English Paper 1 question

leaveiton

Just a quick question I was wondering about today. If one of the part B questions is a speech, is there anything stopping you doing a longer speech then as the composition? Like, for example, the 2009 paper:

Text 2 part B: "Write a short speech in which you attempt to persuade a group of parents that older teenagers should be trusted to make their own decisions."

Composition: "Write a persuasive speech in praise of science and technology."

I can't think of any reason why you couldn't do the two but just making sure it's not sort of frowned upon or something. Probably a stupid question but thought I'd ask anyway :pac:

PictureFrame

leaveiton wrote: »

Just a quick question I was wondering about today. If one of the part B questions is a speech, is there anything stopping you doing a longer speech then as the composition? Like, for example, the 2009 paper:

Text 2 part B: "Write a short speech in which you attempt to persuade a group of parents that older teenagers should be trusted to make their own decisions."

Composition: "Write a persuasive speech in praise of science and technology."

I can't think of any reason why you couldn't do the two but just making sure it's not sort of frowned upon or something. Probably a stupid question but thought I'd ask anyway :pac:

Absolutely not! :P Whatever you're most comfortable with!

Canard

I cant see why there would be, people will do it and they've given the choice.

leaveiton

Yeah I really couldn't imagine why not, just sort of one of those last minute panic things I suppose :pac:

PictureFrame

Just to invade your thread leaveiton, sorry :P

What do people think of maybe having 4/5 storylines premediated for the short story option? Not essays or anything like that, but just scenarios and settings and that just to have incase the opportunity arose to fit one in somewhere? I was thinking of trying to get nice descriptions etc. for :

• Love- Scene of love etc.
• War
• Traumatic Event
• Something Supernatual?

silversky

leaveiton wrote: »

Just a quick question I was wondering about today. If one of the part B questions is a speech, is there anything stopping you doing a longer speech then as the composition? Like, for example, the 2009 paper:

Text 2 part B: "Write a short speech in which you attempt to persuade a group of parents that older teenagers should be trusted to make their own decisions."

Composition: "Write a persuasive speech in praise of science and technology."

I can't think of any reason why you couldn't do the two but just making sure it's not sort of frowned upon or something. Probably a stupid question but thought I'd ask anyway :pac:

Be careful on this one.

My teacher warned my class about that. She said when it comes to speeches and the like, which come up in both QB and the composition part- not to do both. It comes across like you can only do one type of question- it depends on the examiner but you could lose marks.

My advice if you're really good at speeches do the speech in the composition, and do something different in QB (radio speech, interview?) as obviously the composition is worth a large chunk of your percentage, you wouldn't want to lose out.

I know some people will rubbish this comment but just watch out- you need to show you're versatile.

Bears and Vodka

PictureFrame wrote: »

Just to invade your thread leaveiton, sorry :P

What do people think of maybe having 4/5 storylines premediated for the short story option? Not essays or anything like that, but just scenarios and settings and that just to have incase the opportunity arose to fit one in somewhere?
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It is a good idea, especially if you are prone to mental blocks when doing creative writing. I have about three scenarios prepared for the short story. If they don't fit in, well, it's gonna be an adventurous paper

leaveiton

silversky wrote: »

Be careful on this one.

My teacher warned my class about that. She said when it comes to speeches and the like, which come up in both QB and the composition part- not to do both. It comes across like you can only do one type of question- it depends on the examiner but you could lose marks.

My advice if you're really good at speeches do the speech in the composition, and do something different in QB (radio speech, interview?) as obviously the composition is worth a large chunk of your percentage, you wouldn't want to lose out.

I know some people will rubbish this comment but just watch out- you need to show you're versatile.

Yeah, that's exactly what I'd be afraid of! I'm going to avoid doing both if possible anyway, I actually prefer personal essays but if the speech title suits me better I tend to do that. I was just wondering in case I was stuck with a situation where nothing but a speech in part B and a speech in the composition suited me.

ChemHickey

PictureFrame wrote: »

Just to invade your thread leaveiton, sorry :P

What do people think of maybe having 4/5 storylines premediated for the short story option? Not essays or anything like that, but just scenarios and settings and that just to have incase the opportunity arose to fit one in somewhere? I was thinking of trying to get nice descriptions etc. for :

• Love- Scene of love etc.
• War
• Traumatic Event
• Something Supernatual?

It's better not to have any prepared. It'd be. easier to spontaneously write in the place of trying to remember what happens next in a story you have prewritten.

I've said it once, and I'll say it again, Freshness is paramount to Purpose.

deathbythelc

ChemHickey wrote: »

It's better not to have any prepared. It'd be. easier to spontaneously write in the place of trying to remember what happens next in a story you have prewritten.

I've said it once, and I'll say it again, Freshness is paramount to Purpose.

But at the same time, if you have a complete mental block and you have a plot thought up before, it could save you.

I'd say don't have an essay learnt off but having a few different plots prepared, just in case, won't go against you. (In my opinion. :P)

ChemHickey

deathbythelc wrote: »

But at the same time, if you have a complete mental block and you have a plot thought up before, it could save you.

I'd say don't have an essay learnt off but having a few different plots prepared, just in case, won't go against you. (In my opinion. :P)

Haha I agree as well!!

I don't count this as hypocrisy, more of a really annoying idea in my mind that won't leave me alone... I do have a storyline in my head... but not on purpose!! I swear! It just won't leave my brain! And i'm more worried that if it doesn't fit my brain will probably just go

Hey, that was a waste of an idea

and then just go into meltdown...

I hope it fits...

#Kind-of-a-Hypocrite

dovahkiin

ChemHickey wrote: »

It's better not to have any prepared. It'd be. easier to spontaneously write in the place of trying to remember what happens next in a story you have prewritten.

I've said it once, and I'll say it again, Freshness is paramount to Purpose.

Just because you sound smart by saying it doesn't make it true, I'm naturally good and English but couldn't be arsed learning essays off, it's more than likely there's some clown in the institute with no hands and crippling dyslexia who'll do better than me because he learned ****e off.

ChemHickey

dovahkiin wrote: »

ChemHickey wrote: »

It's better not to have any prepared. It'd be. easier to spontaneously write in the place of trying to remember what happens next in a story you have prewritten.

I've said it once, and I'll say it again, Freshness is paramount to Purpose.

Just because you sound smart by saying it doesn't make it true, I'm naturally good and English but couldn't be arsed learning essays off, it's more than likely there's some clown in the institute with no hands and crippling dyslexia who'll do better than me because he learned ****e off.

Cool story bro, tell it again?

dovahkiin

ChemHickey wrote: »

Cool story bro, tell it again?

If you post something stupid expect to get called out on it

finality

dovahkiin wrote: »

If you post something stupid expect to get called out on it

Seriously, there's no need to be so antagonistic. We're all stressed about the exams and it's really unnecessary.

ChemHickey

dovahkiin wrote: »

ChemHickey wrote: »

Cool story bro, tell it again?

If you post something stupid expect to get called out on it

How was it stupid, I ask?

leaveiton

dovahkiin wrote: »

Just because you sound smart by saying it doesn't make it true, I'm naturally good and English but couldn't be arsed learning essays off, it's more than likely there's some clown in the institute with no hands and crippling dyslexia who'll do better than me because he learned ****e off.

Probably inappropriate but I pissed myself laughing at this part.

dovahkiin

finality wrote: »

Seriously, there's no need to be so antagonistic. We're all stressed about the exams and it's really unnecessary.

Why does everyone here have such thin skin? Not everyone is going to agree with you all the time.

ChemHickey wrote: »

How was it stupid, I ask?

People learn essays off by heart and do well all the time, places like the IOE are built on that principle, of course it's possible to do well by making it up on the day but your little aphorism over simplifies the situation.

leaveiton wrote: »

Probably inappropriate but I pissed myself laughing at this part.

Glad someone here appreciates me

finality

dovahkiin wrote: »

Why does everyone here have such thin skin? Not everyone is going to agree with you all the time.

Lol I've used that exact line myself in the past. A little diplomacy goes a long way though.

imelle

yeah i wondered the same thing myself, the examiner might frown upon it but at the same time i don't think they're meant to because they have to mark the question you write for what it is, they can't deduct marks because it's your second speech, the option is there to do both so there's no reason why you can't

dovahkiin

finality wrote: »

Lol I've used that exact line myself in the past. A little diplomacy goes a long way though.

I appreciate that but my way is more fun

Canard

Actually you look stupid and no one's laughing, but if that floats your boat, go for it.

Wesc.

dovahkiin wrote: »

People learn essays off by heart and do well all the time, places like the IOE are built on that principle, of course it's possible to do well by making it up on the day but your little aphorism over simplifies the situation.

Since when have the IOE ever done that? I know 2 people in it who do honours English ( and did a revision course there myself) and the IOE in no way hand out sample essays for people to learn by heart. The IOE are certainly not built on that principal at all, and I highly doubt you've ever actually been there to back up such a ridiculous statement.

Some people. :rolleyes:

leaveiton

I JUST WANTED TO ASK A QUESTION

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUFT35S7Jb4

dovahkiin

Patchy~ wrote: »

Actually you look stupid and no one's laughing, but if that floats your boat, go for it.

What if I only look stupid to stupid people?

Wesc. wrote: »

Since when have the IOE ever done that? I know 2 people in it who do honours English ( and did a revision course there myself) and the IOE in no way hand out sample essays for people to learn by heart. The IOE are certainly not built on that principal at all, and I highly doubt you've ever actually been there to back up such a ridiculous statement.

Some people. :rolleyes:

Let's all highlight random words so it looks like we have points to make

Wesc.

dovahkiin wrote: »

Let's all highlight random words so it looks like we have points to make

You're still wrong...

finality

dovahkiin wrote: »

What if I only look stupid to stupid people?

Yay we're in primary school again

dovahkiin

Wesc. wrote: »

You're still wrong...

I know three people that go there who are all learning things off

3>2 I win

Wesc.

dovahkiin wrote: »

I know three people that go there who are all learning things off

3>2 I win

Ah ok, so because 3 of your friends who go there are learning off essays indicates that the whole place is based on that principal? I guess that makes more sense to me now when you put it into that perspective... Funny because they don't even give them out sample essays to learn off. :rolleyes:

Anyways, I couldn't be arsed talking to you so I'm going to stop at this.

FaoiSin

So what if they learn things off. It's a foolproof way of getting marks if the question shows up. You don't want to do it? Fine. I'll redirect you to your "CRYING" thread :pac:

dovahkiin

YeaaahFaoiSin wrote: »

So what if they learn things off. It's a foolproof way of getting marks if the question shows up. You don't want to do it? Fine. I'll redirect you to your "CRYING" thread :pac:

I haven't said anything against learning things, if anything I'm defending it. Give the thread another read there, might be good practice for Wednesday

Hayezer

Clearly trolling like :L :L just ignore him

FaoiSin

dovahkiin wrote: »

Just because you sound smart by saying it doesn't make it true, I'm naturally good and English but couldn't be arsed learning essays off, it's more than likely there's some clown in the institute with no hands and crippling dyslexia who'll do better than me because he learned ****e off.

Douche

jmclee

For features of an authors style, in A questions, could people throw me out a few key words? Under informative persuasive narrative and argumentative headings I guess!
Like in those sort of questions would they be looking for things like repetition, facts, imagery, quotes etc.?
None of my notes have specific traits for the genres!!

PictureFrame

jmclee wrote: »

For features of an authors style, in A questions, could people throw me out a few key words? Under informative persuasive narrative and argumentative headings I guess!
Like in those sort of questions would they be looking for things like repetition, facts, imagery, quotes etc.?
None of my notes have specific traits for the genres!!

Was just about to ask the same thing. I'm not sure what i'm suppose to look for when they ask about Author's aspects of style- I only got 14/20 in this question for the Mocks, does anyone have any idea of the stuff I should try and look for when asked this question?

Hayezer

jmclee wrote: »

For features of an authors style, in A questions, could people throw me out a few key words? Under informative persuasive narrative and argumentative headings I guess!
Like in those sort of questions would they be looking for things like repetition, facts, imagery, quotes etc.?
None of my notes have specific traits for the genres!!

This is all my teacher gave us.

• Informative-Simple,clear,facts
• Argument-Logic,facts,stats,contrast(undermining the opposite sides argument)
• Persuasive-Humour,exaggeration,play on emotions
• Narration-Suspense,entertaining,unpredictable
• Aesthetic-Word choice,sensual(visual, smell etc),onomatopeaia

Hope thats some help

leaveiton

jmclee wrote: »

For features of an authors style, in A questions, could people throw me out a few key words? Under informative persuasive narrative and argumentative headings I guess!
Like in those sort of questions would they be looking for things like repetition, facts, imagery, quotes etc.?
None of my notes have specific traits for the genres!!

Informative would use facts, statistics, and would be very objective, no bias.

Argumentative appeals to the head, again would use facts and statistics to back up a point, and tries to convince the reader of one point of view.

Persuasive is similar to argumentative but appeals more to the heart, it's more open to using emotions and anecdotes to persuade people one way or another.

I'm never really sure of narrative but I suppose it'd be anything that sounds like a story, like an extract from a book rather than an article. There you could mention imagery, narration, that kind of thing.

Don't forget about the aesthetic use of language either, which sort of overlaps with all genres but particularly narration. That'd be things like alliteration, description, imagery.

There are lots of things that aren't exclusive to any one genre - if the author is using a lot of imagery in an argumentative piece, mention that. If you notice that the author has a very light-hearted style, you can say that too. I think it's better to look at the piece itself and see what you notice about that rather than trying to make it fit under the headings of information, narration, argument or persuasion.

Incompetent

For essays on paper 1, should we use appropriate layouts? For example should an article have a headline? And should a guide have different headings?

silversky

dovahkiin wrote: »

Just because you sound smart by saying it doesn't make it true, I'm naturally good and English but couldn't be arsed learning essays off, it's more than likely there's some clown in the institute with no hands and crippling dyslexia who'll do better than me because he learned ****e off.

Ha, you forgot the copious amounts of money their parents had to throw about. When all they really have to do is sit down and read a few books. Sorted.

Stalin and rugby

silversky wrote: »

Ha, you forgot the copious amounts of money their parents had to throw about. When all they really have to do is sit down and read a few books. Sorted.

I'm rich, live in Blackrock, go to the institue, buy extra notes, and learn essays off by heart. I've also never read a book.

You mad bro?

silversky

Stalin and rugby wrote: »

I'm rich, live in Blackrock, go to the institue, buy extra notes, and learn essays off by heart. I've also never read a book.

You mad bro?

Yes, apparently.

Dwellingdweller

What's everyones time plan for paper 1?

born2bwild

silversky wrote: »

Be careful on this one.

My teacher warned my class about that. She said when it comes to speeches and the like, which come up in both QB and the composition part- not to do both. It comes across like you can only do one type of question- it depends on the examiner but you could lose marks.

My advice if you're really good at speeches do the speech in the composition, and do something different in QB (radio speech, interview?) as obviously the composition is worth a large chunk of your percentage, you wouldn't want to lose out.

I know some people will rubbish this comment but just watch out- you need to show you're versatile.

This is wrong. There are no marks for 'versatility' in any marking scheme I have ever seen in years of marking.

Do two speeches if you want.