Boozing and Triathlons

miller82

Just wondering do many people booze during triathlon season.
I go off it the weekend before a race and have no intensions of increasing that time frame

Obviously people that are finishing in the top 10% probably give it up for the season, but i'm more curious about people that are finishing between 25% and 75% and doing three or more races

catweazle

Nah my boozing isnt much of a problem - its the crackers and cheese or feed of biscuits that immediatley have to be consumed as soon as a sniff of alcohol passes my way. No drink during the week and either a glass or two of wine or a few beers depending on the weather at the weekend

A big blowout on average about once a month which more keeps the wife happy that I can still be a bit of craic and get drunk every now and then

miller82

ye i'd never drink during the week, its always a binge on a saturday night out.

Bambaata

I certainly dont give it up and i try to aim for top 10 in most races. Maybe that's what's keeping me from that top spot!

I dont really go out often but i would have approx 5 to 6 beers across the week with one night being 3 or 4 and the others just one here and there at home. So long as you arent getting rat arsed i dont see any problem with it.

Binge is the worst thing you could do though and if you did have aspirations of getting to the higher end of races that would need to stop.

miller82

ye my drinking would normally be once a week and considered a binge i suppose. but like i said, i give up the sauce the week before, so really it would be two weeks off the drink.

Bambaata

A week off it the week before the race wont do much. It'll have impacted the week before that. I think it takes something like 4 to 6 weeks for your body to get a "fitness/speed" improvement so the work you did just over a month ago is that which will gain you the time on the day. Everything up to the race from there is just about holding onto that speed and the weekly binges will really effect that. When you say "binge" how much are we talking? 3, 4 or even 5 shouldn't be too bad but if you're going over that you wont be doing yourself justice in your races. Then again it depends on your aims. If you just want to enjoy yourself why stop (well to a point! your health will also be at risk) but if you do wish to get competitive or even beat your own times then you'd need to stop the binges or at least hold them to every 2 to 3 months.

miller82

Bambaata wrote: »

A week off it the week before the race wont do much. It'll have impacted the week before that. I think it takes something like 4 to 6 weeks for your body to get a "fitness/speed" improvement so the work you did just over a month ago is that which will gain you the time on the day. Everything up to the race from there is just about holding onto that speed and the weekly binges will really effect that. When you say "binge" how much are we talking? 3, 4 or even 5 shouldn't be too bad but if you're going over that you wont be doing yourself justice in your races. Then again it depends on your aims. If you just want to enjoy yourself why stop (well to a point! your health will also be at risk) but if you do wish to get competitive or even beat your own times then you'd need to stop the binges or at least hold them to every 2 to 3 months.

well thats depressing

ah ye it would be over 5 anyway:(

stanleybowles

I always have 2 drinks the night before. Helps me relax.

Bambaata

miller82 wrote: »

well thats depressing

ah ye it would be over 5 anyway:(

ha. Not meaning to sound harsh but if you're looking to compete then binge drinking wont help your cause!

stanleybowles wrote: »

I always have 2 drinks the night before. Helps me relax.

Id be the same. Id happily have a glass of wine or a beer to help sleep/relax.

elvis jones

miller82 wrote: »

well thats depressing

ah ye it would be over 5 anyway:(

Do you want to drink or do well ?

Its as simple as that, you can't train properly with that in your system with the recovery time you'll loose at least 2 days a week.

I've all but cut it out, the odd glass of red wine is all i have. I honestly don't miss it as i want to get fitter and do these races. I want the races more than i want the drink.

miller82

elvis jones wrote: »

Do you want to drink or do well ?

Its as simple as that, you can't train properly with that in your system with the recovery time you'll loose at least 2 days a week.

I've all but cut it out, the odd glass of red wine is all i have. I honestly don't miss it as i want to get fitter and do these races. I want the races more than i want the drink.

Can't i have both please :P

its hard during the summer though, theres something on (drink related) every weekend. I'd never lose more than one day, and even on that one day i'd try to do soemthing, even if its just cycle down to the gym and do a stretching session.
I realise though that you can't do both flat out, something has to give. I suppose its about trying to get a balance and working out what works for you in terms of training and what you want to get out of it

I was more curious as to other peoples habits

Rawhead

Your age would have a lot to do with it. In your 20's you should be able to burn the candle at both ends. It's in your 30's that the drinking starts to effect you and in particular the recovery period. I haven't had many Saturday nights out this year because that would mean missing my long run or cycle on the Sunday. I still like a few pints on a Sunday evening though.
I know what you mean about there being something every weekend during the summer, I had a wedding Saturday and I'm doing the Athy Oly next Saturday so I went easy, still had a good drink but didn't tear the arse out of it.
Pick your occasions to revolve around your races and then you can reward yourself with a good session after your races.


It's all about moderation and balance grasshopper.

elvis jones

miller82 wrote: »

Can't i have both please :P

its hard during the summer though, theres something on (drink related) every weekend. I'd never lose more than one day, and even on that one day i'd try to do soemthing, even if its just cycle down to the gym and do a stretching session.
I realise though that you can't do both flat out, something has to give. I suppose its about trying to get a balance and working out what works for you in terms of training and what you want to get out of it

I was more curious as to other peoples habits

And is there a reason you have to drink at these events ?

You seem to be trying to justifying the once a week binge. As i said the question is which is more important the race or the rum;)

dave04

Great topic ! As it's something I've often worried about myself , perhaps looking at weekly units might help? I'm a shift worker so can end up working weekends or nights and as I work in healthcare it's not good for anyone if I'm not able to function at my best ....though wouldn't think twice about having one beer on a sunny morning after work at 0900 before going to bed ! [ the odd time!]
As for effecting performance , I think personaly if your drinking regularly small amounts its becomming a bad habbit thats going to have a bearing because not least the accumulation of body fat , which you yourself dont immediately notice , but it's you thats got to carry it .
It's about being honest with yourself , were all different so the amount of alchohol we drink effects in different ways , sorry if thats very broad sounding but Ithink you can have the best of both worlds, as it's already been said ... moderation .

tunney

miller82 wrote: »

Can't i have both please :P

its hard during the summer though, theres something on (drink related) every weekend. I'd never lose more than one day, and even on that one day i'd try to do soemthing, even if its just cycle down to the gym and do a stretching session.
I realise though that you can't do both flat out, something has to give. I suppose its about trying to get a balance and working out what works for you in terms of training and what you want to get out of it

I was more curious as to other peoples habits

I've tried both sides of the coin. Not drinking and training and drinking and training. Drinking and training was this year. Hasn't gone well. Also done not drinking (bar glass of wine at special occasions, and I mean a single glass JB), and training. Was flying, won a few races, did well. Was lean (10st 4 at 5 foot 10).

Drinking in moderation is fine. However by moderation I mine a glass of wine or a beer.

You say you only miss a day a week. Directly you have lost 15% of your training time. You have probably made another 30% sub standard.

You need to ask yourself - completion or competition. One of these works with alcohol abuse, one does not.

Rawhead

One other major point. Most of the people who regularly post on this forum are at the pointy end of the stick. Most are top 10% or top 10 finishers. They take it seriously. It's like asking a lad who plays junior B football about training and asking an inter county player. They both play the same game but at completely different levels.

Izoard

Rawhead wrote: »

One other major point. Most of the people who regularly post on this forum are at the pointy end of the stick. Most are top 10% or top 10 finishers. They take it seriously. It's like asking a lad who plays junior B football about training and asking an inter county player. They both play the same game but at completely different levels.

Ehh, not quite - the respondents on this thread and in the forum in general cover the spectrum of finishing placings...

However, the general point remains - no matter what your level, the more you drink, the slower you'll go.

hf4z6sqo7vjngi

I strangely have had some of my best sessions the morning after a few glasses of wine/beer although it does not make it right.
When it comes close to my A race i try and avoid it as much as i can although the odd glass here and there will not kill you. Most of us are not pros and its a hobby so as long as its done in moderation and a balance is found you should crack open that bottle of Châteauneuf du Pape you have been saving when you get home tonight:)

elvis jones

Rawhead wrote: »

One other major point. Most of the people who regularly post on this forum are at the pointy end of the stick. Most are top 10% or top 10 finishers. They take it seriously. It's like asking a lad who plays junior B football about training and asking an inter county player. They both play the same game but at completely different levels.

Horse crap of the highest order. I'm a 16 stone man who'll never be 10 top let alone top 100 in a race BUT whats the point in doing it if your not going to give your all and do yourself justice.

Football is different as you can train all you want but if you can't kick a ball you'll never make it to the higher levels. With something like triathlon proper training can see amazing improvments.

Rawhead

What is everyone getting so upset about. It's something we do around family, work and the rest of the stuff in life. I would still drink on a regular basis, I'm 35 and I won't be breaking any records at this stage. I train hard and I generally achieve a decent result (top 10%). I will not go to a family occasion or night out and sit sipping water boring the ****e out of people telling them about the big race I have in 2 months. Some of the folks on here are competing for top 10 finishes and alcohol will dull their edge no doubt. I do think that for the rest of us that a few pints is not going to be the cause of not making the A time for London.
Moderation and balance.

elvis jones

Rawhead wrote: »

What is everyone getting so upset about. It's something we do around family, work and the rest of the stuff in life. I would still drink on a regular basis, I'm 35 and I won't be breaking any records at this stage. I train hard and I generally achieve a decent result (top 10%). I will not go to a family occasion or night out and sit sipping water boring the ****e out of people telling them about the big race I have in 2 months. Some of the folks on here are competing for top 10 finishes and alcohol will dull their edge no doubt. I do think that for the rest of us that a few pints is not going to be the cause of not making the A time for London.
Moderation and balance.

Yes but the OP was on about a good session on a sat night.............thats not a few pints. There is a difference and the one thing we all agree on is MODERATION.

BTH

elvis jones wrote: »

Yes but the OP was on about a good session on a sat night.............thats not a few pints. There is a difference and the one thing we all agree on is MODERATION.

In the last 2 months I've been to two stag dos, a wedding, and my engagement party. Bit more than a "few pints" in each of those. I've also raced 4 times, with top 10% results in most if not all.

The next month sees another 4 races, another wedding and a mates 30th. I'll not be sticking to water in either of those.

A lot is about how you drink too. A long day at a stag or wedding I'll start a little later than everyone else if possible, and I'll stick to bottles for the day. And generally just drink at your own pace. You start firing pints down and it'll cost you a lot more than one days training. I'll also avoid any shots/shorts, but then I never was a big drinker of those anyway. Gave the wine a miss during dinner at the wedding too, as I've found lately that mixing drinks is much worse than it used to be. And I was ill coming into the wedding anyway so that wouldn't have been good.

To me a good session on a Saturday night means spending all day Sunday in bed, and Monday at work being not much better. So these are usually only at end of season and Christmas.

Rawhead

One of the biggest limiters for me these days is that I can't drink anymore. The fitter I've got the less I can drink.
As I've said earlier though, age would be a big factor in recovery.

peter kern

It was asked to complete ie top 25 to 75%
and its 5 times better to train and drink
than drink and not to train.

I mean most GAA ,rugby soccer guys drink .....and up to a very high level.
Some triathletes want a life and are social people that like to drink
of course you perform better without drinking but if you are a social person by nature that like to drink , i guess most people shorten their tri career by not drinking and after 3 years give up , I guess most people go further training and drinking for 5 years than living like a monk for 2 years and are out of tri as they cant do it .

And dosnt it get a bit embarrassing to see those guys that have the 6000 euro bike, compresions socks , never drink, live for triathlon and then do 5.32h (6.10 for a female) for an half Ironman , me thinks you better enjoy it drink a few have a few friends and do 5.48 .( honestly nobody will care if you do 5.32 or 5.48) some might care if you do 4.58 or 5.03 and if you go sub 4.20 or sub 5 for females you might get a sponsor .
But I think overall , often we triathletes take ourselfs way to serious.


horses for courses.

BTH

peter kern wrote: »

But I think overall , often we triathletes take ourselfs way to serious.

Exactly. Relax and have a pint in the sun.

elvis jones

BetterThanHoyte wrote: »

In the last 2 months I've been to two stag dos, a wedding, and my engagement party. Bit more than a "few pints" in each of those. I've also raced 4 times, with top 10% results in most if not all.

The next month sees another 4 races, another wedding and a mates 30th. I'll not be sticking to water in either of those.

A lot is about how you drink too. A long day at a stag or wedding I'll start a little later than everyone else if possible, and I'll stick to bottles for the day. And generally just drink at your own pace. You start firing pints down and it'll cost you a lot more than one days training. I'll also avoid any shots/shorts, but then I never was a big drinker of those anyway. Gave the wine a miss during dinner at the wedding too, as I've found lately that mixing drinks is much worse than it used to be. And I was ill coming into the wedding anyway so that wouldn't have been good.

To me a good session on a Saturday night means spending all day Sunday in bed, and Monday at work being not much better. So these are usually only at end of season and Christmas.

I'd kill for one of those..................2 small kids don't allow it:D

elvis jones

peter kern wrote: »

It was asked to complete ie top 25 to 75%
and its 5 times better to train and drink
than drink and not to train.

I mean most GAA ,rugby soccer guys drink .....and up to a very high level.
Some triathletes want a life and are social people that like to drink
of course you perform better without drinking but if you are a social person by nature that like to drink , i guess most people shorten their tri career by not drinking and after 3 years give up , I guess most people go further training and drinking for 5 years than living like a monk for 2 years and are out of tri as they cant do it .

And dosnt it get a bit embarrassing to see those guys that have the 6000 euro bike, compresions socks , never drink, live for triathlon and then do 5.32h (6.10 for a female) for an half Ironman , me thinks you better enjoy it drink a few have a few friends and do 5.48 .( honestly nobody will care if you do 5.32 or 5.48) some might care if you do 4.58 or 5.03 and if you go sub 4.20 or sub 5 for females you might get a sponsor .
But I think overall , often we triathletes take ourselfs way to serious.


horses for courses.

I think you'll find they will:rolleyes:

peter kern

of course the athlete does ( and in a way thats good ) , but nobody than lets say bare 4 people around you will care.
but they will go wow you did a half Ironman
when they will say 'ok' when you say i just did an Oly distacne race in sub2 hours .

I can only think of bodybuilding where athletes seem to have the same obession
I might be wrong with that !?

My worst coaching day was when a athelte of mine did his first Ironman in 9.02. which was an Irish record .
for me that was the biggest coaching desaster ever. but maybe 7 or so people really cared as for 99 % it was a new iriah Ironman record.
and I only understood my stupid thinkin last year when the course was way short and on a day like this 9.02 would have been 8.47 or so.

elvis jones

peter kern wrote: »

of course the athlete does ( and in a way thats good ) , but nobody than lets say bare 4 people around you will care.
but they will go wow you did a half Ironman
when they will say 'ok' when you say i just did an Oly distacne race in sub2 hours .

I can only think of bodybuilding where athletes seem to have the same obession
I might be wrong with that !?

Ah i know Peter but to some people a PB by 1 second can mean more than than anything if they have no hope of winning.

peter kern

Ah i know Peter but to some people a PB by 1 second can mean more than than anything if they have no hope of winning.

totally agree with that

but is it not also a pb to go 3 sec slower while enjoying life more.
thats a life PB.

I have an athlete thats pretty good ,but has what I consider is a better life than most traithletes, I am not going to tell this athlete if you go out once a week less you will be faster.

MrCreosote

Binge drinking/getting smashed every weekend is bad for you.
Will it affect your triathlon time? Almost certainly. But screw that, cut it down for better reasons, like your health.

miller82

MrCreosote wrote: »

Binge drinking/getting smashed every weekend is bad for you.
Will it affect your triathlon time? Almost certainly. But screw that, cut it down for better reasons, like your health.

i'm not a total cretin, i get smashed every second weekend :P

elvis jones

I got smashed in Oct 2009:D

Believe be i'd love to but its not worth it at 6am the next morning when the kids jump on you.

tunney

elvis jones wrote: »

I got smashed in Oct 2009:D

Believe be i'd love to but its not worth it at 6am the next morning when the kids jump on you.

Oh god its not is it.
"Lets play supermarket with Elmo and Cookie monster"
"Oh god...... I don't feel well...... CLEAN UP ALIAS THREE!!"

shotgunmcos

Dunno about the rest of you lot but I've found that as I've become fitter and older my tolerance for alcohol has diminished significantly.

+1 on the taking life too seriously. I drink so rarely these days that I positively savour any glass of red, or cool beer I have and if I feel like another.

Boozing on the other hand, IMO, is just an outlet for fear in your life. My eye opener was when I lived in Germany and people just have a sociable drink in the middle of the day and can leave a bottle half empty on the table. Doing rounds and gulping pints on a regular basis and expecting to perform in an endurance sports is just moronic

tunney

I really want to do the beer mile

A Beer mile is a drinking game combining running and speed drinking. Typically, the game takes place on a standard 400 meter or 1/4 mile running track. The race begins at the 1-mile starting line with the consumption of a standard amount of beer, followed by a full lap around the track. The second lap continues in a similar manner; the standard amount of beer is consumed before commencing the running of the second lap. This process is repeated for the next two laps. Following the completion of the fourth running lap (and four beers), a competitor has finished the race.

Izoard

tunney wrote: »

I really want to do the beer mile

A Beer mile is a drinking game combining running and speed drinking. Typically, the game takes place on a standard 400 meter or 1/4 mile running track. The race begins at the 1-mile starting line with the consumption of a standard amount of beer, followed by a full lap around the track. The second lap continues in a similar manner; the standard amount of beer is consumed before commencing the running of the second lap. This process is repeated for the next two laps. Following the completion of the fourth running lap (and four beers), a competitor has finished the race.

What's the equivalent sub 10 time for the beer mile (i.e. no point in showing up unless you get in under xx.yy)?;)

menoscemo

Izoard wrote: »

What's the equivalent sub 10 time for the beer mile (i.e. no point in showing up unless you get in under xx.yy)?;)

Well, the beer mile WR is just over 5 minutes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMiC4lwa9X8

Since the Mile world record is 3:43, a 10 minute Beer mile would equate to about a 7.30 standard Mile

Izoard

Cheers meno - top research as ever- 5.02 beer mile...ridiculous!

The sub 10 reference was in reference to sub-10 IM, or don't show up..:)

BTH

Meno has settled the argument in my mind. If beer leads to a 5:02 mile then I'm all for it!!

RedB

Izoard wrote: »

Cheers meno - top research as ever- 5.02 beer mile...ridiculous!

The sub 10 reference was in reference to sub-10 IM, or don't show up..:)

Sub-10 sounds just about right to begin with for my version of the beer mile seeing as 8min mile is my comfortable pace. Throwing 4 bottles of beer on top of that must be worth at least another 2 mins+

hootini

tunney wrote: »

I really want to do the beer mile

A Beer mile is a drinking game combining running and speed drinking. Typically, the game takes place on a standard 400 meter or 1/4 mile running track. The race begins at the 1-mile starting line with the consumption of a standard amount of beer, followed by a full lap around the track. The second lap continues in a similar manner; the standard amount of beer is consumed before commencing the running of the second lap. This process is repeated for the next two laps. Following the completion of the fourth running lap (and four beers), a competitor has finished the race.

Just watched the YouTube clip - I think I've found my calling......

elvis jones

Bottles are for pussies, you need cans of dutch gold for an event like this.

If its 4 cans of dutch gold i'm in:cool:

BTH

elvis jones wrote: »

Bottles are for pussies, you need cans of dutch gold for an event like this.

If its 4 cans of dutch gold i'm in:cool:

I believe that the alcohol % for this event must be 5% or higher. Dutch Gold at its low 4% would not qualify. In fact you'll struggle to find a beer widely available here that would meet the criteria for the race. :cool:

elvis jones

BetterThanHoyte wrote: »

I believe that the alcohol % for this event must be 5% or higher. Dutch Gold at its low 4% would not qualify. In fact you'll struggle to find a beer widely available here that would meet the criteria for the race. :cool:

I'm willing to spend monday research.

i'll do the posh 4 glasses of merlot:P

BTH

elvis jones wrote: »

I'm willing to spend monday research.

i'll do the posh 4 glasses of merlot:P

I have a nice bottle of Burgundy at home Imight pop open for this!!

Krusty_Clown

If you're going to condemn the guy who over-indulges on beers on a Saturday, then you should also condemn the guy who sneaks a few tasty treats and is carrying a few extra pounds, or the guy who looks outside and sees the rain and decides to skip the run, and the guy who watches the final episode of Desperate Housewives instead of doing his core exercises, and the guy who skips his long cycle in favour of playing in the park with his kids, and the guy who....

It's all about choices. Unless you're the guy who sacrifices everything (including family time) to be the best that they can be, I'd go easy on the guy who enjoys his beers on a Saturday night.

tunney

Krusty_Clown wrote: »

If you're going to condemn the guy who over-indulges on beers on a Saturday, then you should also condemn the guy who sneaks a few tasty treats and is carrying a few extra pounds, or the guy who looks outside and sees the rain and decides to skip the run, and the guy who watches the final episode of Desperate Housewives instead of doing his core exercises, and the guy who skips his long cycle in favour of playing in the park with his kids, and the guy who....

It's all about choices. Unless you're the guy who sacrifices everything (including family time) to be the best that they can be, I'd go easy on the guy who enjoys his beers on a Saturday night.

You cannot compare pies, sweets and beers to family.

Avoiding eating crap and drinking are something that *you* can control and affect *only* *you*.

nerraw1111

My tolerance for alcohol has also gone to crap so as a result I have to cut down. Means, which is a bit mad when you think about it, ‘sneaking’ non alcoholic beer into my round. The sight of a blue label on a beer really annoys some people. So I’ve to pour the beer quickly so no-one is the wiser, ah Ireland!

I enjoyed pints most weekends, not something I’d give up completely given I enjoy it. I usually do a LSR on a hangover day. Works really well as the hangover stops you running too fast.

miller82

tunney wrote: »

You cannot compare pies, sweets and beers to family.

Avoiding eating crap and drinking are something that *you* can control and affect *only* *you*.

i dont think thats his main point though.
unless you do every other aspect of training 100% then you cant really have major issues with the odd drinking session, which i would agree with.
suppose its about getting the balance right

miller82

nerraw1111 wrote: »

Means, which is a bit mad when you think about it, ‘sneaking’ non alcoholic beer into my round. The sight of a blue label on a beer really annoys some people. So I’ve to pour the beer quickly so no-one is the wiser, ah Ireland!

we have to be the only country with this attitude. If i attempt to not drink when i'm out , or just sip pints and the lads get wind of it, they whinge for ages about it. i get serious stick over it
i dont tend to hold back too often though :P