AP Final - Harlequins vs Leicester Tigers - 26/05/12 - 3pm KO

.ak · 23-05-2012 1:59pm #1

I actually just wanted to ask if this was on JUST ESPN or Skysports also?

But we may as well have a matchday thread as well seeing as it's the final I suppose... I'll be rooting for Quins anyhow, although I think they'd be doing well to win it.

thomond2006 · 23-05-2012 2:02pm

Fairly sure it's on ESPN, they have far more AP rights than Sky Sports these days.

Fishooks12 · 23-05-2012 2:04pm

Will be rooting for Quins because of O Shea

Don't mind Leicester either though, one of the English teams I have a bit of time for

.ak · 23-05-2012 2:05pm

Hrmm, dunno if I have ESPN on the box. I have SP and all that tho... I wonder if any pubs will be showing it if not.

Wexfordboy89 · 23-05-2012 2:07pm

.ak wrote: »

Hrmm, dunno if I have ESPN on the box. I have SP and all that tho... I wonder if any pubs will be showing it if not.

if you have skysports you should have espn as well think you get it free with skysports with sky anyway.i have upc and i had espn for free before i got skysports

Fishooks12 · 23-05-2012 2:09pm

Do ESPN still try and do the pre and post match coverage in the open air outside the stadium?

Some disaster anytime I saw it, fellas roaring and shouting walking past

Wexfordboy89 · 23-05-2012 2:12pm

Fishooks12 wrote: »

Do ESPN still try and do the pre and post match coverage in the open air outside the stadium?

Some disaster anytime I saw it, fellas roaring and shouting walking past

not sure about that i know they do some of it on the pitch side from a couple of games that i have seen anyways

duckysauce · 23-05-2012 4:41pm

Fishooks12 wrote: »

Do ESPN still try and do the pre and post match coverage in the open air outside the stadium?

Some disaster anytime I saw it, fellas roaring and shouting walking past

lol they were at it for the semis, asking fans who they thought would win

, pretty dire stuff.

Digifriendly · 24-05-2012 4:35pm

ESPN - live coverage with highlights on both Sky Sports (Saturday) and ITV (Sunday).If you don't subscribe to either Sky Sports or ESPN and want to see the tries without waiting for ITV's coverage usually BBC News Channel (Sports desk) or Sky News (Sportsline) at 7.30pm on Saturday will feature these.

.ak · 24-05-2012 5:24pm

Turns out I have ESPN on UPC. Grand!

Judgement Day · 24-05-2012 9:10pm

And I thought this was going to be a Gavin Henson do we care thread... I suppose it is really. Roll on Sunday.

thomond2006 · 26-05-2012 1:24pm

Harlequins:
15 Mike Brown, 14 Tom Williams, 13 George Lowe, 12 Jordan Turner-Hall, 11 Ugo Monye, 10 Nick Evans, 9 Danny Care,
8 Nick Easter, 7 Chris Robshaw (capt), 6 Maurie Fa'asavalu, 5 George Robson, 4 Olly Kohn, 3 James Johnston, 2 Joe Gray, 1 Joe Marler.

Replacements: 16 Rob Buchanan, 17 Mark Lambert, 18 Will Collier, 19 Tomas Vallejos, 20 Tom Guest, 21 Karl Dickson, 22 Rory Clegg, 23 Matt Hopper.

Leicester:
15 Geordan Murphy (capt), 14 Horacio Agulla, 13 Manusamoa Tuilagi, 12 Anthony Allen, 11 Alesana Tuilagi, 10 George Ford, 9 Ben Youngs,
8 Thomas Waldrom, 7 Julian Salvi, 6 Steve Mafi, 5 Geoff Parling, 4 George Skivington, 3 Dan Cole, 2 George Chuter, 1 Marcos Ayerza.

Replacements: 16 Tom Youngs, 17 Logovi'i Mulipola, 18 Martin Castrogiovanni, 19 Graham Kitchener, 20 Craig Newby, 21 Sam Harrison, 22 Toby Flood*, 23 Scott Hamilton.

*Flood was ruled out this morning, Bill Twelvetrees comes onto the bench.

Dave_The_Sheep · 26-05-2012 2:07pm

Early tackle from Tuilagi past the horizontal. Lucky to not get a yellow at least. It wasn't particularly dangerous but by the letter of the law...

Good start from Quins. 3-0.

wonton · 26-05-2012 2:10pm

Dave_The_Sheep wrote: »

Early tackle from Tuilagi past the horizontal. Lucky to not get a yellow at least. It wasn't particularly dangerous but by the letter of the law...

Good start from Quins. 3-0.

im guessing manu?

wonton · 26-05-2012 2:12pm

.ak wrote: »

Turns out I have ESPN on UPC. Grand!

ye I only found that out last year , you should check out espn classic, they show a lot of classic rugby matchs from over the years.

thomond2006 · 26-05-2012 2:13pm

Quins try. They are bossing Tigers!

Dave_The_Sheep · 26-05-2012 2:13pm

You guess correctly (almost like there's a rep there)... very lucky chap.

thomond2006 · 26-05-2012 3:23pm

Quins 27-13 up with 22 minutes to go.

Dave_The_Sheep · 26-05-2012 3:27pm

Can't see them losing it either. One more score will finish it. This penalty should secure it. From the scrum as well.

Dave_The_Sheep · 26-05-2012 3:31pm

Try for Leicester. Smart quick penalty from Youngs. Allen with the try. 10 points in it with 10 to go. All to play for.

thomond2006 · 26-05-2012 3:37pm

Youngs playing like he was last season, lightning quick number 9.

Ford kicks a penalty, 7 points in it with 9 to go.

Both Tuilagis have been awful.

Dave_The_Sheep · 26-05-2012 3:41pm

Quins just need to keep this in hand for a few minutes, wind the clock down ... talking drop goal to seal it now.

Dave_The_Sheep · 26-05-2012 3:43pm

Or not. Don't put the damn ball even a bit wide. Keep it tight.

thomond2006 · 26-05-2012 3:50pm

Quins win it, well done to Conor O'Shea!

.ak · 26-05-2012 4:01pm

Fair play to Quins, great start to the campaign. Delighted for O'Shea. Also great to see Leicester make a game out of it. At 30-13 most teams would've gone home.

wonton · 26-05-2012 4:17pm

great feckin game !

quinns played some lovely rugby

copacetic · 26-05-2012 4:24pm

Quins deserved it but as always Leicisester came back from looking dead and buried. Thought the final penalty to seal it was a bit dodge myself.

justsomebloke · 26-05-2012 4:40pm

Bit disappointed in Leicster as they have played better recently but fair play to harlequins and o'shea

Teferi · 26-05-2012 4:49pm

Fair play to Quinns, great for O'Shea. I thought they looked a little lost whenever they were stopped in the middle of the park. Loads of little passes that went nowhere.

Typical tenacious Leicester display in the final 20minutes or so.

Judgement Day · 26-05-2012 7:26pm

I take back what I said earlier in the thread, at a loose end I found myself watching the game and a great 80 minutes entertainment. Better than tonight's Top 14 Borefest between Toulon and Racing Metro - so bad I put it off after 20 mins despite having money on the outcome.

Fishooks12 · 26-05-2012 7:33pm

I'd watch the premiership over top14 anyday of the week

Delighted for O Shea

DeDoc · 27-05-2012 11:30am

Enjoyed the game and delighted for Conor.

I did feel the game was significantly lower quality than the HEC final the week before, and was surprised to see Stephen Jones (I know!) talking it up so much in todays Times.

I had a quick look at the stats just now and they're interesting reading:

yesterdays game

Harlequins	 	Leicester Tigers
2	Tries	2
1 from 2	Conversion goals	2 from 2
6 from 7	Penalty goals	3 from 4
77.8%	Kick at goal success	83.3%
0	Dropped goals	0

Kick/pass/run
11	Kicks from hand	18
143	Passes	70
114	Runs	51
404	Metres run with ball	360

Attacking
50%	Possession	50%
7	Clean breaks	7
19	Defenders beaten	10
19	Offloads	7
77 from 82 (93.9%)	Rucks won	 28 from 31 (90.3%)
0 from 0	Mauls won	 0 from 0
10	Turnovers conceded	8

Defensive
47/10	Tackles made/missed	111/19
82.5%	Tackling success rate	85.4%

Set pieces
5 won, 2 lost (71.4%)	Scrums on own feed	 5 won, 0 lost (100.0%)
7 won, 2 lost (77.8%)	Lineouts on own throw	 10 won, 4 lost (71.4%)

Discipline
15	Penalties conceded	14
0/0	Yellow/red cards	1/0

Last weeks game:

Leinster	 	Ulster
5 (1 penalty try)	Tries	1
4 from 5	Conversion goals	0 from 1
3 from 4	Penalty goals	3 from 3
77.8%	Kick at goal success	75.0%
0	Dropped goals	0 (1 missed)

Kick/pass/run
18	Kicks from hand	20
190	Passes	182
134	Runs	122
570	Metres run with ball	331

Attacking
49%	Possession	51%
47%	Territory	53%
10	Clean breaks	3
16	Defenders beaten	8
8	Offloads	9
103 from 108 (95.4%)	Rucks won	 96 from 102 (94.1%)
2 from 2 (100.0%)	Mauls won	 4 from 4 (100.0%)
14	Turnovers conceded	17

Defensive
129/8	Tackles made/missed	131/16
94.2%	Tackling success rate	89.1%

Set pieces
1 won, 0 lost (100.0%)	Scrums on own feed	 8 won, 1 lost (88.9%)
11 won, 1 lost (91.7%)	Lineouts on own throw	 8 won, 1 lost (88.9%)

Discipline
10	Penalties conceded	7
0/0	Yellow/red cards	1/0

Very similar posession figures in both games, very similar total points scored also.
Set piece is also pretty similar 12 scrums yesterday, 10 last week. Lineouts too - 23 this week, 21 last week.

Where the real differences are is in the sheer numbers of passes, kicks, runs, tackles. There were MORE clean breaks, offloads and defenders beaten in yesterdays game, but there is no comparison in the other figures:

Tackles(missed) - 284(24) versus 187 (29)
% tackle success: 92% versus 83%
kicks: 38 versus 29
passes: 372 versus 213
runs: 256 versus 165
metres: 901 versus 764
rucks: 210 versus 113
mauls: 6 versus 0

truly a different game!

brownacid · 27-05-2012 9:04pm

When Nick Evans is placekicking why does he not get charged down? Surely his run up starts when he takes that outrageous lunge backwards s he generally squares up to the ball for a while then lunges, then kicks. I know its somewhat similar to the likes of Sexton where he takes a few steps back then sideways but at least that is all in one motion pretty much. Evans' method suggests to me he starts when he lunges?

Podge_irl · 27-05-2012 9:10pm

Run up doesn't start until you move towards the ball.

brownacid · 27-05-2012 9:41pm

I thought it was a movement after you square up, wasn't that the reason that Stringer could charge down O'Connor in the barbarians match at Christmas?

castie · 29-05-2012 2:24am

brownacid wrote: »

I thought it was a movement after you square up, wasn't that the reason that Stringer could charge down O'Connor in the barbarians match at Christmas?

No its start your run up.
Going backwards is still getting set.

O Connor does this thing when he rocks forward and back and thats why Stringer charged him down.

Also only valid for conversions and not all place kicks.

profitius · 29-05-2012 11:50am

DeDoc wrote: »
Enjoyed the game and delighted for Conor.

I did feel the game was significantly lower quality than the HEC final the week before, and was surprised to see Stephen Jones (I know!) talking it up so much in todays Times.

I had a quick look at the stats just now and they're interesting reading:

yesterdays game
Harlequins	 	Leicester Tigers
2	Tries	2
1 from 2	Conversion goals	2 from 2
6 from 7	Penalty goals	3 from 4
77.8%	Kick at goal success	83.3%
0	Dropped goals	0

Kick/pass/run
11	Kicks from hand	18
143	Passes	70
114	Runs	51
404	Metres run with ball	360

Attacking
50%	Possession	50%
7	Clean breaks	7
19	Defenders beaten	10
19	Offloads	7
77 from 82 (93.9%)	Rucks won	 28 from 31 (90.3%)
0 from 0	Mauls won	 0 from 0
10	Turnovers conceded	8

Defensive
47/10	Tackles made/missed	111/19
82.5%	Tackling success rate	85.4%

Set pieces
5 won, 2 lost (71.4%)	Scrums on own feed	 5 won, 0 lost (100.0%)
7 won, 2 lost (77.8%)	Lineouts on own throw	 10 won, 4 lost (71.4%)

Discipline
15	Penalties conceded	14
0/0	Yellow/red cards	1/0
Last weeks game:
Leinster	 	Ulster
5 (1 penalty try)	Tries	1
4 from 5	Conversion goals	0 from 1
3 from 4	Penalty goals	3 from 3
77.8%	Kick at goal success	75.0%
0	Dropped goals	0 (1 missed)

Kick/pass/run
18	Kicks from hand	20
190	Passes	182
134	Runs	122
570	Metres run with ball	331

Attacking
49%	Possession	51%
47%	Territory	53%
10	Clean breaks	3
16	Defenders beaten	8
8	Offloads	9
103 from 108 (95.4%)	Rucks won	 96 from 102 (94.1%)
2 from 2 (100.0%)	Mauls won	 4 from 4 (100.0%)
14	Turnovers conceded	17

Defensive
129/8	Tackles made/missed	131/16
94.2%	Tackling success rate	89.1%

Set pieces
1 won, 0 lost (100.0%)	Scrums on own feed	 8 won, 1 lost (88.9%)
11 won, 1 lost (91.7%)	Lineouts on own throw	 8 won, 1 lost (88.9%)

Discipline
10	Penalties conceded	7
0/0	Yellow/red cards	1/0
Very similar posession figures in both games, very similar total points scored also.
Set piece is also pretty similar 12 scrums yesterday, 10 last week. Lineouts too - 23 this week, 21 last week.

Where the real differences are is in the sheer numbers of passes, kicks, runs, tackles. There were MORE clean breaks, offloads and defenders beaten in yesterdays game, but there is no comparison in the other figures:

Tackles(missed) - 284(24) versus 187 (29)
% tackle success: 92% versus 83%
kicks: 38 versus 29
passes: 372 versus 213
runs: 256 versus 165
metres: 901 versus 764
rucks: 210 versus 113
mauls: 6 versus 0

truly a different game!

Good work there, DeDoc!

Do you know of any site that has stats like these for super rugby matches?

AP Final - Harlequins vs Leicester Tigers - 26/05/12 - 3pm KO

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