Natural disasters & spiritual warfare

deathbot

As we all know, natural disasters like hurricanes, earthquakes, and twisters have been increasing over the years. Well, God speaks to us through nature as well as through his word. But many have forgotten to read nature, sign reading. We have been taught to look at signs (to see how they work) instead of along them, to see what they mean.

So what could God be saying to us through these events? Jesus did say that in the end times they would increase dramatically, as the end nears, and they are, as we can see.

If a fountain is a good lover, that is something which gives, and a whirlpool is a bad lover, that is something that takes, or steals. Then what does a twister mean? Could it mean a spiritual being which comes to bring destruction and misery. God speaks through the tempest..

Take an earthquake as another example. An earthquake is caused by plates colliding (good vs. evil) which literally rocks the foundation of peoples lives, their homes. Is he emphasising that our spiritual life is more important than our material wealth? I think he is.

It's a very similar explanation with hurricanes. Which are formed by cold winds from the north (northern territories consist of the rich, and powerful) and warm winds from the south (the poor, deprived and often exploited. Think of italy, america etc.).

There is a war going on, and a lot of Christians have let down their guard. Because they don't beleive in 'his' existence anymore, or his demons. Yet this goes against all the gospels, the central theme of Jesus' ministry, spiritual warfare, and 2000 years of church teaching. You can't wage war when there is apparently no enemy to defeat.

Wake up Christians!

Slav

deathbot wrote: »

Wake up Christians!

What time is it??

gimmebroadband

Slav wrote: »

What time is it??

It's The Last Hour!

Doctor DooM

deathbot wrote: »

As we all know, natural disasters like hurricanes, earthquakes, and twisters have been increasing over the years.

http://www.epicdisasters.com/index.php/site/comments/has_there_been_an_increase_in_the_number_of_natural_disasters/

Sacksian

deathbot wrote: »

As we all know, natural disasters like hurricanes, earthquakes, and twisters have been increasing over the years.

Actually, we don't, there has been an increase in reporting and advances in the technology used to identify events e.g. even in places where people don't live, we can measure the strength of hurricanes that form out to sea but don't reach land.

Coupled with technological developments in media/communication, we now know more about - and are exposed to more - disasters happening in far-flung places in the world than we would have 50 years ago.

Run_to_da_hills

Another site that takes natural disasters and primary religion into prospective.

http://israelsmessiah.com/prophecy/end_times/earthquakes.htm

MrPudding

deathbot wrote: »

As we all know, natural disasters like hurricanes, earthquakes, and twisters have been increasing over the years. Well, God speaks to us through nature as well as through his word. But many have forgotten to read nature, sign reading. We have been taught to look at signs (to see how they work) instead of along them, to see what they mean.

So what could God be saying to us through these events? Jesus did say that in the end times they would increase dramatically, as the end nears, and they are, as we can see.

If a fountain is a good lover, that is something which gives, and a whirlpool is a bad lover, that is something that takes, or steals. Then what does a twister mean? Could it mean a spiritual being which comes to bring destruction and misery. God speaks through the tempest..

Take an earthquake as another example. An earthquake is caused by plates colliding (good vs. evil) which literally rocks the foundation of peoples lives, their homes. Is he emphasising that our spiritual life is more important than our material wealth? I think he is.

It's a very similar explanation with hurricanes. Which are formed by cold winds from the north (northern territories consist of the rich, and powerful) and warm winds from the south (the poor, deprived and often exploited. Think of italy, america etc.).

There is a war going on, and a lot of Christians have let down their guard. Because they don't beleive in 'his' existence anymore, or his demons. Yet this goes against all the gospels, the central theme of Jesus' ministry, spiritual warfare, and 2000 years of church teaching. You can't wage war when there is apparently no enemy to defeat.

Wake up Christians!

So I have just checked my atlas. It shows me the plates. It it doesn't feel me which ones are good and which ones are evil. Where do I get this information, as it seems like it could be quite important. I fact, I think a strongly worded letter to the publisher of the atlas may be in order.

MrP

Doc Farrell

What are your specific warfare plans?

martinedwards

huh?

tectonic plates are good v evil?

and weather systems which start as a result of warm air meeting cold air are symptoms of battles in the spirit realms?



what planet is this?

or rather what planet are you ON??????

I do belive that there is a passage in that book... you know the one..... Oh yeah, the BIBLE which says something along the mines of don't be a muppet and try to predict the end of times because only God knows when and he aint telling.

I fear that you may be a little off the mainstream orthodox track

deathbot

Doc Farrell wrote: »

What are your specific warfare plans?

Good question. I'd say the first step would be to be aware and make family members aware, that there is an enemy who is trying to and in the West, quite successfully destroying us, and Gods church. Anyone whio disgress is should be diverted to the gospels. Where Christs mission of spiritual warfare is made evident.

When Christians accept this reality, they will be on guard and with the help of the spirit, be made aware of him attempting to seep into their lives. As he did with mine. My room was full of demonic material. Violent and sex drenched movies, violent video games. Thank God I removed all that stuff and I can live a much more sanctified life. Praying to St.Michael the Archangel can help also. And of course the virgin mother being a formiddable weapon in destroying the enemies power.

We are revolutionaries, fighting to overthrow the prince of this world. Let's face the enemy and deal with it. Taking it day by day.

HamletOrHecuba

deathbot wrote: »

Good question. I'd say the first step would be to be aware and make family members aware, that there is an enemy who is trying to and in the West, quite successfully destroying us, and Gods church. Anyone whio disgress is should be diverted to the gospels. Where Christs mission of spiritual warfare is made evident.

When Christians accept this reality, they will be on guard and with the help of the spirit, be made aware of him attempting to seep into their lives. As he did with mine. My room was full of demonic material. Violent and sex drenched movies, violent video games. Thank God I removed all that stuff and I can live a much more sanctified life. Praying to St.Michael the Archangel can help also. And of course the virgin mother being a formiddable weapon in destroying the enemies power.

We are revolutionaries, fighting to overthrow the prince of this world. Let's face the enemy and deal with it. Taking it day by day.

The Apostasy has been allowed by the will of God and therefore it is extremely foolish for us to try and raise our weak hands against it, it is important for us to study it in order to pull out it's tendrils from our own souls though.

Doc Farrell

Deathbot please be careful about focusing too much on demons and the negative forces in this world.
Instead investigate Matthew 22:34-40 , everything begins and ends with this.
Best wishes.

MrPudding

Doc Farrell wrote: »

Deathbot please be careful about focusing too much on demons and the negative forces in this world.
Instead investigate Matthew 22:34-40 , everything begins and ends with this.
Best wishes.

I think he should investigate some anti-psychotics.

MrP

deathbot

Doc Farrell wrote: »

Deathbot please be careful about focusing too much on demons and the negative forces in this world.
Instead investigate Matthew 22:34-40 , everything begins and ends with this.
Best wishes.

yeah I know, it certainly isn't healthy to be focused on the negative too much. thanks.

deathbot

Another earthquake in Italy, 9 dead..

Benny_Cake

deathbot wrote: »

Another earthquake in Italy, 9 dead..

What does that prove exactly? Earthquakes are tragic, but as old as time itself.

PDN

Benny_Cake wrote: »

What does that prove exactly? Earthquakes are tragic, but as old as time itself.

Good and evil plates colliding apparently

Fanny Cradock

Speaking of Wenger, apart from all the excellent football in the season just gone, this has to be one of the finer moments.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxDn_67OaWA

Anyway, back to anthropomorphic tectonic plates

HamletOrHecuba

Fanny Cradock wrote: »

Anyway, back to anthropomorphic tectonic plates

Nature is ensouled is it not?

In a mysterious way it is conscious and reacts to human deeds. It is even capable of sin.

http://jbburnett.com/resources/barker/barker_enoch%26cosmic-sin.pdf

Christ came to restore the whole of the cosmos that had fallen with with man.

HamletOrHecuba

The idea of the non-human cosmos as some dead machine there just to be plundered and poisoned by human greed is not Christian. It is very said that Christians in recent decades have allowed the ecological movement to be taken over by neo-pagan crazies.

Gurgle

deathbot wrote: »

many have forgotten to read nature, sign reading
a fountain is a good lover,
a whirlpool is a bad lover
An earthquake is caused by plates colliding (good vs. evil)
hurricanes.. are formed by cold winds from the north (northern territories consist of the rich, and powerful) and warm winds from the south (the poor, deprived and often exploited.

Are you sure you're in the right forum?

I'm not intimately familiar with the whole thing, but I have no recollection of any of the above in christian mythology.

martinedwards

deathbot wrote: »

Another earthquake in Italy, 9 dead..

Italy huh?

thats where the Pope lives......







which proves absolutely nothing whatsoever:rolleyes:

Doc Farrell

HamletOrHecuba wrote: »

The idea of the non-human cosmos as some dead machine there just to be plundered and poisoned by human greed is not Christian. It is very said that Christians in recent decades have allowed the ecological movement to be taken over by neo-pagan crazies.

Environmentalists don't need permission from Christians nor do Christians have the power to 'allow' any movement to exist. This is not the 14th century.

Run_to_da_hills

deathbot wrote: »

Another earthquake in Italy, 9 dead..

Priest dies in church collapse while trying to rescue statue.
Religious buildings weakened by last quake are among the worst hit

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2151469/Italy-earthquake-2012-15-dead-5-8-quake-hits-region-7-died-week.html

Doc Farrell

HamletOrHecuba wrote: »

Fanny Cradock wrote: »

Anyway, back to anthropomorphic tectonic plates

Nature is ensouled is it not?

In a mysterious way it is conscious and reacts to human deeds. It is even capable of sin.

http://jbburnett.com/resources/barker/barker_enoch%26cosmic-sin.pdf

Christ came to restore the whole of the cosmos that had fallen with with man.

The trees, mountains and oceans are capable of sin?

HamletOrHecuba

Doc Farrell wrote: »

The trees, mountains and oceans are capable of sin?

If they were not involved in sin than why have they been made subject to corruption and decay, why did God curse the earth?

While we dont fully understand this the fact remains it is as clear as day.

martinedwards

Doc Farrell wrote: »

The trees, mountains and oceans are capable of sin?

well, Isisah 5:12 does talk about mountains and hills bursting into song and trees clapping thier hands.....

I GUESS that it's only a small step to slapping some poor passerby and then singing some offensive rhyme at them......

Doc Farrell

HamletOrHecuba wrote: »

If they were not involved in sin than why have they been made subject to corruption and decay, why did God curse the earth?

While we dont fully understand this the fact remains it is as clear as day.

The idea that matter itself is evil is called Gnosticism, an old old old heresy.
John 16:33

deathbot

PDN wrote: »

Good and evil plates colliding apparently

I never meant that tectonic plates were good or evil, the collision is a metaphor for the spiritual warfare active today. If ridicule is your thing, go for it.

HamletOrHecuba

Doc Farrell wrote: »

The idea that matter itself is evil is called Gnosticism, an old old old heresy.
John 16:33

The Gnostics believed that matter was evil in essence, or at least the product of a fallen being- now where did I say that matter was essentially evil? All things were created by God, and created good (something denied by those we teach the heresy of "Evolution")- we learn that from the Bible, in which we also learn that God cursed the earth.

PDN

deathbot wrote: »

I never meant that tectonic plates were good or evil, the collision is a metaphor for the spiritual warfare active today. If ridicule is your thing, go for it.

Some posts invite ridicule by their lack of coherence.

Perhaps you could clarify who or what you think is making a metaphor?

A metaphor is a non-literal figure of speech that denotes something else. For example, if I said, "The rats are deserting the sinking ship" when talking about Liverpool fans, then the metaphor is clear.

However, if I made such a statement while referencing literal events where literal rats were jumping off literal ships, then it would be rather nonsensical to claim it was solely a metaphor for Liverpool fans.

So, just to clarify, are you using the collision of literal tectonic plates as a metaphor for spiritual forces? If so, why on earth would you refer to literal earthquakes as if their frequency added any sense whatsoever to the metaphor?

Doc Farrell

HamletOrHecuba wrote: »

Doc Farrell wrote: »

The idea that matter itself is evil is called Gnosticism, an old old old heresy.
John 16:33

The Gnostics believed that matter was evil in essence, or at least the product of a fallen being- now where did I say that matter was essentially evil? All things were created by God, and created good (something denied by those we teach the heresy of "Evolution")- we learn that from the Bible, in which we also learn that God cursed the earth.

For the sake of clarity, the various theories of evolution have been accepted by the Catholic church officially since the 1940's so it's not a heresy to teach Evolution and to suggest otherwise, as a Catholic, is incorrect.

HamletOrHecuba

Doc Farrell wrote: »

For the sake of clarity, the various theories of evolution have been accepted by the Catholic church officially since the 1940's so it's not a heresy to teach Evolution and to suggest otherwise, as a Catholic, is incorrect.

First time that I have heard this; do you have a link?

And as Evolution is in clear contradiction to both Sacred Scripture and the Tradition of the Church it most certainly is heresy.

Benny_Cake

HamletOrHecuba wrote: »

First time that I have heard this; do you have a link?

And as Evolution is in clear contradiction to both Sacred Scripture and the Tradition of the Church it most certainly is heresy.

From the church's International Theological Commission:

63. According to the widely accepted scientific account, the universe erupted 15 billion years ago in an explosion called the “Big Bang” and has been expanding and cooling ever since. Later there gradually emerged the conditions necessary for the formation of atoms, still later the condensation of galaxies and stars, and about 10 billion years later the formation of planets. In our own solar system and on earth (formed about 4.5 billion years ago), the conditions have been favorable to the emergence of life. While there is little consensus among scientists about how the origin of this first microscopic life is to be explained, there is general agreement among them that the first organism dwelt on this planet about 3.5-4 billion years ago. Since it has been demonstrated that all living organisms on earth are genetically related, it is virtually certain that all living organisms have descended from this first organism. Converging evidence from many studies in the physical and biological sciences furnishes mounting support for some theory of evolution to account for the development and diversification of life on earth, while controversy continues over the pace and mechanisms of evolution. While the story of human origins is complex and subject to revision, physical anthropology and molecular biology combine to make a convincing case for the origin of the human species in Africa about 150,000 years ago in a humanoid population of common genetic lineage. However it is to be explained, the decisive factor in human origins was a continually increasing brain size, culminating in that of homo sapiens. With the development of the human brain, the nature and rate of evolution were permanently altered: with the introduction of the uniquely human factors of consciousness, intentionality, freedom and creativity, biological evolution was recast as social and cultural evolution.

64. Pope John Paul II stated some years ago that “new knowledge leads to the recognition of the theory of evolution as more than a hypothesis. It is indeed remarkable that this theory has been progressively accepted by researchers following a series of discoveries in various fields of knowledge”(“Message to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences on Evolution”1996). In continuity with previous twentieth century papal teaching on evolution (especially Pope Pius XII’s encyclical Humani Generis ), the Holy Father’s message acknowledges that there are “several theories of evolution” that are “materialist, reductionist and spiritualist” and thus incompatible with the Catholic faith. It follows that the message of Pope John Paul II cannot be read as a blanket approbation of all theories of evolution, including those of a neo-Darwinian provenance which explicitly deny to divine providence any truly causal role in the development of life in the universe. Mainly concerned with evolution as it “involves the question of man,” however, Pope John Paul’s message is specifically critical of materialistic theories of human origins and insists on the relevance of philosophy and theology for an adequate understanding of the “ontological leap” to the human which cannot be explained in purely scientific terms. The Church’s interest in evolution thus focuses particularly on “the conception of man” who, as created in the image of God, “cannot be subordinated as a pure means or instrument either to the species or to society.” As a person created in the image of God, he is capable of forming relationships of communion with other persons and with the triune God, as well as of exercising sovereignty and stewardship in the created universe. The implication of these remarks is that theories of evolution and of the origin of the universe possess particular theological interest when they touch on the doctrines of the creation ex nihilo and the creation of man in the image of God.

You can read the full document here.

HamletOrHecuba

Thanks I knew about this document-I was hoping for evidence of official recognition in the 1940s.

Humani Generis is problematic because of its lack of ambiguity, but it doesnt actually support the theory of Evolution which states that the world was not created good and that man evolved from apes.

deathbot

PDN wrote: »

Some posts invite ridicule by their lack of coherence.

Perhaps you could clarify who or what you think is making a metaphor?

A metaphor is a non-literal figure of speech that denotes something else. For example, if I said, "The rats are deserting the sinking ship" when talking about Liverpool fans, then the metaphor is clear.

However, if I made such a statement while referencing literal events where literal rats were jumping off literal ships, then it would be rather nonsensical to claim it was solely a metaphor for Liverpool fans.

So, just to clarify, are you using the collision of literal tectonic plates as a metaphor for spiritual forces? If so, why on earth would you refer to literal earthquakes as if their frequency added any sense whatsoever to the metaphor?

Okay, I simply tried to explain that the collision of plates, and the increased happennings of such events, seemingly, could be God reminding Christians of different 'collision' in the spiritual world. To even suggest I think tectonic plates, made of rock are actually evil? give me a break. I expect such ridicule from non beleivers..

You know what I was trying to say, even though it might not have been clear. The intention was good, a warning to fellow Christians. I can't imagine how Christ would have mocked my attempt to help others, as amusing as it might be to some. Even if he wouldn't have praised it. I had good intentions.

MrPudding

deathbot wrote: »

Okay, I simply tried to explain that the collision of plates, and the increased happennings of such events, seemingly

Genuine question, is there evidence of increased happenings of such event? Over what timeframe are you talking about?

MrP

skoomi

deathbot wrote: »

As we all know, natural disasters like hurricanes, earthquakes, and twisters have been increasing over the years.

Before I read the rest of your post, could you be so kind as to give me the the hurricane, earthquake and twister records of the years 1346 and 1812?

I'm just curious.

Also I never knew we had frequent earthquakes and hurricanes in Ireland.

Okay, I simply tried to explain that the collision of plates, and the increased happennings of such events, seemingly, could be God reminding Christians of different 'collision' in the spiritual world.

So god tried to remind you of some "collisions in the spiritual world" by sending almost 24,000 Japanese people to a horrid, watery, and most likely bloody grave? To be honest it does sound exactly like something from the beautiful book of goodness known as The Bible but you can't actually believe that the tsunami was a signal to Christians such as yourself. If you can figure out how to work the internet then there is no way you can believe that.

Therefore I think you are a troll.