Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12 MOD POST #1130

Young,British and overpriced.

Have we fúcking learned nothing?

Surely there's better than Joe Allen for £15m?

NabyLadistheman

rarnes1 wrote: »

Young,English and overpriced.

Have we fúcking learned nothing?

Surely there's better than Joe Allen for £15m?

Welsh :pac:

donfers

rarnes1 wrote: »

Young,English and overpriced.

Have we fúcking learned nothing?

Surely there's better than Joe Allen for £15m?

welsh but we get your point

Suarezistheman

Suarezistheman wrote: »

Welsh :pac:

LOL,

British !

jasonb

Where's the figure of £15m coming from, it's not in the Sky Sports article?

J.

G.K.

Imo Allen's got something about him far more than most of the British youngsters, but at that price you could get a young player several rungs higher up the ladder.

jasonb

jasonb wrote: »

Where's the figure of £15m coming from, it's not in the Sky Sports article?

J.

I've seen that figure in a few articles the last few weeks. Seen upwards of that figure quoted too. All speculation of course.

Mr Alan

Knex. wrote: »

Adam was made look good by having the team built around him.

Adam was good for us too until Lucas got injured.

Was our "system" built around him?

I know very little about Allen, but our transfer targets this season are seemingly as uninspiring as they've ever been. Dempsey? Borini? Allen? Are we aiming to cement our place in mid-table or bridge the gap to the teams above us?!

Dickerty

Without that wheelbarrow of money, I'd be astounded if we paid north of £10M for him. Maybe a deal with Spearing on loan or something, to sweeten it? Not Shelvey though...

Sky have gotten precisely NOTHING right so far.

Mr Alan

Mr Alan wrote: »

Adam was good for us too until Lucas got injured.

Went downhill fairly rapid after Lucas was out alright.

Mr Alan

In fairness to him, far too much was expected of him at that point, he was never bought to be that kind of workhorse all action midfielder.

Sir Gallagher

G.K. wrote: »

Imo Allen's got something about him far more than most of the British youngsters, but at that price you could get a young player several rungs higher up the ladder.

Thats what they said about Henderson.

Looks like our "scouting system" is doing fck all again this summer. All the players we've been linked have worked with Rodgers. Oh apart from Dempsey...ooh they've unearthed a real unknown gem there...

Dickerty

Dickerty wrote: »

Without that wheelbarrow of money, I'd be astounded if we paid north of £10M for him. Maybe a deal with Spearing on loan or something, to sweeten it? Not Shelvey though...

Sky have gotten precisely NOTHING right so far.

Getting Allen for £10m or under would probably represent good value. He's a good prospect but he's no Alonso.

Throw them Joe Cole as part of the deal.

Mr Alan

I know I'm coming across a negative ****er lately but to be perfectly honest, if we end the window;

Out
Maxi
Kuyt
Carroll
Aquilani

In
Borini
Dempsey
Allen

There's a very strong argument our squad would have been weakened over the summer.

Funny enough, Adam might be more at home under Rodgers as in a 3 man midfield.

In a 4-4-2, he's not suited.

Did Blackpool play 4-3-3 when he was with them? I think they did.

Still only a backup player though.

Knex*

Mr Alan wrote: »

Adam was good for us too until Lucas got injured.

Was our "system" built around him?

I know very little about Allen, but our transfer targets this season are seemingly as uninspiring as they've ever been. Dempsey? Borini? Allen? Are we aiming to cement our place in mid-table or bridge the gap to the teams above us?!

Adam looked good for us admittedly, but was he a standout performer from the team? No.

He was by far and away the main man at Blackpool.

We can sit here and argue about systems here all day, but the fact of the matter is every good manager has them. It's ridiculous to think that they don't. Rodgers is constantly talking about his philosophy on football and how everyone will have a defined role in the team. That, I'm afraid Alan, is a system.

Just because Dalglish was devoid of one doesn't mean you can go around jumping down people's throats as soon as they discuss said systems.

Rodgers will in all likely hood change the way the system worked for him last year, seeing as though Liverpool is not Swansea, but if he does sign Allen its probably to do the same role as he did last year at Swansea.

Also, I'm not saying he'll only have one way of setting up a team. I fully expect Rodgers to change tacitcs/system depending on the opposition we face.

missingtime

Mr Alan wrote: »

I know I'm coming across a negative ****er lately but to be perfectly honest, if we end the window;

Out
Maxi
Kuyt
Carroll
Aquilani

In
Borini
Dempsey
Allen

There's a very strong argument our squad would have been weakened over the summer.

Jesus Christ if we ended like that this place would explode.

Even if we keep Carroll we still need another 4 signings.

Sappy404

opr wrote: »

I'm kinda surprised that Demba Ba hasn't been mentioned more as a possible part exchange in any Carroll deal.

Opr

Mr Alan wrote: »

I know I'm coming across a negative ****er lately but to be perfectly honest, if we end the window;

Out
Maxi
Kuyt
Carroll
Aquilani

In
Borini
Dempsey
Allen

There's a very strong argument our squad would have been weakened over the summer.

How about this:

Out
Maxi
Kuyt
Carroll


In
Borini
Dempsey
Allen
Cole
Aquilani

Not that I think this is likely. We need at least one winger brought in too.

Knex*

Mr Alan wrote: »

I know I'm coming across a negative ****er lately but to be perfectly honest, if we end the window;

Out
Maxi
Kuyt
Carroll
Aquilani

In
Borini
Dempsey
Allen

There's a very strong argument our squad would have been weakened over the summer.

I doubt you will find anyone here who would disagree with this.

Mr Alan

Mr Alan wrote: »

I know I'm coming across a negative ****er lately but to be perfectly honest, if we end the window;

Out
Maxi
Kuyt
Carroll
Aquilani

In
Borini
Dempsey
Allen

There's a very strong argument our squad would have been weakened over the summer.

I hope we do more business than that, otherwise it will be uninspiring.

One more and possibly most important is:

Back In
Lucas

:cool:

Sappy404

Sappy404 wrote: »

How about this:

Out
Maxi
Kuyt
Carroll


In
Borini
Dempsey
Allen
Cole
Aquilani

Not that I think this is likely. We need at least one winger brought in too.

Cole shouldn't be in the IN pile !

missingtime

rarnes1 wrote: »

Cole shouldn't be in the IN pile !

Maybe Sappy is a dinner lady?

Dickerty

Knex. wrote: »

I doubt you will find anyone here who would disagree with this.

Give it time son!

I don't see any suggestion that Aquilani will go (unless someone makes a Cash offer), and if Carroll goes, I would expect another striker over and above Borini and Dempsey. No way would we let 3 strikers (front 3) go and only bring in 2, when Rodgers is talking up our need to attack more and score more goals...

And a reminder to all - 6 weeks of the window left!!!

Mr Alan

Either we are conducting our business in remarkable secrecy (not likely when the Borini & potential Dempsey deals played out/are playing out in the open) or else we are heading towards a quite frankly incredibly disappointing summer.

whatawaster

Mr Alan wrote: »

I know I'm coming across a negative ****er lately but to be perfectly honest, if we end the window;

Out
Maxi
Kuyt
Carroll
Aquilani

In
Borini
Dempsey
Allen

There's a very strong argument our squad would have been weakened over the summer.

Let's not pretend aquilani has been part of our squad for the last two years. His exit would make no difference

Dickerty

flanzer wrote: »

I guess it takes time to trawl through the book of excuses.

Just blame it on some over-eager site admin and move on. It's clearly not that close to being confirmed.

whatawaster

whatawaster wrote: »

Let's not pretend aquilani has been part of our squad for the last two years. His exit would make no difference

If he stayed and gave us his all he could be a fantastic addition to the squad.

However, I'm fully expecting him to have a cracking pre-season with us,and then píss off to Italy by Sep 1st

Mr Alan

whatawaster wrote: »

Let's not pretend aquilani has been part of our squad for the last two years. His exit would make no difference

It would if we plan on spending £10m & £15m on someone to play in a similar role in midfield. Dalglish never should have let him go, Rodgers doesn't get a pass if he makes the same mistake without bringing a better midfielder into the team.

Dickerty

Mr Alan wrote: »

Either we are conducting our business in remarkable secrecy (not likely when the Borini & potential Dempsey deals played out/are playing out in the open) or else we are heading towards a quite frankly incredibly disappointing summer.

There are 6 weeks left! Just because we knew about these two doesn't mean we know them all. There was also rumours of Blaszczykowski, Ramirez, Moses, Davies, Allen, Johnson, Sturridge...

There is no chance we know all the targets yet, and no chance that the list of ins and outs you had would be the final one.

noodler

Well:

Lucas
Cole (You never know)
Aqualani
Kelly

All back fit is a major plus.

Adding Dempsey and Boroni to that isn't too bad.

I really expected this window to be one of the more low key in recent years.

I never got the feeling that Aquilani really wanted to stay in England tbh.

Was more than happy heading back home.

As for his troll of an agent...

whatawaster

Mr Alan wrote: »

whatawaster wrote: »

Let's not pretend aquilani has been part of our squad for the last two years. His exit would make no difference

It would if we plan on spending £10m & £15m on someone to play in a similar role in midfield. Dalglish never should have let him go, Rodgers doesn't get a pass if he makes the same mistake without bringing a better midfielder into the team.

He doesn't want to be here, I thought that was fairly obvious. If we let Aquilani go and buy another midfielder, that midfielder will be a long term solution. Aquilani will never get another contract at Liverpool.

I could live with our squad as it is if we added Lucas backup and a wide player. Dempsey will replace Bellamy if he comes in.

like it or not I reckon Sterling is going to play a really big part this season

Mr Alan

LOL He really isn't.

I reckon he'll do well to get a start in the league & will make maybe around 5 sub appearances.

And re: Aquilani, he's been quite vocal in saying he has no problem staying at Liverpool, but he can only do that if he's told he's in the managers plans & he doesn't wanna stay to just make up numbers. Fair enough.

whatawaster

Mr Alan wrote: »

LOL He really isn't.

Why is that laughable?

Rodgers clearly thought he was worth premier league football a year ago

Phoenix Park

noodler wrote: »

Well:

Lucas
Cole (You never know)
Aqualani
Kelly

All back fit is a major plus.

Adding Dempsey and Boroni to that isn't too bad.

I really expected this window to be one of the more low key in recent years.

Sometimes you know.

5starpool

Alan and Lloyd must have met and agreed a shift system of posting. Very sensible lads, ensure full daily coverage

SlickRic

G.K. wrote: »

Imo Allen's got something about him far more than most of the British youngsters, but at that price you could get a young player several rungs higher up the ladder.

on the money.

Allen is a very good little player, but you could get Belhanda this summer for about that, and he's on another planet IMO.

Mr Alan

whatawaster wrote: »

Why is that laughable?

Rodgers clearly thought he was worth premier league football a year ago

He'd have been a bit part player at Swansea.

See my edited post above, if you disagree we can put a little wager on it

Ric, now don't tell me porkies, how many times have you watched Belhandra play.....:)

Chucky the tree

SlickRic wrote: »

on the money.

Allen is a very good little player, but you could get Belhanda this summer for about that, and he's on another planet IMO.

How do you know?

SlickRic

Mr Alan wrote: »

And re: Aquilani, he's been quite vocal in saying he has no problem staying at Liverpool

what he says, and what he actually would like to do, are probably completely different things.

it's patently obvious he doesn't like it in England.

he's just biding his time, on his decent wage, until a decent Italian teams comes in. Aqua does not give a shít.

Knex*

5starpool wrote: »

Alan and Lloyd must have met and agreed a shift system of posting. Very sensible lads, ensure full daily coverage

Good. Stops this place from getting too quiet

SlickRic

Chucky the tree wrote: »

How do you know?

i don't for a fact.

but in all likeihood, given his contract status, and the fact he's not quite hit the status of European superstar yet, and the fact there would be no English/British premium, i'd be confident enough we could get him for under £20m if we made a proper push for him.

opr

I don't have a clue what's going on in this thread over the last few pages.

Edit - It reads like some have been on the beer all day.

Opr

Mr Alan

SlickRic wrote: »

what he says, and what he actually would like to do, are probably completely different things.

it's patently obvious he doesn't like it in England.

he's just biding his time, on his decent wage, until a decent Italian teams comes in. Aqua does not give a shít.

This is entirely at odds with what Dalglish, Rodgers & Aquilani have said.

Leiva

Trust me Joe Allen is no Charlie Adam which is a good thing .

But as mentioned the fee or between £10-£15 million is crazy and we could land Bellhanda for that .

But for me the Bellhanda talk gets labelled under "fantasy" like that of the Aguero, Hazard etc links

missingtime

opr wrote: »

I don't have a clue what's going on in this thread reading over the last few pages.

Opr

Probably because you don't fit the system.

SlickRic

Mr Alan wrote: »

This is entirely at odds with what Dalglish, Rodgers & Aquilani have said.

all talk IMO, from all of them.

if he stays and puts in a shift for us, then I'll happily retract.

but at the moment, everything is just talk. it's the same with Rodgers as a whole. i'm enjoying everything that he's said so far - he's said all the right things. but that doesn't convince me of him yet, at all.

just like all the talk in the world about or from Aquilani doesn't convince me of anything until he actually does it.

NukaCola

SlickRic wrote: »

on the money.

Allen is a very good little player, but you could get Belhanda this summer for about that, and he's on another planet IMO.

Why would Belhanda want to move to LFC? Seriously why?......

Allen is a very good prospect and would be a good addition for the right price.

opr

opr wrote: »

I don't have a clue what's going on in this thread over the last few pages.

Edit - It reads like some have been on the beer all day.

Opr

It's phase 2 - Crystal Meth.

Leiva

rarnes1 wrote: »

It's phase 2 - Crystal Meth.

Speaking of Crystal Meth the reports I am hearing of the new series of Breaking Bad are that its excellent ...cant wait !

now back on topic .....