Something to pull a horse box???

babystrawberry

Hiya,

Im currently looking at getting a diesel car/can/jeep to pull a horse box,. I dont do huge mileage, just in and out to work and town. I could look to get the commercial tax for a jeep/van but prob not for a car I am thinking?

I was told a vw caddy (the 1.6tdi version) would be grand to pull one and are v economical but they seem fairly pricey. Any recommendations on other types of vans that would be similar but not as pricey? :rolleyes:

Someone suggesed getting a cheap jeep, looks like can pick them up handy enough on donedeal, only thing is I would be worried about them drinking diesel on me?
Was looking at the Ssangyong Kyron, these seem v reasonable online and are classed as jeeps so would pull a box. Anyone have any experience with these?

A vw passat might also be an option, think there is a 2.0 TDI version, would this pull a horse box?

Thanks in advance

Mycroft H

Berlingo/Partner. Loads of them about. See if you can find the 2.0Hdi model if you can. The old 1.9d lump will pull a horsebox, albeit a bit slowly.

Ford Transit Connect aswell.

Whats your budget?

serious3

a caddy? to pull a horse box? are you serious? 1st question is do you have a trailer licence?

Mycroft H

serious3 wrote: »

a caddy? to pull a horse box? are you serious? 1st question is do you have a trailer licence?

A caddy has 1500kg braked towing capacity. You may not need a EB license for a horsey box either.

serious3

a small van to pull a 4 wheel box? how many laws does that break?

serious3

and a 750kg all up limit if you dont have the licence

Mycroft H

serious3 wrote: »

a small van to pull a 4 wheel box? how many laws does that break?

None.

serious3 wrote: »

and a 750kg all up limit if you dont have the licence

Wrong.

With a standard B license, a person can tow a trailer exceeding 0.75 tonnes DGVW, provided that the DGVW of the trailer does not exceed the un-laden weight of the towing vehicle, and the maximum combination weight does not exceed a total of 3.5 tonnes.

babystrawberry

serious3 wrote: »

a caddy? to pull a horse box? are you serious? 1st question is do you have a trailer licence?

Yes a caddy, I was told that it would pull a horse box, I dont know anything about this stuff, just repeating what I have been told.

Regards the licence ... the thread is not about the licence, I am aware that I wil have to do a driving test with a horse trailer but at the moment my main priority is what to be looking for.
Thanks

babystrawberry

BX 19 wrote: »

None.



Wrong.

With a standard B license, a person can tow a trailer exceeding 0.75 tonnes DGVW, provided that the DGVW of the trailer does not exceed the un-laden weight of the towing vehicle, and the maximum combination weight does not exceed a total of 3.5 tonnes.

Thanks BX 19, wasnt aware of that, I have the standard B licence, was told by friend that would need to update it for horse trailer. nice one

dharn

a fiesta would probably pull a horsebox but it would not stop one, a caddy is way too light on the rear to pull a horse box, i would recommend a pajero or toyota landcruiser you will need 4 wheel drive if you are going off road which you will if you are going hunting showjumping etc

Mycroft H

dharn wrote: »

a fiesta would probably pull a horsebox but it would not stop one, a caddy is way too light on the rear to pull a horse box, i would recommend a pajero or toyota landcruiser you will need 4 wheel drive if you are going off road which you will if you are going hunting showjumping etc

Don't get me wrong, we had a 2t twin axle trailer for general work with a berlingo and it was fine. Once you realise that their is a dead weight on the rear that can have a mind of its own and drive accordingly, they are fine. Some commercial jeeps have the same problem, no weight in the rear.

FWIW, go to any of the open trials at punchestown and you will see loads of small vans doing horse box work and some saloon cars too.

Darsad

Here you go http://www.carzone.ie/search/Subaru/Forester/2.0-TD-M/5213307993776350/advert?channel=CARSo

Plus it has a 2 tonne towing capacity

snowman707

Citroen c5 is one of the best towing cars.

if going for a cheap jeep , a pajero 2.8 old model ( avoid 2.5)

any mid range car/ van will tow a horse box, the secret is for a balanced load and good braking system on the trailer


all I know about vans is that , a firm that service plant for me have a fleet of mercedes vitos and seems to stay with them after trying different makes and models over the years

shawnee

dharn wrote: »

a fiesta would probably pull a horsebox but it would not stop one, a caddy is way too light on the rear to pull a horse box, i would recommend a pajero or toyota landcruiser you will need 4 wheel drive if you are going off road which you will if you are going hunting showjumping etc

How true , easy to pull a horsebox ,but from experience make sure that your box has brakes and that whatever is pulling it is up to stopping with a loaded horsebox behind Caddy would go all over the place on braking with a box behind it :eek:

dharn

as far as i know there is going to be a clamp down on cars towing horsedoxes trailers etc some of the crewcab jeeps are light in the rear end but any 4 wheel drive jeep is vastly superior to a front wheel drive van

babystrawberry

Darsad wrote: »

Here you go http://www.carzone.ie/search/Subaru/Forester/2.0-TD-M/5213307993776350/advert?channel=CARSo

Plus it has a 2 tonne towing capacity

Thanks Darsad, i love the foresters, parents had one when was younger ... I prob should mention however that I would be hoping to not have to spend more than 6k(ish) :rolleyes:, i know that is prob not much now for what I am looking for but was hoping would pick something reliable and economical up for that.

Was looking at the Pajeros on donedeal, there is a 2005 one for 5k on it, but its the 2.5 ltr one? snowman707, are these troublesome? There is also a 2006 one, 2.5 ltr for 6.5 k? Was looking on parkers website for reviews on paheros but they dont seem to list them? Are pajeros economical does anyone know, as in how many miles to the gallon?!

givepress3

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carbon nanotube

babystrawberry wrote: »

Hiya,

Im currently looking at getting a diesel car/can/jeep to pull a horse box,. I dont do huge mileage, just in and out to work and town. I could look to get the commercial tax for a jeep/van but prob not for a car I am thinking?

I was told a vw caddy (the 1.6tdi version) would be grand to pull one and are v economical but they seem fairly pricey. Any recommendations on other types of vans that would be similar but not as pricey? :rolleyes:

Someone suggesed getting a cheap jeep, looks like can pick them up handy enough on donedeal, only thing is I would be worried about them drinking diesel on me?
Was looking at the Ssangyong Kyron, these seem v reasonable online and are classed as jeeps so would pull a box. Anyone have any experience with these?

A vw passat might also be an option, think there is a 2.0 TDI version, would this pull a horse box?

Thanks in advance

now where is that Irish lotto and with the lambo pulling a trailer...:)

Mycroft H

carbon nanotube wrote: »

now where is that Irish lotto and with the lambo pulling a trailer...:)

Was it not a Ferrari?

kwalshe

Was it not an AMG:p

puzzle factory

babystrawberry wrote: »

Thanks Darsad, i love the foresters, parents had one when was younger ... I prob should mention however that I would be hoping to not have to spend more than 6k(ish) :rolleyes:, i know that is prob not much now for what I am looking for but was hoping would pick something reliable and economical up for that.

Was looking at the Pajeros on donedeal, there is a 2005 one for 5k on it, but its the 2.5 ltr one? snowman707, are these troublesome? There is also a 2006 one, 2.5 ltr for 6.5 k? Was looking on parkers website for reviews on paheros but they dont seem to list them? Are pajeros economical does anyone know, as in how many miles to the gallon?!

stay away from the 2.5, i have one, underpowered and to say there chronic on diesel is the biggest understatement ever, get a 3.1 trooper or a 99 landcruiser, newer ones had full time four wheel drive and fair heavy on fuel because of it.

carbon nanotube

kwalshe wrote: »

Was it not an AMG:p

halfords //AMG// id say

Mycroft H

carbon nanotube wrote: »

halfords //AMG// id say

Good spot.

The twin exhausts that are missing are the giveaway.

okane1

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ltdslipdiff

Always found vans better to tow trailers than either cars or jeeps. Used a 06 1.9TDI Caddy for pulling a 1350kg boat the last few years and found it great. The most important thing is just drop the speed and keep your distance! You'd pick up an unabused example of a 1.9TDi Caddy for your budget OP. Also consider a well-looked after Trafic/Vivaro/Primastar with the 100bhp dCi. Fuel consumption on these are fine and easy to use every day, I'd be wary of buying a heavy diesel-sucking jeep......
You'd also most likely get the newer 2.0 dCi engine (115bhp) in the Trafic/Vivaro/Primastar for your budget..better again! Timing chain, 16v, better on fuel. Max towing weight 2 tonnes too.

meathstevie

If you could find something the likes of a diesel Vitara or RAV4 ( pricey ) or a decent crew cab pick up ( Ford Ranger/mazda b2500 are very nicely priced compared to a hilux most of the time and are a good yoke ) you could combine the towing capacity of a 4wd with the relative comfort of using it as a full time car as well. I know from experience that my 12 year old B2500 does about 35mpg when you take it handy.

granturismo

babystrawberry wrote: »

but at the moment my main priority is what to be looking for.
Thanks

Will it be a double box or a mare & foal - big difference in weight. Thats your unladen weight.

Will the horse be a pony or two 17.1 hand - add the weight of your horse/s to the unladen weight to find out the laden weight. Remember to add saddles and any other significant weight (water)

Find out the specs on whatever car/van you intend to buy, check the max braked weight, horse boxes have brakes, and see if your estimated laden weight is less than the max braked weight spec for your car.

2-2.2 litre diesel Passat or similar will easily tow a box with large horse but mightnt be too useful if you need to drive over grass.

Search for towing in the Equestrian forum, there have been a few.

Also, recommendation from the UK Caravan club no less - to avoid your trailer fish tailing, the laden weight of the trailer should not exceed 85% of the kerb weight of the car. I think I have a guide to towing on another computer - I'll post ot tomorrow if I can find it.

babystrawberry

ltdslipdiff wrote: »

Always found vans better to tow trailers than either cars or jeeps. Used a 06 1.9TDI Caddy for pulling a 1350kg boat the last few years and found it great. The most important thing is just drop the speed and keep your distance! You'd pick up an unabused example of a 1.9TDi Caddy for your budget OP. Also consider a well-looked after Trafic/Vivaro/Primastar with the 100bhp dCi. Fuel consumption on these are fine and easy to use every day, I'd be wary of buying a heavy diesel-sucking jeep......
You'd also most likely get the newer 2.0 dCi engine (115bhp) in the Trafic/Vivaro/Primastar for your budget..better again! Timing chain, 16v, better on fuel. Max towing weight 2 tonnes too.

Yea, think i will most likely be going down the line of 1.9/2.0 van type thing. From the sounds of it the might be easier on the diesel than the jeeps!

granturismo wrote: »

Will it be a double box or a mare & foal - big difference in weight. Thats your unladen weight.

Will the horse be a pony or two 17.1 hand - add the weight of your horse/s to the unladen weight to find out the laden weight. Remember to add saddles and any other significant weight (water)

Find out the specs on whatever car/van you intend to buy, check the max braked weight, horse boxes have brakes, and see if your estimated laden weight is less than the max braked weight spec for your car.

2-2.2 litre diesel Passat or similar will easily tow a box with large horse but mightnt be too useful if you need to drive over grass.

Search for towing in the Equestrian forum, there have been a few.

Also, recommendation from the UK Caravan club no less - to avoid your trailer fish tailing, the laden weight of the trailer should not exceed 85% of the kerb weight of the car. I think I have a guide to towing on another computer - I'll post ot tomorrow if I can find it.

Its a mare and foal box, used to pull 15.1hh 'chunky' cob, he would be untacked also when travelling! Ill be sieving through donedeal tonight on the look out for vans! Thanks again:D

granturismo

granturismo wrote: »

I think I have a guide to towing on another computer - I'll post ot tomorrow if I can find it.

Sorry, cant find it.

notsobusy

babystrawberry wrote: »

Thanks Darsad, i love the foresters, parents had one when was younger ... I prob should mention however that I would be hoping to not have to spend more than 6k(ish) :rolleyes:, i know that is prob not much now for what I am looking for but was hoping would pick something reliable and economical up for that.

Was looking at the Pajeros on donedeal, there is a 2005 one for 5k on it, but its the 2.5 ltr one? snowman707, are these troublesome? There is also a 2006 one, 2.5 ltr for 6.5 k? Was looking on parkers website for reviews on paheros but they dont seem to list them? Are pajeros economical does anyone know, as in how many miles to the gallon?!

Have you looked at a Kia Sorento. 2.5l pull a box no problem. Good value too. I've just bought one.
I used to pull a horse box with my dads passatt and then he got an audi a6. They were 2l. Great to tow!

Kamili

granturismo wrote: »

Will it be a double box or a mare & foal - big difference in weight. Thats your unladen weight.

Will the horse be a pony or two 17.1 hand - add the weight of your horse/s to the unladen weight to find out the laden weight. Remember to add saddles and any other significant weight (water)

This to an extent isn't correct. Legally you need to take the maximum gross weight of the horsebox as the figure to use, this is the maximum weight that the box can carry which for an ifor Williams 505 I think is 2340kg. Your vehicle must be rated to tow this maximum gross weight regardless of what in in the box horse or no horse.

micheal1995

the crew cabs are great to toe a box we have a ford ranger and it pulls our iforwilliams 505 easy with 2 horses.

re box i dont like the new iforwilliams they are weak get the classic version

paddy147

L200 crewcab commercial and BFG All Terrain tyres for towing a horse box...job done.:)

micheal1995

if you get a crew cab there great cheep tax with 5 seats but off road tires are a no no they make the jeep get rougher on the road