Help me review yesterdays card

ryaner777

OK, So we played Knightsbrook yesterday and had a pretty bad day on the course, The weather was amazing and the course was in great condition but just couldn't put a string of decent scores together.

I played off 18 as I don't have an official handicap

Any holes I scratched that I did have a putt on for at least a point have these listed but as you can see I missed allot of these putts.

Here is the card


Any ideas, suggestions, observations or plain and simple advice would be greatly appreciated.

Any questions please feel free to ask.

Thanks

Dr_Colossus

Firstly your putts total is incorrect, as per your card the total should be 36 and not 55 which would be very bad and ruin any card.
For all your 0 pointers where were you loosing the shots, drives out of bounds, duffed second shots, bad iron shots, bladed or duffed chips shots etc.

ryaner777

Yeah sorry didn't take the puts total out before creating the picture.

didn't have many out of bounds, lost two balls and there was maybe 4 duffed shots in the whole round.

Half my scores came on index 1-9, just can't seem to out a run of pars or bogeys together without having 3 or 4 scraches in between.

I'm generally putting myself into scoring positions and getting to the green in 3 shots. yesterday though I seemed to be miles away from the flag when I hit the green and this set me up to 3 putt every hole.

irish bloke

ryaner777 wrote: »

Yeah sorry didn't take the puts total out before creating the picture.

didn't have many out of bounds, lost two balls and there was maybe 4 duffed shots in the whole round.

Half my scores came on index 1-9, just can't seem to out a run of pars or bogeys together without having 3 or 4 scraches in between.

I'm generally putting myself into scoring positions and getting to the green in 3 shots. yesterday though I seemed to be miles away from the flag when I hit the green and this set me up to 3 putt every hole.

Its not your putting you have to be worried about. 36 putts is quite respectable at 18h/cap level.

8 scratches and 2 one pointers with this many putts would point somewhere else.

Why dont you keep your fairways hit and greens in regulation stats the next time you go out playing, that should give you a better picture of whats going on and where you need to focus.

ryaner777

will do, was advised by someone to get a stroke saver and mark everywhere on it that the ball lands and then review it hole by hole to spot what needs to be worked on.

Has anyone ever tried this ? Has it worked or showed you anything you didn't already know ?

irish bloke

Actually, looking at your card again you had 16.66% GIR.

You hit the 12th, 13th and the 18th in reg. Thats not the best by a long shot.

ryaner777

irish bloke wrote: »

Actually, looking at your card again you had 16.66% GIR.

You hit the 12th, 13th and the 18th in reg. Thats not the best by a long shot.

how man shots count for GIR ?

Is that hitting the green in 3 on a par for 4 ? and leaving a par put ?

irish bloke

Taken straight from Google...


Definition: A statistical category on the pro tours and a popular method for amateurs and recreational players to rate their rounds.

To achieve a green in regulation, your ball must be on the putting surface in the expected number of strokes in relation to par. The par for a hole always includes two putts, so to achieve a GIR on a par-3, you must reach the green with your first shot (on the green in one, two putts for par). On a par-4, you must reach in two shots (on the green in two, two putts for par). On a par-5, you must reach in three shots. To claim a GIR, your ball must be on the putting surface. Being 1-inch off the green, in the fringe, but still able to putt the ball does not count. The ball must be on the putting surface.
Also Known As: GIR, greenie (slang)

ryaner777

Nice one, So GIR is the order of busines for this weekends round so.

Fingers crossed for an extra few points !

golfnut1

Very basic course management could also help like teeing up on the same side as the worst trouble and hitting away from it.
Manage your misses.
Also be realistic about your ability and hit the shot you can not the shot you think you should. If you hit your 3 wood 180 no point trying to bust one to a pin 200.

ryaner777

I've got a hybrid I'm hitting about 175. Most drives on par fours are leaving me between the 150 marker and 180 to the green

Thinking about the last comments a good few of the approach shots I hit yesterday ended up going through the green or 10 yards right or left leaving me a chip into the green.

If I can work on getting these shots more accurate it should put me in a lot stronger position scoring wise.

Any ideas of anywhere i'd be able to get 9 holes in at around 7am tomorrow morning? in north dublin ?

As close to dublin 15 as possible would be great ?

Cheers lads for all the help.

TheDoc

instead of 8 scratches, you could have had 8 1 pointers.

Thats a big difference.

At 18 handicapp I wouldnt get bogged down in hitting greens and sitching pins, bursting the fairways with drivers and ripping back spin with your wedges.

Just work on that short game, get something comfortable and confident that when you look in the ****, you can call on to get you 1 point.

Think about it, it would appear you scratched 8 holes, if those 8 holes were par 4's that means you had a 7 or worse.

1) Drive
2)Iron to lay up
3)Chip into green
4)putt
5)putt

That is 2 points, for 8 holes, is another 16 points.

I'm not advocating that as a way to play golf, but its a thought process that might help if your constantly scratching par 4's.

Its something I've impleneted a little into my game. Instead of getting pissed over **** shots and stressing to **** trying to save a par, accept a par would be great, but try secure 2 points, and at worst 1 point.

I had a 40 pointer round there two weeks ago and there was three holes that were easily going to be scratches, only for I just said get on the green and with two putts walk away with a point ( and I held the putt for 2 points on each)

ryaner777

cheers Doc thats some great advice and something I think would help anyone starting out in this game.

Never looked at it like that before, and those 16 extra points could be easily achieved.

Thanks again

link_2007

ryaner777 wrote: »

cheers Doc thats some great advice and something I think would help anyone starting out in this game.

Never looked at it like that before, and those 16 extra points could be easily achieved.

Thanks again

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slave1

Well done on 18, great par to finish!

ryaner777

link_2007 wrote: »

:eek::eek::eek::eek:

HA HA, maybe easy was a bit much !

ryaner777

slave1 wrote: »

Well done on 18, great par to finish!

cheers, was delighted with that finish cause it meant I beat by brother by one and got a few bob out of it.

Actually got a jammy bounce off the edge of the bunker and it ended up about six foot away from the hole from the tee. ( had to two putt from there )

Great finishing par 3 in knightsbrook and looked great in the sun yesterday.

mike12

Just wondering what your best round to date is? Maybe you should be playing off 28 if you are just starting out. Distance control is something you could look at if you are flying thru greens u are taking too much club. For a 18 handicapper get a distance to the middle of the green and that way you will have at least 10 yards every direction to miss the green leaving you on more GIR, putting seems ok to me.

ryaner777

mike12 wrote: »

Just wondering what your best round to date is? Maybe you should be playing off 28 if you are just starting out. Distance control is something you could look at if you are flying thru greens u are taking too much club. For a 18 handicapper get a distance to the middle of the green and that way you will have at least 10 yards every direction to miss the green leaving you on more GIR, putting seems ok to me.

Last summer played luttrelstown and had 28 points off 22.

When out with the lads and brother we usually all play off 18 as it keeps things simple and we are all around the same ability.

Will hopefully get to join a club this summer and get a proper handicap for the first time.

TheDoc

ryaner777 wrote: »

HA HA, maybe easy was a bit much !

Thats the thing, its not, but mentally you will think it is.

Think about it. You play off 18. If you got two points on every hole, you would get 36 points. Now lets just look at that, really.

Par 3

Iron or wood close to the green
A little chip or a bump and run
Two putts

Par 4
A safe drive, dont have to burst it.
A safe iron close to the green, just close enough.
A little chip or a bump and run to the flag
Two putts

Par 5
A safe drive
A wood, but I'm off 18, I might top it
Another wood
A little chip into the green
Two putts


Im up to 11 at the moment, and my mindset on those eleven holes where I have a shot, is to walk away with ideally a par. I know I can do it, so I aim for it, but if its looking dodgy or its feeling risky, I'll settle for the bogey. At the absolute worst I'll take a 1

There are difficult aspects to golf

Getting your swing right
Getting up and down
Hitting high draws
Hitting low fades
Getting spin with the ball with a wedge

But shooting +18 par to come in with 36 point is not difficult. Its gets tough if you start gunning for pins, your off 18, your going to cut balls right of the green, your going to hook balls right of the green.

Keep it safe and consistent and your handicapp will do the work for you.

And while your maintain solid scores you can work on aspects of your game and integrate it in week by week month by month.

TheDoc

Also note that it appears your relatively new to the game playing with the lads etc.

Might not be for everyone

But the first thing my Da taught me playing golf was the bump and run. Depending on where you are just off the green, a little 9 iron or 8 iron and just using it like a putter to run the ball in.

Its easy to get used to, and its a relatively safe shot, you wont duff it, you wont bone it you wont shank it.

I think most golfers starting out struggle with accuracy and distance control, so having something that you can call on to get you from off the green in and around 10 feet will do you the world of good.

**** I've been recently trying to learn how to check the ball at will and stuff like that,

Tweaking my wrists, accelerate into the ball and cut accross it on impact, it kinda pops the ball up higher but generates outrageous spin.

Was having a bad weekend so reverted back to my 9 iron bump and run, looked like an 80 year old playing in St.Annes, but its something I'll always know how to do and its safe and reliable for when the wedges are acting the dick!

ryaner777

Cheers again Doc, the main thing seems to be getting the 2 points on each hole, they should be acheivable and if I miss one or two I should be in a position to secure a point ( and hopefully pick up a few pars to balance it out )

Do you or anyone else here ever use one of those chippers you see for sale, there like a putter but have about a 45 degree angle on them ?

dak

I have a jigger - like a putter with a 45 degree angle. I use it instead of a wedge depending on the surface around the green and how close I am. It takes a bit of practice but It stops me overhitting/ miss hitting the wedge close to the green. I use it for shots where I am about 5 to 10 feet of the green. Got it in Halpenny golf for about €20.

TheDoc

Yeah a jigger is an option, but really all its doing it cutting corners for you. Taking a 9 iron and just moving your hands forward and making a putting stroke, is what a jigger does. I wouldnt take one, its restricting a club selection in the bag, and it achieves what you can do with other clubs.

Although I'm a bit of a sucker for learning shots rather then buying the clubs. And I guess €20 is nothing in terms of golf clubs.

GreeBo

As a beginner I would strongly advise against hitting a wood of the fairway on any hole. Maybe a lofted hybrid but only rarely. There is a reason you are off 18, and I'm willing to bet that its not because you aren't hitting enough woods of the deck.
if two 5 irons and a wedge are not comfortably getting you onto par 4s in three then there its something else wrong imho.

wilfitz

My advice would be, just play bogey golf and hopefully you will pick up the odd par here and there. Also try not to hit two bad shots on the one hole, if you hit a bad shot take your medicine and don't be trying a miraculous shot to save par. Take the simple option! Think I heard arnold palmer say in a recent interview if you play off 13 you should aim for 5 pars and 13 bogeys... Sounds simple

ryaner777

Thanks for all the advice last week lads and it has helped an awful lot.

Had a great game on wednesday in baltinglass thansk to a fellow boardsie who gave us a voucher for a free game

Heres how I scored and I'm really looking forward to the boards outing tomorrow



Any more advice is greatly appreciated as I reckon I could be up against it tomorrow with the lads from boards.

link_2007

ryaner are you a bit erratic off the tee? It seems that if you get the ball in play you score well (only 3 one pointers) but you scratched a few as well.

TheDoc

ryaner777 wrote: »

Thanks for all the advice last week lads and it has helped an awful lot.

Had a great game on wednesday in baltinglass thansk to a fellow boardsie who gave us a voucher for a free game

Heres how I scored and I'm really looking forward to the boards outing tomorrow



Any more advice is greatly appreciated as I reckon I could be up against it tomorrow with the lads from boards.

Thats 50% less scratches than the last time you posted

Keep it consistent, then get it to 2 scratches, then none.

Scratches will happen, no doubt about it, but its important to keep them to a minimum.

ryaner777

I was back to the 7 or 8 scratches in Naas at the weekend but am playing druids heath tomorrow so hopefully will get back on track,

will post the card on thursday and hopefully will be full of smiley faces !

snowy666

ryaner777 wrote: »

playing druids heath tomorrow...

Jeez, you could have picked an easier track to try to get the game going again! I think the Heath is one of the hardest courses I've played over here.

Play Elmgreen, it's a lovely little confidence booster

lubo_moravcik

Ryaner, good on you with the scorecards, listening to the advice and getting on with it. You're an inspiration man to another newbie to the game. I personally don't have a handicap yet, so play off 28 and have loads of similarities to your game.
Was on St Margarets yesterday and hit 31. I work in Dublin 15 so if you want to get out for a round or 9 holes some early morning or lateish afternoon then I'll try join you.

ryaner777

Cheers lubo ( love the user name by the way, one of my favourite celts of all time ) I’ll definitely take you up on that very soon.

Ok lads so druids heath was a disaster scoring wise with me only finishing with 18 points but I have to say it was one of the most enjoyable rounds I've had to date.

Was out with the brother and two cousins and the craic around the course along with the gambling & banter that went on between all four of us was great.

I was putting myself into some great scoring positions but was killing my scoring chances with some awful club selection and wedge shots.

I'll try get that card from the cousin over the weekend and put it up but it doesn't make for pretty reading.

The plan for the following week is as follows.

Saturday , Range or nine holes in deer park howth
Monday hopefully 18 holes in elm green as a confidence booster
Wednesday Knightsbrook and try and improve my my recent score there
Friday The K Club Charity 4 ball

All are weather permitting except the K club, I've already paid for that so I'm playing no matter what !

And Monday is all dependant on how the head is after the ireland game on sunday night.

Will update here as the week progresses with all the cards available.