empty their car of the 'McDonalds bag', the bin fills up and overflows and then you have an issue.

Not having bins in the park wont make any difference to the dog **** issue.

ex_infantry man

its official in the munster express this weeks edition that the council are definately not placing bins or toilets in the park and that people using the park will have to just take there rubbish home

Psychedelic

ex_infantry man wrote: »

its official in the munster express this weeks edition that the council are definately not placing bins or toilets in the park and that people using the park will have to just take there rubbish home

Not according to WLR:

People of Waterford have embraced new Nature Park

The 50 acre park in Kilbarry was officially opened by the President at the start of the month and its first week has been very successful. Labour councillor Seamus Ryan raised the issue of rubbish with Director of Services Colette Byrne. She said that bins will be installed in the car park, but will not be situated throughout the park.Instead, she appealed for people using the park to keep their rubbish with them and use the bins at the entrance to the park.Fine Gael's Tom Cunningham was concerned about parking. Colette Byrne explained that the small car park will be open to the public in conjunction with the Kingfisher Club Sports Complex opening hours. These are 6.30am to 10.30pm Monday to Friday and 9am to 6pm on Saturday and Sunday. The council does not plan to install public toilets in the park at this time, due to budget constraints.

http://www.wlrfm.com/news-and-sport/waterford-news/153803-people-of-waterford-have-embraced-new-nature-park.html

longshanks

Leave nothing behind but your footprints.

It's a good policy.

wellboytoo

This thread is a load of sh1t