Gatso vans

Cuddlesworth

Has anybody heard anything solid regarding the new vans taking pictures of the rear of vehicles?

aujopimur

No.

Run_to_da_hills

I believe they have the technology to do so whether they do it or not, I wouldn't take chances.

FatherLen

i have seen the flash from the vans more than once and have never had anything come from it so i dont think they photograph the back of the bikes. however i have heard that the newer vans have front facing cameras but who knows.

pa990

the camera looks out the back window of the van..

so it can get the rear reg if you are driving away from it

Cuddlesworth

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I believe they have the technology to do so whether they do it or not, I wouldn't take chances.

I had heard as much, but hadn't actually seen anything concrete since they came out. It was definitely a new van. I guess I'll find out in six months time........

pa990

they can and do take pics of bikes from the rear, just as they take pics of cars from the rear.
But sometimes bike plates are hard to read due to their small size/location/tax disc etc.

there are cameras on the front of the van, but that is just cctv for the operators safety. they do not have any other purpose.

the mobile speed cameras can monitor multiple lanes and multiple directions at once (as long as there isnt a barrier in the way, ie concrete divider on a motor way)

this http://video.dailytelegraph.com.au/1540636885/High-tech-speed-cameras is the same technology that is used in the GoSafe vans.
There are some diffences, such as the irish ones only use one radar antenna

Run_to_da_hills

I use to have a tiny plate on the back of the GIXR, had to get rid of it because of these cams. They are pulling you over for this stuff a lot more than they used to.

bladespin

Yes, recently took posession of two of their finest thanks to the rear plate on the car.

daenerysstormborn3

I presume you're asking this in relation to bikes.

There used to be a speed camera van parked out near WIT all the time. When himself was in college out there, he passed it all the time doing well over the speed limit sometimes. He was in college from October 2009 up to May 2011 and never got a fine and it's well past the time limits now to issue one. May not be "concrete" but proof enough for the two of us.

BlackWizard

I was out for a spin on my bike with a few others after work. There is a camera with it's rear facing us on the N81 away from Dublin. We all flew by it while over taking and above the speed limit. It's happened before and I never got anything in the post. I hope this doesn't change! I don't abuse it but it just means I can overtake the huge queues of cars going slow and causing traffic build-up when they see the vans.

Del2005

I always wondered with the vans if you spotted one and you where "exceeding the posted limit" could you just stop beside it and wait a few minutes then continue on. They'd have an image of a bike approaching at one time and several minutes later a bike on the other camera, how do they proof it's the same bike with a big time gap?

It'll also have the benefit of freaking out the operator, there's no law against checking your bike at the side of a road (apart from motorways but they don't check them with vans).

are you serious

There is no camera pointing out of the front of the Gatso vans.

There is only rear facing camera's.

It all depends on which way the van is facing.

The reason most bikers do not get prosecuted is because almost all of the time the van will be facing in the same direction you are travelling.

prunudo

are you serious wrote: »

The reason most bikers do not get prosecuted is because almost all of the time the van will be facing in the same direction you are travelling.

Not true I'm afraid to say as blade spin says below and also a friend of my recently got 2 points with the rear plate in his car while driving away from the van. Maybe bikes are harder to get a target fix on or the plates angle or size make them to difficult to read.

bladespin wrote: »

Yes, recently took posession of two of their finest thanks to the rear plate on the car.

lostboy

approached one doing 100 in an 80 zone there 2 weeks ago, came around the corner and it was there, slowed down to about 60 by the time i was passing it, havent heard anything yet.

when i was coming back i could see a fairly large camera with night vision and all that jazz sitting out the back window, dont think you could possibly fit such a camera pointing out the front.

im thinking if they did have such a camera they would have only a calibrated image of a bike approaching at speed that kind of looks a bit like mine, then they would have another calibrated image of my bike showing its reg doing a legal speed.

are you serious

jvan wrote: »

Not true I'm afraid to say as blade spin says below and also a friend of my recently got 2 points with the rear plate in his car while driving away from the van. Maybe bikes are harder to get a target fix on or the plates angle or size make them to difficult to read.

Thats exactly why I said most......

Because most of the time the gatso van is pointing in the direction you are travelling with the camera pointing out the rear of the van. . .

The only way bladespin would have been caught would have been with the gatso van facing into the traffic with its rear then pointing at the traffic as it drives away. .

prunudo

are you serious wrote: »

Thats exactly why I said most......

Because most of the time the gatso van is pointing in the direction you are travelling with the camera pointing out the rear of the van. . .

The only way bladespin would have been caught would have been with the gatso van facing into the traffic with its rear then pointing at the traffic as it drives away. .

Fair enough, i can only go on my friends case, the van was on the opposite side of the road and caught him as he was driving away from it therefore taking a picture of his rear plate. He noticed the flash but hadn't noticed the van itself.

Morale of the story, keep your eyes peeled for white vans pulled in at strange angles on the road ahead.

paddy147

Ask to see the "Speed Calibration Cert" for the gatso van in question for that particular day.

If the garda cant produce it in court or says he hasnt got it on him,,then case thrown out and you get away with it.

mb1725

paddy147 wrote: »

Ask to see the "Speed Calibration Cert" for the gatso van in question for that particular day.

If the garda cant produce it in court or says he hasnt got it on him,,then case thrown out and you get away with it.

Wouldn't bank on that, a recent Macroom court challenge to a (motorist's) speeding fine heard:
"Gardai acting on behalf of the Director of Public Prosecutions told the court that under the 2002 Road Traffic Act the burden is not on the prosecution to prove that the electronic or other apparatus used to detect speeding is accurate or in good working order."

http://www.corkman.ie/news/id-rather-go-to-jail-than-pay-dodgy-speeding-fine-3098563.html

gone_fishing

mb1725 wrote: »

Wouldn't bank on that, a recent Macroom court challenge to a (motorist's) speeding fine heard:
"Gardai acting on behalf of the Director of Public Prosecutions told the court that under the 2002 Road Traffic Act the burden is not on the prosecution to prove that the electronic or other apparatus used to detect speeding is accurate or in good working order."

http://www.corkman.ie/news/id-rather-go-to-jail-than-pay-dodgy-speeding-fine-3098563.html

Typical court rubish, guilty until proven innocent and its ment to be the other way around

Hotblack Desiato

paddy147 wrote: »

Ask to see the "Speed Calibration Cert" for the gatso van in question for that particular day.

If the garda cant produce it in court or says he hasnt got it on him,,then case thrown out and you get away with it.

Even if that could work, it's not worth challenging the usual fixed penalty notice unless it's going to push you over the edge for a ban*. The government know this, the whole system is designed to make challenging it not worth the hassle.

You'll have to engage a solicitor to challenge it in court and have any hope of winning, and if you lose then you get double points and probably a much larger fine.


* and if you have enough points to be near a ban, you really should be careful...

paddy147

If asked fore,then the gardai MUST provide the speed calibration cert for the gatso camers or lazer gun used to take the speed of the bike or car.

If a motorist asks to see the cert (even on the roadside) then the gardai must provide the cert,proving that the gatso camera or lazer gun was calibrated to be used correctly on that specific date.

Motorists have rights too.

are you serious

paddy147 wrote: »

If asked fore,then the gardai MUST provide the speed calibration cert for the gatso camers or lazer gun used to take the speed of the bike or car.

If a motorist asks to see the cert (even on the roadside) then the gardai must provide the cert,proving that the gatso camera or lazer gun was calibrated to be used correctly on that specific date.

Motorists have rights too.

I would be very interested to know where your getting this information from?

bladespin

paddy147 wrote: »

If asked fore,then the gardai MUST provide the speed calibration cert for the gatso camers or lazer gun used to take the speed of the bike or car.

If a motorist asks to see the cert (even on the roadside) then the gardai must provide the cert,proving that the gatso camera or lazer gun was calibrated to be used correctly on that specific date.

Motorists have rights too.

That bit's simply untrue anyway, they will only show you a calibration label at the side of the road if you ask, not sure even then if they are obliged to legally (but they will usually show it).

goodlad

I went past one a while ago.
The rear window was facing the direction i was travelling.

He clocked my when i passed him and i got a fixed penalty notice in the post along with the the usual pic of the back of the bike.

2 points and a 80 euro fine.

tinyjiney

are you serious wrote: »

I would be very interested to know where your getting this information from?

AFAIK this is common knowledge...to me anyways, my mates a copper...he's been asked to show the calibration cert/sticker more than once....usually by a shyte in a civic though...theyre usually up to date...;)

pa990

tinyjiney wrote: »

AFAIK this is common knowledge...to me anyways, my mates a copper...he's been asked to show the calibration cert/sticker more than once....usually by a shyte in a civic though...theyre usually up to date...;)

your "copper" mate can show the "shyte in a civic" the calibration cert if he wants
.. but there is no legal compulsion for him to do so.

tinyjiney

pa990 wrote: »

your "copper" mate can show the "shyte in a civic" the calibration cert if he wants
.. but there is no legal compulsion for him to do so.

There IS if he's asked to...just as he HAS to give his name and number if asked... :rolleyes:

Cuddlesworth

Ok so the consensus is that the van doesn't have the ability to take pictures from the front, only the rear. So I'm all good. I had heard originally that the new vans as a unit were capable of placing similar cameras in the front to catch both ends of vehicles but we were not arsed installing them. Seems it was true.

As for that calibration ****e, the law was changed for motoring offenses where the burden of proof is on the accused, not the accuser. So good luck with that in court.

bladespin

tinyjiney wrote: »

AFAIK this is common knowledge...to me anyways, my mates a copper...he's been asked to show the calibration cert/sticker more than once....usually by a shyte in a civic though...theyre usually up to date...;)

A calibration label/sticker is NOT a calibration certificate, they're completely different things, one is to verify the equipment was tested, the other states whether it works correctly or not, do not confuse them, your copper mate has not read his manual in this case, I doubt he's even completed training on the equipment.

pa990

tinyjiney wrote: »

pa990 wrote: »

your "copper" mate can show the "shyte in a civic" the calibration cert if he wants
.. but there is no legal compulsion for him to do so.

There IS if he's asked to...just as he HAS to give his name and number if asked... :rolleyes:

Please prove me wrong by providing a link to the relevant legislation, where it states that a calibration cert for speed meters must be produced.

Because you are completely wrong.
The garda didn't even have to show someone the speed a laser gun has registered.

pa990

@ tinyjiney

Thanks for proving yourself wrong

cantdecide

I haven't read the thread but my personal experience of this scenario happened just prior to me leaving Ireland last Autumn. Because of an unfortunately timed overtaking manoeuvre, I ended up zipping past a private GATSO at night time. There was no flash but apparently that's because of infrared technology they now use. I drove toward the back of the van at that was possibly a speed I understand might get me in trouble

I understand it was because the camera aims back and as I drove toward it with no number plate showing, it couldn't see me. I understand there is a camera in the front windscreen for security purposes and I would have had to be travelling in the opposite direction for the speed camera to see my number plate. Ultimately, I never heard any more about it, luckily.

mycro89

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1y6ycG9zgk


The Flash at 18 seconds into the video attached, does this mean the person in question was caught for speeding??

pa990

mycro89 wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1y6ycG9zgk


The Flash at 18 seconds into the video attached, does this mean the person in question was caught for speeding??

no.. it seems to go off for every car that passes, no matter what the speed

BlackWizard

The flash I get is usually stronger

mycro89

So Black Wizard and pa990 am I correct in staying that this flash goes off regardless of the speed? Motorist below the speed limit will see this flash on approaching the van?

Cienciano

BlackWizard wrote: »

The flash I get is usually stronger

Yeah, much bigger flash than the one in the video.

mycro89

So if one was to see this "flash" would it be safe to say no offence occurred?

Cienciano

If you're on a bike you're grand anyway cos they're forward facing. I was flashed by one in the dark on an unlit road and it was like a proper big camera flash.

Wonda-Boy

Correctly positioned tax disc on reg = sorted.

mycro89

What is the purpose of the flash as per the video above?

Wonda-Boy

Usually they pre flash to illuminate the reg and get a clean shot of the reg.....

Mycro 89

Wonda-Boy wrote: »

Usually they pre flash to illuminate the reg and get a clean shot of the reg.....

Is this a pre flash? Or just the standard flash that offending motorist see? Would points be issued following the flash in that video?

Cienciano

Mycro 89 wrote: »

Is this a pre flash? Or just the standard flash that offending motorist see? Would points be issued following the flash in that video?

Not unless you have a numberplate strapped to your forehead

mycro89

Cienciano wrote: »

Not unless you have a numberplate strapped to your forehead

Sorry, but that doesn't exactly answer the question?

Cienciano

mycro89 wrote: »

Sorry, but that doesn't exactly answer the question?

Well, you asked:

Mycro 89 wrote: »

Would points be issued following the flash in that video?

How can they issue points unless they have your reg?
I've heard of cameras in the front of the vans, but never at night.

mycro89

I wanted to know is this the flash that offending motorist see? Or is this a standard flash that all motorist see when passing the van?

Peanut2011

To me the "flash" everyone is talking about looks like just a reflection from the car's front lights against the glass. That is not sufficient enough flash to be the one that the camera emits, and from what I know the van's don't have the flash as they use the infrared beam and therefore don't need the flash, unlike the roadside cameras.

The roadside cameras operate on the two picture system and therefore you get two flashes as that is the first and second picture to compare how far you have travelled in that time and based on the markings on the road it is calculated. The van's cameras are a lot more sophisticated and do not use the same system.

mycro89

The Flash that I am referring to appears to have come from the unit above the doors on the roof? Is it just a reflection of the cars headlights?

Peanut2011

mycro89 wrote: »

The Flash that I am referring to appears to have come from the unit above the doors on the roof? Is it just a reflection of the cars headlights?

yes that is the one I was referring to.