Dublin marathon 29/10/2012

RayCun

Race website

Last year's thread

Garmin track of last year's route
This year's route

This thread is for general discussion of the event - the route, predicted times, where to meet for pints afterwards, etc. (Note - number swaps are against the forum charter. Don't post here looking to buy or sell a number)

If this is your first marathon, and you have questions about your training, ask them in the Dublin Marathon 2012 Mentored Novices thread. Any questions about when to run, how far to run, what to wear, what to eat... should go to that thread. Trained operators are standing by to take your questions.

There is also a thread for marathon 'improvers' - people who have run one or two marathons, are no longer novices, but still have questions and issues to discuss about their training.

There are phone apps you can download, run with your phone and other people can track your progress on their phones -
Dublin Marathon app on Android:
On the iPhone

You can also register for live tracking with the chip timing company.
This will send out a facebook update or tweet every time you cross a timing mat (so, 4 or 5 times altogether). You can use it to track the progress of runners from mat to mat, even if they don't have a phone app.

Here's a video of the race route

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsDbeA3EFa8

List of Pacers for DM 2012

3:00
Robert W
Abhainn
Pronator

3:15
liamo123
Surewhynot!
Ray Lanigan
TFBubendorfer

3:30
Wounded Knee
JackyBack
Grellan
Robinph

3:45
Menoscemo
CorkRunning
Paul D
Claralara

4:00
Oisin11178
RunningCoach
Ruthann S
Breffni Blue

4:15
Kandikane
Marthastew
digger2d2
ankers99

4:30
Ultraman1
Moneystealer1
Izoard
tHEvAGGABOND

5:00
Clareman07
Belcarra
Hot to trot

Following the success of the pacers over the past few years we have included them again this year. There will be pacers for the following times: 3.00, 3.15, 3.30, 3.45, 4.00, 4.15, 4.30 and 5.00. They will run the race at a steady pace throughout, and aim to finish a few seconds under each time band. To be paced by them during the race, just turn up at the start, look for the runners wearing backpacks with large flags, and stand behind the corresponding time. (Note that 3:45 will start at the front of Wave 2, 4:15 will start at the front of Wave 3. All others will start in their appropriate starting zone).

If you want to break 4 hours then run with the 4 hour pacers and stick with them. If you are fit enough to run a 4-hour marathon, you won't fall behind.

If, on the other hand, you are not fit enough to run a 4 hour marathon then starting at an even faster pace will only hurt you and result in an even slower time.

The marathon is not about running fast, it is about preserving energy. If you waste energy early on by running faster, you are only going to run into even bigger problems later on. Every minute run too fast in the first half will cost you at least 2 in the second.

The same applies for every other time target as well, obviously.

curraghyid

Has the route been finalised yet

RayCun

Not as far as I know

Hard Worker

curraghyid wrote: »

Has the route been finalised yet

Nearly finalised. We didn't get the route we wanted. It could be more of the same.

PaulieC

Hard Worker wrote: »

Nearly finalised. We didn't get the route we wanted. It could be more of the same.

any hints ?

sideswipe

cambo_gueno wrote: »

any hints ?

Originally Posted by Hard Worker
Nearly finalised. We didn't get the route we wanted. It could be more of the same.

tunguska

Hard Worker wrote: »

Nearly finalised. We didn't get the route we wanted. It could be more of the same.

So long as you're not adding more hills its cool.

brando1980

just wondering if anyone knows the average number of ppl that run the DCM unofficially? doing research and just need a ball park figure. thanks

RayCun

brando1980 wrote: »

just wondering if anyone knows the average number of ppl that run the DCM unofficially? doing research and just need a ball park figure. thanks

"Unofficially"? Do you mean people who want to run a marathon with lots of other people, on closed roads with first aid standing by, with water stations and gels laid on, but don't want to pay for it?

brando1980

yeah, i'd like to get an idea of how many bandits run it.

petermannion

anyone any advice on this marathon as a potential debut race?

RayCun

brando1980 wrote: »

yeah, i'd like to get an idea of how many bandits run it.

I don't know of anyone who collects those figures, or how you'd even go about it...

petermannion wrote: »

anyone any advice on this marathon as a potential debut race?

It's a good first marathon - not too tough a course, lots of support along the way, pace groups to follow, good organisation. The only downside is that it can get a bit crowded in places.

Kurt Godel

brando1980 wrote: »

just wondering if anyone knows the average number of ppl that run the DCM unofficially? doing research and just need a ball park figure. thanks

Your research won't be very accurate if you're relying on unofficial ballpark figures from an internet forum. Here's a previous thread about cheating in marathons. Anecdotally I'd say the figure is miniscule. Some do get manhandled off before the finish, and others have been banned from future entries after being found wearing homemade numbers. Jerks, one and all- either pay the entry (which pays for the facilities), or run the course yourself another day.

huskerdu

Kurt Godel wrote: »

Your research won't be very accurate if you're relying on unofficial ballpark figures from an internet forum.

True, but I see Journalists relying on such figures regularly.

But, anecdotal evidence from regular Marathon runners and club members who help organise and volunteer at Marathons of how often they have seen it happen is probably the best information available, as long as it is clear that its only anecdotal evidence.

Jerks, one and all- either pay the entry (which pays for the facilities), or run the course yourself another day.

Agreed.

brando1980

thanks for the info kurt.

brando1980

cool will have a chat with a few runners i know in a club, i know its estimated in boston abt 2000 bandit

TFBubendorfer

brando1980 wrote: »

cool will have a chat with a few runners i know in a club, i know its estimated in boston abt 2000 bandit

Boston is well known for its high number of bandits, and they are somewhat tolerated there.

The figure in Dublin will be a magnitude lower, and they are NOT tolerated.

WithCheesePlease

Has a sponsor been agreed for this? The National Lottery bailed, didn't they?

Also, is it still the case that there'll be no tv coverage? Wouldn't / won't stop me doing it, just curious.

SnailsPace

http://dublinmarathon.ie/map-2012.pdf

Route for 2012 is up at last

This looks very similar to 2011 - any changes??

The_Boy_Wonder

SnailsPace wrote: »

http://dublinmarathon.ie/map-2012.pdf

Route for 2012 is up at last

This looks very similar to 2011 - any changes??

Very similar. The route through the park is different, less North Road and Ordance Survery Rd, replaced with up Chesterfield and down Furze Rd. Can't see remember any other changes.
Hopefully traffic calming bollards/island outside Chapelizod Gate won't catch anyone out, but I guess there's a lot more considerations and issues to be balanced to come up with the route

Trampas

strange that each road used in the park is in the opposite direction that you run in the race series.

RayCun

WithCheesePlease wrote: »

Has a sponsor been agreed for this? The National Lottery bailed, didn't they?
Also, is it still the case that there'll be no tv coverage?

No sponsor, no tv

TFBubendorfer

The_Boy_Wonder wrote: »

Very similar. The route through the park is different, less North Road and Ordance Survery Rd, replaced with up Chesterfield and down Furze Rd. Can't see remember any other changes.

Basically back to 2010. North Road was only on last year because of the roadworks on Chesterfield Avenue.

JohnnyCrash

Hi guys,running my first marathon but dont need training advice.Am registering online and was wondering what time i should be selecting? Im targeting 3.45 but on the day hopefully will do a wee bit better.Should i select under 3.45 or 3.45 to 4.15? ie I will be with the 3.45 pacer. Cheers

Kurt Godel

JohnnyCrash wrote: »

Hi guys,running my first marathon but dont need training advice.Am registering online and was wondering what time i should be selecting? Im targeting 3.45 but on the day hopefully will do a wee bit better.Should i select under 3.45 or 3.45 to 4.15? ie I will be with the 3.45 pacer. Cheers

They will start at the front of the 3:45-4:15 group.

Micilin Muc

Kurt Godel wrote: »

They will start at the front of the 3:45-4:15 group.

If that's the case, I would prefer to be at the back of the group leaving before (3:15-3:45 or whatever). Having a pacer is nice, but it can get congested, whereas being at the back of the previous group, faster runners in front of you will open up a gap and you'll have more space ...

JohnnyCrash

Cheers for that,thanks.

JohnnyCrash

Micilin Muc wrote: »

If that's the case, I would prefer to be at the back of the group leaving before (3:15-3:45 or whatever). Having a pacer is nice, but it can get congested, whereas being at the back of the previous group, faster runners in front of you will open up a gap and you'll have more space ...

Ha ha ha,now im confused The plan is to stay with the 3.45 and see how it goes.If theres plenty in the tank after half way,i'll take it from there;),so i guess ill be selecting 3.45 to 4.15 then?

TFBubendorfer

Micilin Muc wrote: »

If that's the case, I would prefer to be at the back of the group leaving before (3:15-3:45 or whatever). Having a pacer is nice, but it can get congested, whereas being at the back of the previous group, faster runners in front of you will open up a gap and you'll have more space ...

That's completely the wrong way round.

If you start at the front of the next wave you have free road and no congestion at all. If, on the other hand, you start at the back of the previous wave you have to fight your way through all the runners who signed up for a wave that's too fast for them (and believe me, there are a lot of them).

JohnnyCrash wrote: »

Ha ha ha,now im confused The plan is to stay with the 3.45 and see how it goes.If theres plenty in the tank after half way,i'll take it from there,so i guess ill be selecting 3.45 to 4.15 then?

Yes, your best bet is to go with the 3:45 pacers.

JohnnyCrash

Cheers for that.One more quickie.Registered online,looked like it didnt go through,error came up,re did it again. Voila!!! was debited twice.Is this easily rectified? Who do i contact?

TFBubendorfer

JohnnyCrash wrote: »

Cheers for that.One more quickie.Registered online,looked like it didnt go through,error came up,re did it again. Voila!!! was debited twice.Is this easily rectified? Who do i contact?

office@dublinmarathon.ie
Tel: 00 353 1 6232250
Fax: 00 353 1 6263757

Micilin Muc

TFBubendorfer wrote: »

That's completely the wrong way round.

If you start at the front of the next wave you have free road and no congestion at all. If, on the other hand, you start at the back of the previous wave you have to fight your way through all the runners who signed up for a wave that's too fast for them (and believe me, there are a lot of them).

That's true! I suppose it's worked for me in smaller races (IMRA) but not big city races!

liamog

TFBubendorfer wrote: »

That's completely the wrong way round.

If you start at the front of the next wave you have free road and no congestion at all. If, on the other hand, you start at the back of the previous wave you have to fight your way through all the runners who signed up for a wave that's too fast for them (and believe me, there are a lot of them).

Doesn't that just make you one of the people starting in the wrong place and getting in people who are in the right wave but half way down with their Pace group, I'm not saying that we can have everyone in the perfect position but I did think that last years Bay 10k the waves worked really well, they were very strict letting you in.

Maybe they should use the race series as qualifying times similar to the Women's Mini Marathon (Hate that term its 10k dammit). Logistically should be doable as the numbers are pick up only. Not sure how to look after non Dublin runners but a public race result could be checked.

Cabaal

hmm, given I want to run this I should really register soon

TFBubendorfer

liamog wrote: »

Doesn't that just make you one of the people starting in the wrong place and getting in people who are in the right wave but half way down with their Pace group, I'm not saying that we can have everyone in the perfect position but I did think that last years Bay 10k the waves worked really well, they were very strict letting you in.

If you want to run 3:45 and you start at the front of the 3:45-4:15 wave, how on earth would that make you one of the people starting in the wrong place?

Mr Slow

TFBubendorfer wrote: »

T you have to fight your way through all the runners who signed up for a wave that's too fast for them (and believe me, there are a lot of them).

Micilin Muc wrote: »

That's true! I suppose it's worked for me in smaller races (IMRA) but not big city races!

I ran with the 3:30 group last year, we were at the start of wave two, within 4 miles we had caught people from the '3:30 or faster' wave and one of them said '3:30, Good Luck' as we ran past. You can bank on a high proportion of stupidity in a crowd of 13,000 people.:)

liamog

TFBubendorfer wrote: »

If you want to run 3:45 and you start at the front of the 3:45-4:15 wave, how on earth would that make you one of the people starting in the wrong place?

Must of misread the original post, I thought you were saying to start ahead of the wave so you don't get stuck behind people who are starting too far ahead. Nevermind :-D

I'm looking forward to this year really want to break that 4 hour mark. Did 4:24 last year but if I'm honest my training fell off in September. Either that or you could say I took the taper too seriously.

seanie_m

Hi, this is going to be my first marathon, I'm planning on starting proper training on Monday. Was wondering if anyone could recommend a good training plan to follow, I really don't have a clue.
Ran the Connemara half this year in 93 mins, just to give you an idea of what standard I'm coming from.
Also would anyone happen to know what kind of time I should be aiming towards considering my time in the Connemarathon? Like should I double my time and add 15%, or are there any set targets that people usually work towards?
Thank you.

RacoonQueen

One of the problems with the waves actually is that DCM is the national marathon championships, for team prizes this goes on guntime. I started in the second wave but was the third scorer for our team and had an extra 15(?) minutes lobbed on my time. We still wouldn't have medaled but would have finished 4th team instead of 5th had I run the same time and started somewhere in the first wave. No way to get around this other than to start in the first wave...

pansophelia

Hi, this is going to be my first marathon, I'm planning on starting proper training on Monday. Was wondering if anyone could recommend a good training plan to follow, I really don't have a clue.
Ran the Connemara half this year in 93 mins, just to give you an idea of what standard I'm coming from.
Also would anyone happen to know what kind of time I should be aiming towards considering my time in the Connemarathon? Like should I double my time and add 15%, or are there any set targets that people usually work towards?
Thank you.

Hey,
Check out the Dublin Marathon Mentored Novices Thread over in the Training Logs part of the forum - full of pages and pages of useful information from resident experts. You'll find lots of fellow newbies of varying standards there. Great time for the half!

seanie_m

pansophelia wrote: »

Hey,
Check out the Dublin Marathon Mentored Novices Thread over in the Training Logs part of the forum - full of pages and pages of useful information from resident experts. You'll find lots of fellow newbies of varying standards there. Great time for the half!

Thanks pansophelia!

KielyUnusual

Hi, this is going to be my first marathon, I'm planning on starting proper training on Monday. Was wondering if anyone could recommend a good training plan to follow, I really don't have a clue.
Ran the Connemara half this year in 93 mins, just to give you an idea of what standard I'm coming from.
Also would anyone happen to know what kind of time I should be aiming towards considering my time in the Connemarathon? Like should I double my time and add 15%, or are there any set targets that people usually work towards?
Thank you.

I started running about this time last year in preparation for the marathon too. I didn't follow any plan but had a look at the plans and just followed the general trend of what they were doing. Ran 96 minutes in the half marathon as part of the series, one month out from the marathon proper. Ran three and a half hours in the marathon then. So, I'm guessing that from my experience you could be aiming for some time under 3hr 30m depending on how well your training goes over the next few months

jahaco

Rule of thumb is to double your half marathon time and add 10-20 minutes. Has worked for me. So 93 in the half would in principle get you between 3.16 and 3.26 in the full. But anything can happen!;)

seanie_m

KielyUnusual wrote: »

I started running about this time last year in preparation for the marathon too. I didn't follow any plan but had a look at the plans and just followed the general trend of what they were doing. Ran 96 minutes in the half marathon as part of the series, one month out from the marathon proper. Ran three and a half hours in the marathon then. So, I'm guessing that from my experience you could be aiming for some time under 3hr 30m depending on how well your training goes over the next few months

jahaco wrote: »

Rule of thumb is to double your half marathon time and add 10-20 minutes. Has worked for me. So 93 in the half would in principle get you between 3.16 and 3.26 in the full. But anything can happen!;)

Thanks for the replies, I guess I have my target set for me now!

kandikane

seanie_m wrote: »

Hi, this is going to be my first marathon, I'm planning on starting proper training on Monday. Was wondering if anyone could recommend a good training plan to follow, I really don't have a clue.
Ran the Connemara half this year in 93 mins, just to give you an idea of what standard I'm coming from.
Also would anyone happen to know what kind of time I should be aiming towards considering my time in the Connemarathon? Like should I double my time and add 15%, or are there any set targets that people usually work towards?
Thank you.

halhigdon has some good novice training programs worth checking out and easy to follow:)

seanie_m

kandikane wrote: »

halhigdon has some good novice training programs worth checking out and easy to follow:)

Thank you, I've been working off his intermediate 1 schedule since last Monday, so far so good!

jim0

RayCun wrote: »

I don't know of anyone who collects those figures, or how you'd even go about it...



It's a good first marathon - not too tough a course, lots of support along the way, pace groups to follow, good organisation. The only downside is that it can get a bit crowded in places.

Can I ask about the "not too tough a course" comment? Specifically, are the hills around the back of UCD not enough to elevate it into at least the "a little bit difficult" category? They're certainly tough on the novices at a challenging stage of the event!

I suppose this all depends on how that terrain compares with other nearby marathons. I have only experienced Berlin and Dublin, but I assume that most of the other big urban marathons are flatter than Dublin?

Oh, and I completely agree with the other comments: great support, pacers and organisation, as far as I could make out.

RayCun

jim0 wrote: »

Can I ask about the "not too tough a course" comment? Specifically, are the hills around the back of UCD not enough to elevate it into at least the "a little bit difficult" category? They're certainly tough on the novices at a challenging stage of the event!

They're not serious hills though, really. Enough to say that those couple of miles are a bit difficult, but not enough to make the whole course difficult.

ger664

jim0 wrote: »

Can I ask about the "not too tough a course" comment? Specifically, are the hills around the back of UCD not enough to elevate it into at least the "a little bit difficult" category? They're certainly tough on the novices at a challenging stage of the event!

I suppose this all depends on how that terrain compares with other nearby marathons. I have only experienced Berlin and Dublin, but I assume that most of the other big urban marathons are flatter than Dublin?

Oh, and I completely agree with the other comments: great support, pacers and organisation, as far as I could make out.

Have a look at the elavation profile for Athens:D

Mr Slow

ger664 wrote: »

Have a look at the elavation profile for Athens:D

Someday Ger, someday!

opus

Posted off my entry form today, couldn't see why I should pay an extra €3 for the online entry so sent them an email to get a form posted out to me.

Week 1 of the FIRST training plan finished this evening, 15 to go!