So I have disgruntled a fraudster on eBay!

runswithascript

At the end of April I ordered a new Nintendo DS Lite from a seller in the UK as a gift for somebody. The seller had almost one thousand reviews and 99% positive feedback so I was confident in the purchase.

Mistakenly I did not actually read his reviews until after I made payment, and it turned out the majority of his positive feedback was for small item accessories for the console, but there were several negative posted by people who had bought the actual console from the seller.

The negative console reviews suggested the seller was actually in Japan, not UK as listed, the product was poorly made, sometimes damaged, and most importantly fake. I quickly queried the seller and asked him to confirm the item would be brand new, undamaged, and a genuine official Nintendo product as listed, and I said if it was not I would like my money back.

The seller would not confirm this, and asked me to wait and see if I liked the item and if not he would then refund. I told him I just wanted a refund, and thankfully I received it a day or so later after which I left my own negative feedback stating the seller was actually in Japan not UK, and that a refund was issued after they would not confirm the product was genuine.

He keeps messaging me asking me to change the feedback and the purpose of this thread is to ask for advice on what to do about it! And also just to share his unbelievable messages

I include all correspondence:

April 27

To the seller:

How long do you expect the item to take to come to the Republic of Ireland?

I have read through your negative feedback, and some people have mentioned receiving 'second hand', 'scratched', 'counterfeit', 'fake', and 'illegal' products from you.

The Pink Nintendo DS I ordered is a present for a little girl, PLEASE MAKE SURE IT IS A *** BRAND NEW *** GENUINE *** OFFICIAL *** PINK *** NINTENDO DS LITE ***.

Thank you

If you can not guarantee the item you are going to send me is a brand new (not second hand or damaged) genuine official nintendo ds lite (not counterfeit or fake) I would like you to cancel the transaction and refund my money.

I have read your bad comments and I am very concerned.

To eBay:

Hello I have this afternoon paid for an item I thought to be genuine, but on reading some bad comments the seller has, which I know I should have done already, I am very concerned that when the item arrives it is going to be second hand (instead fo new), and a fake or counterfeit product (instead of a genuine Nintendo DS Lite). I have mailed my concerns to the seller and advised him if he can not guarantee the item is as described I would like him to cancel the transaction and refund the money. Is there anything else I can do? I must stress I have not as yet received the product, I'm just wondering if there's anything I can do since I only just paid for it. The item number is xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx They has many bad comments about fake, counterfeit, and illegal products, and in fact sending from Japan rather than the UK as listed! Can you get my money back for me before it's sent? Also, there are problems with parts of the customer support section of your Irish website, when you select many problems it does not offer the option to email or call, nothing happens. Kind Regards.

April 28

From seller:

hi my friend, thanks for your msg
pls you don't worry too much. it is a new item in box with good condition
if you are not satisfied with the item when you get it, pls you contact me
i will try my best to help you solve it
wish you have a nice day

hi my friend, thanks for your msg
i have received your payment of the pink item, the item will be sent out to you later today

and i have black color of the item in store, do you want another one?
as the low price of the item, because we have little profit of the item
do you have any other question?
wait for your reply and wish you have a nice day

hi my friend, thanks for your msg
if you dont' like the item, i will cancel the transaction for you and refund you full money to you, is that ok for you?
wait for your reply and wish you have a nice day

To seller:

Hello

Firstly, thank you for your reply, I appreciate you getting back to me so fast.

Also, I understand that you are saying you can make sure the item is in new, boxed, and undamaged, but since you have not confirmed it is a genuine official real Nintendo product, instead of a counterfeit fake illegal product, something I would thoroughly check on receipt of any item, I request that you immediately refund my money and cancel the transaction.

Thanks

From eBay:

Thank you for contacting us regarding your concern on how to cancel your purchased from your seller " tiantianupup" for the console (item 130685750516) you won. I'm glad to assist you with this.

First of all I would like to commend you for being a valued eBay community member. If you've bought a 'Buy It Now' item from a business seller and haven't yet paid for it or received it, you may be able to cancel the purchase without using eBay's Resolution Centre. At this stage, you may want to contact your seller and talk to them about what's happened. If you haven't talked to the seller yet, try giving them a call first--a quick chat is often all it takes to resolve transaction issues.

Here's how to request your seller's phone number:

1. Click the "Advanced" link at the top of most eBay pages.

2. In the "Members" section on the left side of the page, click the "Find contact information" link.

3. Enter the seller's user ID and the item number.

4. Click the "Search" button.

If you can't contact the seller because their phone number is incorrect, please let us know.

When the seller accepts the cancellation, they'll then follow it up in the Resolution Centre. You'll be notified by email and just need to click 'Accept' in this email to complete the cancellation.

If things don't work out with this purchase, we encourage you to leave honest Feedback to let other buyers know about your experience. Don't worry about getting negative Feedback from the seller, because sellers can only leave positive Feedback for buyers (or no Feedback at all).

Here's how to leave Feedback:

1. Go to My eBay.

2. Find the item in the "Purchase History" section.

3. Select "Leave feedback" from the "Actions" drop-down menu.

I trust this is helpful and wish you all the best on eBay in the future.

Kind regards,

Edward Greene

eBay Trust and Safety

April 29, refund received.

hi my friend, thanks for your msg
i have refund you full money to you
pls you have a check, thanks !
and i cancel the transaction for you, hope you can reply it on the ebay. so that we can get back the closing cost, is that ok for you? hope you can help me with this. thanks in advance!
best wishes to you

May 26

From seller:

Hi my friend, I have received a very bad feedback from you .i am writing to you because you make me angry! How can you behavor like this? Get your money back and leave me bad feedback, I have really trust you in the past, I think you are a kindly person and we solved all the problems well by our cooperation. But to my shocking, I received a very bad feedback when I refund you money.
I have never met a person like you, you are not reasonable at all. You are selfish, you are not a good man, I don't you if you are a father /mother, but if you are, I think you are not a good one. You treat me like this, you cannot treat your children well. If you think you are clever having cheated me succsessfully, you are wrong, I feel pity and worried for you.

pls tell me your idea, if you keep quiet, I will continue to send you msgs.
Wait for your reply and wish you have a nice day

To seller:

Are you stupid?

You received negative feedback from me because you advertised the item as a genuine official Nintendo product and that you are selling from the UK.

You would not confirm the item is a genuine official Nintendo product because it is not, it is fake, just like other people that left you feedback have said! Also, you are not in the UK, you are in Japan! You should not be allowed use the word 'Nintendo' in your listing or lie about your location.

You wasted my time, you are a liar, a cheat, and a fraud.

I am not changing my feedback, and further I am contacting eBay to see if they will take some action to stop you selling on the site.

I will not be answering any more of your mails.

From seller:

if i am liar , a cheat, a fraud, what are you?

you are ****!

you get your money back and leave me bad feedback. you are really a bad person!
go to hell early！

I found his last two message annoying, but at the same time I laughed in disbelief at it. I have thought though that if he was messaging a little old lady who had tried to buy a present for her granddaughter she may not take it so well!

I'm surprised I did not receive a more interested message from eBay on my first mention of a counterfeit seller. If possible I would like to get this guy banned from eBay so he cannot rip off and waste the time of anyone else.

BengaLover

Try the ebay Live Help https://cschatlb-na.corp.ebay.com/chat.asp?profile=15 or get onto the ebay community forums where someone with more know how or even an ebay representative may help more.
eBay as a rule is 99% automated and VERY unhelpful.

Yamanoto

If you're expecting ebay to micro-manage your transactions and take any real notice of your concerns (prior to you even being in receipt of the item itself), I think that's somewhat naive tbh.

As you never received the DS, there's no way of knowing whether the item you purchased was kosher or not. You may believe it was dodgy based on the experience of others, but you can't be sure that was the case.

As for the sellers location being misrepresented, this is a common complaint for which Ebay should bear considerable culpability.

StupidLikeAFox

you are really a bad person!
go to hell early！

:pac:

Ironman76

"Go to hell early"

LOVE it, must remember that one.

runswithascript

BengaLover wrote: »

Try the ebay Live Help https://cschatlb-na.corp.ebay.com/chat.asp?profile=15 or get onto the ebay community forums where someone with more know how or even an ebay representative may help more.
eBay as a rule is 99% automated and VERY unhelpful.

Already done, I resent a mail to eBay and I've posted on the forums.

Yamanoto wrote: »

If you're expecting ebay to micro-manage your transactions and take any real notice of your concerns (prior to you even being in receipt of the item itself), I think that's somewhat naive tbh.

No I'm not expecting them to micro-manage my transactions, I'm not sure where you got that from.

What I am expecting them to do is stop people who are clearly lying about their location, and clearly lying about the illegal, fake, fraudulent, counterfeit goods they are pedalling.

Also, I don't need to be in receipt of the item, the seller confirmed the item was fake by refusing to confirm it was not, and it's clear from the many bad feedback comments stating the same this was the case, and yes, as I have said, I should have read them first.

Yamanoto wrote: »

As you never received the DS, there's no way of knowing whether the item you purchased was kosher or not. You may believe it was dodgy based on the experience of others, but you can't be sure that was the case.

Yes I can be sure, see what I previously mentioned in this post, and my original, that he refused to confirm the item was genuine. It's fake, clear as day.

ColHol wrote: »

:pac:

:pac::pac::pac:

Yamanoto

dusf wrote: »

No I'm not expecting them to micro-manage my transactions, I'm not sure where you got that from.

From your initial mail to customer services.

Ebay don't make a habit of acquainting themselves with the nuances of a transaction, unless something demonstrably in contravention of their t's & c's has occurred. Even then, many members are left exasperated by 'cut and paste' stock responses that deal in generalities and fail to give due consideration to specific concerns addressed them.

dusf wrote: »

Also, I don't need to be in receipt of the item, the seller confirmed the item was fake by refusing to confirm it was not

That's a rickety premise imo. Doesn't necessarily follow that the sellers failure to address the point is an admission of anything.

You may suspect you were sold a counterfeit good (and you could well be correct) but without being in receipt of same, a complaint on that basis alone carries little weight.

runswithascript

Yamanoto wrote: »

From your initial mail to customer services.

Ebay don't make a habit of acquainting themselves with the nuances of a transaction, unless something demonstrably in contravention of their t's & c's has occurred.

It has occurred, they have a policy against people selling pirate or counterfeit items.

Yamanoto wrote: »

Even then, many members are left exasperated by 'cut and paste' stock responses that deal in generalities and fail to give due consideration to specific concerns addressed them.

I can relate.

Yamanoto wrote: »

That's a rickety premise imo. Doesn't necessarily follow that the sellers failure to address the point is an admission of anything.

It really really does, and I cannot understand how you are able to look at the case and conclude otherwise.

He was asked twice to confirm it was real, under which circumstances I would have no problem with the transaction. He did not confirm this, and he has many bad reviews which did not confirm it either, rather quite to the contrary.

His cancelling the transaction after being asked to confirm the bona fides of the item can mean only one thing, why else would he give up the money already lodged into his account.

Yamanoto wrote: »

You may suspect you were sold a counterfeit good (and you could well be correct)

I am certainly correct.

Yamanoto wrote: »

but without being in receipt of same, a complaint on that basis alone carries little weight.

Again, his refusal to confirm the item was legitimate, his then refunding the money due to this, and the fact there are so many other buyers confirming the fact gives my case a substantial amount of weight.

Why on Earth else would he cancel the transaction, and can you really think for one moment that despite his selling counterfeit goods to so many others he has suddenly turned over a new leaf?

I really cannot see any logic to your perspective whatsoever, in fact I find it incredibly illogical.

Yamanoto

dusf wrote: »

It has occurred, they have a policy against people selling pirate or counterfeit items.

You cannot prove so in your case, that's incontrovertible.

And that's my point.

Why on Earth else would he cancel the transaction and can you really think for one moment that despite his selling counterfeit goods to so many others he has suddenly turned over a new leaf?...?

There are many reasons a seller may acquiesce to refund without fuss - to extricate themselves from 'difficult' buyers, potential neg's, to quickly re-list the item etc.

Also, this particular sellers feedback - (specifically for sales of DS consoles), is a mixed bag - considerably more positive than negative over the last month. The majority of the 14 neg's left for the seller specify goods arriving from a non-UK location as the cause of dissatisfaction.

None of the neutral feedback left alludes to counterfeit goods.

dusf wrote: »

He keeps messaging me asking me to change the feedback and the purpose of this thread is to ask for advice on what to do about it!

If you're satisfied feedback you left was justified, report or ignore the seller.

BengaLover

There is a paypal policy on recieveing fake items.
AFAIK its in their discretion on a case to case basis, but they may be the only way you will get any real help. Try phoning them, they are quite helpful.

SimonLynch

If someone selling me something calls me 'my friend' I run for the hills. I'm nearly 50 now so I do a lot less running.

RobbingBandit

How much did the DS cost?

Sync

dusf wrote: »

the seller confirmed the item was fake by refusing to confirm it was not

We can now confirm that I am Jesus, because I refuse to say I'm not? :rolleyes:

Eoin

Have I got it right that you asked for a refund, got one within a day (along with quite a friendly response) and then left negative feedback for the seller and called him "a liar, a cheat, and a fraud"?

Unless I've missed something, I'd be pissed off if I was the seller too.

runswithascript

Yamanoto wrote: »

You cannot prove so in your case, that's incontrovertible.

I have enough proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

Despite the seller refunding money he could have kept simply because he would not confirm the item was a genuine Nintendo, and the many feedback comments stating the Nintendos he's selling are fake, for any one to come to the conclusion that he is in fact selling genuine Nintendo products, or that it would be worth taking the risk they are, or that the seller is in fact in the UK despite the many feedback comments to the contrary, there would have to be something wrong with that person.

Yamanoto wrote: »

There are many reasons a seller may acquiesce to refund without fuss - to extricate themselves from 'difficult' buyers, potential neg's, to quickly re-list the item etc.

I was not being a difficult buyer, or making a fuss, on reading the negative reports and many accusations of fraud, AND that he also lies about his location. I asked the seller directly if the item was genuine, and then I asked a second time and he refunded the money. It's hardly unreasonable for me to expect the product I order to be what it's listed as!

Yamanoto wrote: »

Also, this particular sellers feedback - (specifically for sales of DS consoles), is a mixed bag - considerably more positive than negative over the last month. The majority of the 14 neg's left for the seller specify goods arriving from a non-UK location as the cause of dissatisfaction.

Your arithmetic is flawed, of the 14 negative comments, 1 is not in English, 1 is mine, but of those remaining 5 of them report the item as counterfeit, 4 that the item was second hand and/or scratched, 2 that the item was broken, and 2 that the seller was not based in the UK as claimed, and ALL of them that the item was not as described.

How many warning bells would you need exactly before considering that you might be getting ripped off?

Personally, if I can help it I won't take the risk of buying from someone others have reported as selling counterfeit goods especially when it becomes clear the items might be coming from Japan or China, and I don't consider that exceptionally thrifty, just common sense.

Yamanoto wrote: »

None of the neutral feedback left alludes to counterfeit goods.

What? Did you not just read the same negative feedback I did? There is enough in the negative feedback to give anyone in full command of their mental faculties cold feet.

Further, 2 of the neutral feedback comments again confirm the seller's not based in the UK, not that further confirmation is required.

Yamanoto wrote: »

If you're satisfied feedback you left was justified, report or ignore the seller.

I'm unsatisfied my time was wasted, and my feedback is there to help others avoid buying from him.

BengaLover wrote: »

There is a paypal policy on recieveing fake items.
AFAIK its in their discretion on a case to case basis, but they may be the only way you will get any real help. Try phoning them, they are quite helpful.

Will do, thanks!

SimonLynch wrote: »

If someone selling me something calls me 'my friend' I run for the hills. I'm nearly 50 now so I do a lot less running.

Yes! And his poor English would correlate with his location being somewhere other than the UK.

RobbingBandit wrote: »

How much did the DS cost?

Almost €60 including delivery, since ordered one second hand from Ireland for €42 delivered.

Sync wrote: »

We can now confirm that I am Jesus, because I refuse to say I'm not? :rolleyes:

You are taking a leap there.

The fact that it would be ridiculous for anyone to be Jesus, or for anyone to assume someone else is, is not the same as a vendor when being put a reasonable question on the authenticity of the goods they are selling twice to refuse to say they are official products and then refund the money.

Eoin wrote: »

Have I got it right that you asked for a refund, got one within a day (along with quite a friendly response) and then left negative feedback for the seller and called him "a liar, a cheat, and a fraud"?

Overall I did not get a friendly response, did you only read part of the correspondence?

Eoin wrote: »

Unless I've missed something, I'd be pissed off if I was the seller too.

Yes you have missed something, I called him a liar, a cheat, and a fraud, only after receiving a mail of abuse where he told me I was a cheat, a bad parent etc etc, but even before the abuse he was a liar, a cheat, and a fraud.

Also, I don't care how long it took for the refund, he should not be listing items as Nintendo if they are counterfeit! Not that him selling fake goods is not enough to warrant the feedback, but my time was also wasted and I could have been bidding on other items.

SteelyDanJalapeno

I think your negative feedback was uncalled for,

The correspondence looks very helpful and friendly and complied with your refund request straight away, I actually cant understand why you left him negative feedback at all?

It was only after you left him the feedback he became disgruntled, and rightly so.

runswithascript

TiltedBrain wrote: »

The correspondence looks very helpful and friendly and complied with your refund request straight away, I actually cant understand why you left him negative feedback at all?

Would you be happy to wait over a week and receive a counterfeit item that ended up coming from Japan instead of China? I would not.

My time was wasted by his fraudulent listing of the item.

bellylint

dusf wrote: »

Go to hell early

to beat the late evening rush!

s_carnage

I'm totally with the OP here. If the seller was selling counterfeit goods then refund or not other potential buyers deserve to know that the goods aren't real and also the sellers location was not accurate either. Negative feedback is well and truly deserved here IMO.

runswithascript

s_carnage wrote: »

I'm totally with the OP here. If the seller was selling counterfeit goods then refund or not other potential buyers deserve to know that the goods aren't real and also the sellers location was not accurate either. Negative feedback is well and truly deserved here IMO.

Surely the people here who have said they disagree would like when buying to have warnings in the form of negative feedback available to help them decide whether or not to purchase.

s_carnage

dusf wrote: »

Surely the people here who have said they disagree would like when buying to have warnings in the form of negative feedback available to help them decide whether or not to purchase.

Exactly, I'm actually quite surprised at the posters saying you were in the wrong at leaving bad feedback. This is exactly what feedback is for on eBay when you are effectively buying blind.

jor el

To be honest, the negative feedback seems a bit harsh. You cancelled your purchase and he refunded you in full, before anything was ever sent out. He didn't have to do that, he could have made you wait for it to arrive so you could see for yourself what it was and where it came from, and then have to go through the dispute process.

As it stands, you don't know for certain that he was selling counterfeit products, or where they would be posted from. You're basing your feedback on other feedback comments, which may or may not themselves be accurate. Either way, your feedback should have been based on your actual experience (you bought, cancelled and got an immediate refund), and not on what you think could have happened.

Even if he is a scammer, he is right to feel hard done by in this situation.

eBay will not intervene in this, nor will they act on a single report from you. Don't expect anything more from them. You've done all you can do (or more) and you have your money back. Leave it at that.

runswithascript

s_carnage wrote: »

Exactly, I'm actually quite surprised at the posters saying you were in the wrong at leaving bad feedback. This is exactly what feedback is for on eBay when you are effectively buying blind.

As am I!

Yes I did not actually receive the counterfeit item, but with all the other negative feedback about the legitimacy of the items, condition of the items, his lying about where he's located, and his refusal to twice confirm the item was genuine, that's all the proof anyone needs with common sense that he should be avoided.

runswithascript

jor el wrote: »

To be honest, the negative feedback seems a bit harsh. You cancelled your purchase and he refunded you in full, before anything was ever sent out. He didn't have to do that, he could have made you wait for it to arrive so you could see for yourself what it was and where it came from, and then have to go through the dispute process.

You seem to be missing the point that he should not be selling counterfeit goods in the first place, it's all on him.

jor el wrote: »

As it stands, you don't know for certain that he was selling counterfeit products, or where they would be posted from. You're basing your feedback on other feedback comments, which may or may not themselves be accurate. Either way, your feedback should have been based on your actual experience (you bought, cancelled and got an immediate refund), and not on what you think could have happened.

I based my decision not only on the other feedback comments, but also his blatant refusal to confirm the goods were genuine, and his English is not that of most people living in the UK. And to anyone reading this that might be considering posting that he may not be a native Briton etc, please spare me.

jor el wrote: »

Even if he is a scammer, he is right to feel hard done by in this situation.

I can hardly believe what I am reading here, you are telling me that someone attempting to defraud me should feel hard done by? I see your the moderator of this forum which makes me all the more surprised. Again, you just said the person attempting to defraud me should feel hard done by that I am attempting to warn others.

I had to read what you said twice to be certain.

jor el wrote: »

eBay will not intervene in this, nor will they act on a single report from you. Don't expect anything more from them. You've done all you can do (or more) and you have your money back. Leave it at that.

Well it's likely not the only report, and I'll do all I can to get eBay to take action.

SteelyDanJalapeno

The feedback you left should be for your transaction and experience with the seller, you got replies to all your mails what looks to be fairly soon, you got your refund without hassle or fuss, and your claiming he was trying to sell you a counterfeit product that you never even had in your possession, I don't understand how you know there was anything wrong with the product at all, since you never even had the thing.

The feedback should of been based on your experience, and from what I can see, that was pain free refund process.

runswithascript

TiltedBrain wrote: »

The feedback you left should be for your transaction and experience with the seller

It is, read it.

Seller in Japan, not UK. Couldn't confirm Nintendo DS Lite wasn't fake. Refunded

TiltedBrain wrote: »

your claiming he was trying to sell you a counterfeit product that you never even had in your possession, I don't understand how you know there was anything wrong with the product at all, since you never even had the thing.

It's very simple, I know because I asked him and he would not confirm it was legitimate - twice. It's not a hard question for him to answer, a simple yes would have sufficed.

runswithascript

And it wasn't a pain free refund process, I should not have been put into a position under false pretences where a refund was required in the first place.

It wasn't that I received a damaged item and a seller replaced it or refunded quickly, that would be fine and I would not leave negative feedback. Instead I was put in a position where my time was wasted, I had to worry whether or not I would be refunded, and all of this was not due to faulty goods, it was due to the seller deliberately lying, cheating, and falsely advertising.

jor el

dusf wrote: »

It's very simple, I know because I asked him and he would not confirm it was legitimate - twice. It's not a hard question for him to answer, a simple yes would have sufficed.

Beyond his failure to confirm anything, you don't know anything more. You cannot say that this was not a genuine article, because you never received it. Feedback is for you to give your feedback on the specific sale in question, not to make assumptions (no matter how you came to those assumptions) about what might happen.

dusf wrote:

I can hardly believe what I am reading here, you are telling me that someone attempting to defraud me should feel hard done by? I see your the moderator of this forum which makes me all the more surprised. Again, you just said the person attempting to defraud me should feel hard done by that I am attempting to warn others.

And I can't understand how you don't see what others are saying to you; you didn't receive anything from the seller, and apart from other feedback you don't know for sure that he was going to send you a counterfeit product. Sellers can sell both genuine and knock off items. All you know for sure is when you questioned him about it, he wouldn't give a straight answer (often hard to get from people when they speak a different language than you), but did refund your money.

Beyond reporting your concerns to eBay, and perhaps neutral feedback based on his evasion of your questions, you shouldn't have done anything more.

dusf wrote:

I see your the moderator of this forum which makes me all the more surprised.

So I'm not entitled to a different opinion because I'm a mod? That's a new one on me. Besides which, unless I'm moderating the thread my mod status is irrelevant to this conversation, or to my opinion.

runswithascript

jor el wrote: »

Beyond his failure to confirm anything, you don't know anything more.

I know he would not confirm the item was genuine, and I know one good reason for him not being able to do that.

jor el wrote: »

You cannot say that this was not a genuine article, because you never received it.

I can say it is likely to be counterfeit, beyond a reasonable doubt.

Would you really be comfortable ordering from this seller after everything I have said, if not, why not, you must surely suspect the items he's selling to be counterfeit.

jor el wrote: »

Feedback is for you to give your feedback on the specific sale in question, not to make assumptions (no matter how you came to those assumptions) about what might happen.

My feedback is based on the sale in question, read it in my previous post, it mentions his refusal to confirm that the item was legit, and that he's in the UK. Those are not assumptions, that's what happened.

jor el wrote: »

And I can't understand how you don't see what others are saying to you; you didn't receive anything from the seller, and apart from other feedback you don't know for sure that he was going to send you a counterfeit product.

Again, considering all information available to me I know beyond a reasonable doubt he was going to send me counterfeit goods.

jor el wrote: »

Sellers can sell both genuine and knock off items.

And you think I should risk my money with someone who sells counterfeit? A crude businessman you are not.

jor el wrote: »

All you know for sure is when you questioned him about it, he wouldn't give a straight answer

And what possible reason could he have for not giving a straight answer? There is only one.

jor el wrote: »

(often hard to get from people when they speak a different language than you), but did refund your money.

He understood English well enough to send me a tirade of abuse, which has been continuing since my OP. He knew what I was asking, which is why he refunded the money the second time when he knew I would not like the answer.

jor el wrote: »

Beyond reporting your concerns to eBay, and perhaps neutral feedback based on his evasion of your questions, you shouldn't have done anything more.

He wasted my time, and had funds belonging to me for a period due to a sale under false pretences. Negative feedback is warranted, and then some.

It has been put to me in this thread that I really cannot do much, and eBay won't do much, either way I still believe his behaviour would warrant expulsion from the website, and if I could make that happen I would do so with a clear conscience.

jor el wrote: »

So I'm not entitled to a different opinion because I'm a mod? That's a new one on me.

And what's new on me is somebody saying you are not entitled to a different opinion because you are a moderator, in what thread did you read someone saying that to you?

I am surprised that anyone, especially a mod of an Online Buying & Auctions forum, would say some scammer selling fake, fraudulent, counterfeit goods under false pretences, and lying about their location should justifiably feel hard done by when an honest buyer is trying to warn others of him.

jor el wrote: »

Besides which, unless I'm moderating the thread my mod status is irrelevant to this conversation, or to my opinion.

Again, you seem to have misread my previous reply.

Yamanoto

dusf wrote: »

I was not being a difficult buyer

Are you the buyer below with a feedback score of 6?

http://myworld.ebay.ie/fsud

If so, of those 6 transactions, you've left 2 negs for sellers.

Perhaps the other neg was justified, but the common consensus with regard to this one appears to be at odds with your interpretation.

Given the correspondence you chose to publish, neither you nor the seller covered yourselves in glory tbh.

runswithascript

Yamanoto wrote: »

Perhaps the other neg was justified, but the common consensus with regard to this one appears to be at odds with your interpretation.

Considering your grasp on arithmetic earlier when you mistakenly, or perhaps intentionally claimed the majority of the sellers negative comments were about his not being in the UK rather than his pedalling of counterfeit goods, I am not sure how much weight I would give your claim regarding the common consensus.

Yamanoto wrote: »

Given the correspondence you chose to publish, neither you nor the seller covered yourselves in glory tbh.

I published all correspondence up until the time of posting.

Everything I said about the seller was accurate, correct, and true, and what on earth has a transaction via eBay got to do with glory...

Yamanoto

jor el wrote: »

As it stands, you don't know for certain that he was selling counterfeit products, or where they would be posted from. You're basing your feedback on other feedback comments, which may or may not themselves be accurate. Either way, your feedback should have been based on your actual experience (you bought, cancelled and got an immediate refund), and not on what you think could have happened.

That's the absolute essence of it.

runswithascript

Yamanoto wrote: »

That's the absolute essence of it.

And I have answered that comment and pointed out where it is incorrect, I am not going to do it a second time just for you, please read my replies rather than recycling other people's posts.

jor el

The circles this thread is going in are pointless. Since you don't seem to want anything from this thread it is best closed.