whats wrong with wheat ?

czgalway

hi lads doing a low carb diet and was wondering why is wholewheat bread so bad i am eating 2 slices of mccambridge bread with the scrambled egg in the morning and thats pretty much it the only other carbs are coming from plenty of veg and a hand full of nuts ,i started wondering why not cut out the nuts and have a extra slice of the same bread with the 2 salads that i have during the day .can someone please explain why the nuts are better than bread with the same amount of carbs in each

Grawns

Nuts have more fat and protein keeping you full for longer.

LCD

My understanding of "Why wheat is bad" is mainly an against grains/refined CHOs statement & wheat being the biggest source of CHOs in the western diet. In addition wheat contains gluten & other proteins that may be harsh on the stomach. Also wheat has been enginereed to the enth degree to make it as resistant to everything as possible & to increase yield. So today's wheat is nothing like the original wheat cultivated 1000s of years ago.

Rice is seen as being less sensitive on the stomach & is gluten free. However as it is a staple food for millions worldwide I would guess it has been subject to the same level of gentic engineering as wheat.

So when people say remove wheat from your diet, what they are getting at is removing wheat should elimnate the vast majority of refined CHOs from your diet. I could be wrong on all of this.

UnknownSpecies

If you're serious about going low carb, I'd suggest eliminating all bread as a first step. Not the easiest but you'll see results sooner.

Hanley

Gluten, the blood glucose effect, its addictive properties and autoimmunity, for the most part

czgalway

ok lads will give up the bread ,so what will i replace it with .ideas?

UnknownSpecies

My lunch used to rely heavily on bread. When I gave it up, my lunch had more quality protein and fats. I went from having a sandwich to having mackerel or tuna with olive oil and a bowl of spinach, tomatoes, cucumber and cheese. It's crazy but it actually leaves me satisfied longer yet doesn't leave me bloated like bread did.

czgalway

yea i was the same in the mornings i would have 2 slices of white toast and make sandwiches for lunch with 6 slices of white bread and spuds with the dinner then maybe a toasted sandwich at 9 at night so i was eating 10 slices white bread a day with the spuds since i have cut back hugely i feel much better, full of energy and not craving crap but i am eating up on 200 grams of protein and its hard to make up the calories without eating some carbs

UnknownSpecies

Make up the carbs with veg. Still getting the benefits but without all the sugar that processed bread has in it. Even if you have loooads of carbs from veg, in all likelihood, you won't put on weight from it.

H8GHOTI

What about spelt bread? Is that only slightly better for you?

irish son

czgalway wrote: »

i am eating up on 200 grams of protein and its hard to make up the calories without eating some carbs

Eat more good fats to make up the calories

Stench Blossoms

It's icky.

--Kaiser--

What's wrong with it? I'll try to be concise:

Gluten
Can cause auto-immune diseases

Neuro-peptides
These mimic opioids which make wheat addictive and can possibly exaccerbate neurological conditions

Lectins
Can damage the gut lining

Phytates
Inhibits mineral absorption


Protease inhibitors
Stop you from digesting protein

It's pretty bad news all around. Ditch grains altogether and replace it with meat, vegetables and eggs (proper food)

LCD

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

What's wrong with it? I'll try to be concise:

Gluten
Can cause auto-immune diseases

Neuro-peptides
These mimic opioids which make wheat addictive and can possibly exaccerbate neurological conditions

Lectins
Can damage the gut lining

Phytates
Inhibits mineral absorption


Protease inhibitors
Stop you from digesting protein

It's pretty bad news all around. Ditch grains altogether and replace it with meat, vegetables and eggs (proper food)

Great answer Kaiser. You say ditch grains all together, however are other grains (such as Spelt) less "evil" than wheat? Also what are your thoughts on rice?

WilhelmFink

whats wrong with wheat?

Nothing.

It's protecting it's species survival, which involves being indigestible for humans.

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/why-grains-are-unhealthy/

yosser hughes

What are people's opinions on wraps?You know, those tortilla flat things.
I use them to wrap my salads and tuna etc in.
Am I fooling myself that this is somehow any better than bread?

WilhelmFink

yosser hughes wrote: »

What are people's opinions on wraps?You know, those tortilla flat things.
I use them to wrap my salads and tuna etc in.
Am I fooling myself that this is somehow any better than bread?

Tortillas are usually made out of corn flour.

General rule of thumb, if you're staying away from grains, give anything with flour in it a miss.

Corn is basically like grain. It's not really digestible either.


Although, saying that, if you've only started giving them don't be too hard on yourself. Unless you know you can go cold-turkey, gradually reduce it! Baby steps

--Kaiser--

LCD wrote: »

Great answer Kaiser. You say ditch grains all together, however are other grains (such as Spelt) less "evil" than wheat? Also what are your thoughts on rice?

Spelt is actually a type of wheat. While better than wheat in some ways (e.g. less gluten), it still has all the other anti-nutrients I mentioned.

Rice is fairly innoccuos as grains go, however, it still displaces healthier foods from your diet

robertjack780

Nuts gives energy..

Hanley

robertjack780 wrote: »

Nuts gives energy..

Technically, any food with calories give energy?

Transform

Most of those wraps are wheat based or have it as a primary ingredient

El_Dangeroso

Transform wrote: »

Most of those wraps are wheat based or have it as a primary ingredient

This, I bought some proper corn flour for making proper fermented tortillas. They were a disaster! Apparently you need a tortilla press.

Animord

I am reading Wheat Belly at the moment. Davis is a cardiologist and its definitely worth a look. (depending on your stance on the matter of course!) For my own part when I gave up wheat the acid reflux that I had suffered from all my life, and my doctor was suggesting surgery for, disappeared, among other smaller irritations.

He reckons that although humans were never meant to eat wheat, it didn't do too much harm until the last 50 years - it has been so genetically changed from the orginal. What we now call wheat is nothing like what our grandparents ate.

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Hanley

^^If anyone doesn't fancy reading the book and just wants a condensed version they can listen to, it's all here, and will literally blow your mind

http://robbwolf.com/2011/08/30/the-paleo-solution-episode-95/

Gummy Panda

Hanley wrote: »

^^If anyone doesn't fancy reading the book and just wants a condensed version they can listen to, it's all here, and will literally blow your mind

http://robbwolf.com/2011/08/30/the-paleo-solution-episode-95/

How long have you stopped eating wheat Hanley and what benefits did you see?

Hanley

Gummy Panda wrote: »

How long have you stopped eating wheat Hanley and what benefits did you see?

Where did I say I had?

Gummy Panda

Hanley wrote: »

Gummy Panda wrote: »

How long have you stopped eating wheat Hanley and what benefits did you see?

Where did I say I had?

Sorry I assumed you had from your posts about the negative effects and then one linking a Robb Wolf podcast.

Hanley

Gummy Panda wrote: »

Sorry I assumed you had from your posts about the negative effects and then one linking a Robb Wolf podcast.

I'd eat a very minimal amount. My entire exposure to it today would be a tortilla wrap.

I do think there's different degrees of sensitivity to it tho. Like if I have a load of wheat/sugar based products I get SERIOUSLY congested and feel ill in the next 12-24 hours, but a small amount doesn't seem to have the same effect.

There may come a time I completely eliminate it, but I'm not there yet. I do plan on a full paleo month to see how it goes tho. My big thought on all of this is "middle of the road". Anyone who's dogmatic and says you must do X, Y or Z, or sits on either side of the curve, is usually wrong in my experience.

For dieting and inexperienced people, I do think cutting out as much of the bad crap as early on as possible is the way to go, mainly because it takes will power out of the equation and gets them into a rhythm. When you're able to control cravings etc, there's a chance to be a bit more flexible and play about with stuff to see how you react

j@utis

what rye bread then? is it any better than wheat? I don't eat bread btw. My bf does and I'm trying to find ways to 'wean' him off wheat bread.

Transform

j@utis wrote: »

what rye bread then? is it any better than wheat? I don't eat bread btw. My bf does and I'm trying to find ways to 'wean' him off wheat bread.

I find many of my clients can function quite well on rice and oatcakes as bread alternatives.
Best to try it out and see how it goes for you. However that's not a recommendation to have those in unlimited quantities and most of my clients will have them with real butter, tuna, salmon, nut butter, avocado, boiled eggs, cHicken strips etc