Draw Muhammad Day III

dlofnep

Thunderfoot has released a new video, encouraging people to take part in Draw Muhammad Day III. Without actually seeing the video, one might think that this is just a hollow effort at annoying followers of Islam. But the message is an important one - solidarity with Hamza Kashgari, a Saudi who was accused of blasphemy (and potentially apostasy). He may face public execution.

And what were his tweets that were so horribly offensive, worthy of such damnation?

• On your birthday, I shall not bow to you. I shall not kiss your hand. Rather, I shall shake it as equals do, and smile at you as you smile at me. I shall speak to you as a friend, no more.
  
• On your birthday, I find you wherever I turn. I will say that I have loved aspects of you, hated others, and could not understand many more.
  
• On your birthday, I will say that I have loved the rebel in you, that you've always been a source of inspiration to me, and that I do not like the halos of divinity around you. I shall not pray for you.

I present you with Thunderfoot's video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpa8oswmpWY

So what are your views? Is this a campaign of substance? Should we allow ourselves to permit religion to be above freedom of speech? Should we stand in solidarity with those who are charged with the absurd crime of blasphemy? And if so - what is the best way to go about it?

Dades

I'm not sure I see the merit in deliberately antagonising Muslims.

dlofnep

Dades wrote: »

I'm not sure I see the merit in deliberately antagonising Muslims.

Is the sole aim to extend solidarity, or is it to antagonise? Although, I'm sure that there will be some who's only aim is to antagonise. But in the spirit of art, and freedom of expression - it could also be a genuine poetic attempt at extending solidarity. At least, that's my view.

dlofnep

I would add - that we should all at least have the freedom of expression to express ourselves without being murdered. That is the key issue in this campaign as I see it.

Gbear

dlofnep wrote: »

I would add - that we should all at least have the freedom of expression to express ourselves without being murdered. That is the key issue in this campaign as I see it.

Yeah.

It's easy to deride drawing Mohammed or burning Korans as stupid petty **** stirring but they pale into insignificance when you compare them to the stupidity, ignorance and tyranny embodied by the violent reactions to them.

Doctor DooM

The absolutely best thing I thought came out of Draw Mohammed Day was the response from some Muslims who went around changing pictures they found in funny ways, so it no longer resembled Mo.

Admist all the childish wailing and knashing of teeth (on both sides), including some Muslim countries going to the point of temporarily banning facebook, this seemed to me to be a little bit of progress towards actual rationality.

UDP

Is this thread not supposed to have drawings?

Here's my quick attempt:

dlofnep

Go on so.. Here's mine.

Gbear

UDP wrote: »

Is this thread not supposed to have drawings?

Here's my quick attempt:

Less pirate, more mohammed! :pac:

dlofnep

Yeah, I saw a bit of Jack Sparrow in him alright!

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

it'd be great if somewhere on the planet the "super awesome friends" episode of south park aired today

MagicMarker

Here's my effort....

robindch

Dades wrote: »

I'm not sure I see the merit in deliberately antagonising Muslims.

There's a fine line between non-islamics deliberately antagonizing islamics, and islamic leaders using something innocuous to incite hatred within their flock.

Last time the Mohammad cartoons came 'round, I'd say most of the noise was due to the latter. Especially when the team of roving mullahs who'd toured the Middle East whipping up hatred decided to add a new cartoon of their own depicting Mo as a pig.

Anyhow, bearing in mind the usual islamic theological view of Mo, here's my cartoon:

joseph brand

I'll just leave this here.

frozenfrozen

<|;DG<

muhammad with a hat on... masturbating.

ShooterSF

So last time my painful inability to "draw good" was shown up so this time I acually persuaded Mo and two of my favourite unicorns (also really exist) to pose in a photo. I hope that isn't cheating. Here mo plays the role of "Charlie".

Canis Lupus

My absolute fave. When I first saw this in the funny side of religion thread I almost coughed up a lung from laughing so hard. When I got told off on facebook I explained the artist was Mohammed

biko

stolen from Mohammad LOL thread in Humour.

Rev Hellfire

Dades wrote: »

I'm not sure I see the merit in deliberately antagonising Muslims.

I think the point is less about antagonising Muslims but rather exercising your 'right' to express yourself freely. Use it or lose it.

Undergod

We should draw whoever we damn well feel like drawing.

Delirium

Morbert

Dades wrote: »

I'm not sure I see the merit in deliberately antagonising Muslims.

While it is certainly satisfying, and I am well aware that this will sound like rationalizing the issue, I see it as a good thing to expose the absurdity of holding images sacred.

Zillah

We're also setting the bar of expectation high. A cartoonist is much less likely to get stabbed in the street for a comic he drew if there are thousands of people drawing Moe every year. Sure the Imam's might literally weep now and then but their expectations will adjust and they'll be less drama queens about it.

Turtwig

Might want to put a NSFW tag around this thread or at the very least thump me on the head. A Muslim just saw this post and laughed. I think her life could be in danger now.

stevejazzx

This reminds of when protesters outside a movie end up inadvertently generating huge publicity for it thereby making it more profitable.
They should have realised this kind of reaction would ensue or are they really that delusional that they expected the whole of western civilisation to lie down?
If they hadn't had murdered someone over this issue before and weren't now threatening the life of another man over an equally trivial matter then yes this event would count as antagonising; as I see it at the moment however, its kind of a form of self defense.

fitz0

stevejazzx wrote: »

This reminds of when protesters outside a movie end up inadvertently generating huge publicity for it thereby making it more profitable.

Hotblack Desiato

Doctor DooM wrote: »

The absolutely best thing I thought came out of Draw Mohammed Day was the response from some Muslims who went around changing pictures they found in funny ways, so it no longer resembled Mo.

If pictures of him aren't allowed, how do they know what he looks like?

recedite

Here's a veiled picture of Mo drawn by Muslims before they decided any drawing of the boss was evil. I heard the Chester Beatty Library have some very early ones depicting the face as well, but for some reason they don't like to put them on display. I'm putting the link in to redress the balance cos I find the quality of atheist art on display in this thread to be alarmingly poor.
Is there no atheist Caravaggio out there?

fitz0

He's on fire! Quick, someone put the prophet out!

recedite

See, the prophet prophesied that sometime in the future, his image would be flamed by people on the internet, hence the depiction.

fitz0

Does that mean he should be depicted as a troll too?

Muhammed -->

Amtmann

I just had lunch with someone who thinks that drawing Mo is disgraceful, because it involves "smug, educated white people deliberately provoking uneducated people from the safety of their 'high horses'".

Needless to say, a spirited debate ensued!

Gbear

Amtmann wrote: »

I just had lunch with someone who thinks that drawing Mo is disgraceful, because it involves "smug, educated white people deliberately provoking uneducated people from the safety of their 'high horses'".

Needless to say, a spirited debate ensued!

I suppose there's another kind of arrogance held by your friend here when he assumes that muslims are obviously too ignorant to be held accountable for how they react to the drawings.

Mark Hamill

Amtmann wrote: »

I just had lunch with someone who thinks that drawing Mo is disgraceful, because it involves "smug, educated white people deliberately provoking uneducated people from the safety of their 'high horses'".

Needless to say, a spirited debate ensued!

I hope you asked him/her how smug it is to call all muslims uneducated.

sbsquarepants

Was browsing reddit yesterday and came across this mohamed and "friend":eek:

(Can't get it to embed for some reason)

Amtmann

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Was browsing reddit yesterday and came across this mohamed and "friend":eek:

(Can't get it to embed for some reason)

Not suitable for work, btw!

sbsquarepants

Sorry, i probably should have said that!

Canis Lupus

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Was browsing reddit yesterday and came across this mohamed and "friend":eek:

(Can't get it to embed for some reason)

Ah lol, the face on that donkey!

Brown Bomber

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Was browsing reddit yesterday and came across this mohamed and "friend":eek:

Classy. :rolleyes:

sbsquarepants wrote: »

(Can't get it to embed for some reason)

Yeah, course you can't. Which hate site did you pull it from?

MagicMarker

Quick sbsquarepants, run! Brown Bomber is here, run and don't look back!!!

sbsquarepants

Brown Bomber wrote: »

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Was browsing reddit yesterday and came across this mohamed and "friend":eek:

Classy. :rolleyes:


Yeah, course you can't. Which hate site did you pull it from?

Hate site? Hardly. I'm not a hatefull person, but I never claimed to have any deference or respect for the beliefs of any particular group.
As far as i'm concerned beliefs aren't worthy of respect. People, yes. Their imaginary friends, no. Their imaginary friends, imaginary donkey sex slave, absolutely not!
You can expect me to behave otherwise all you want but you'll only be disappointed.

Brown Bomber

sbsquarepants wrote: »

As far as i'm concerned beliefs aren't worthy of respect. People, yes. Their imaginary friends, no.

So you respect "people" but not their beliefs? Strange then that you posted this statement within hours of your "artwork".

What kind of cretin worships such a príck (Muhammed)?

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Hate site?

Yes. Hate site. I can't imagine that you would find such a disgraceful and intentionally hateful image anywhere else.

Are you prepared to share the source or not? And if not, what are you trying to hide?

MagicMarker

He already said he got it from reddit.

Sarky

He's only trying to deflect attention from his own prejudices.

Brown Bomber

MagicMarker wrote: »

He already said he got it from reddit.

Which if true only redirects to the actual source, which is what I am trying to find out and what is trying to be concealed.

Brown Bomber

Sarky wrote: »

He's only trying to deflect attention from his own prejudices.

Says the user with a needlessly offensive avatar.

MagicMarker

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Which if true only redirects to the actual source, which is what I am trying to find out and what is trying to be concealed.

Christ, does everything have to be a big conspiracy with you? No one's trying to conceal anything. Your browser is capable of visiting reddit, is it not? Well the picture was only posted on here yesterday, so I'm sure if you pay reddit a visit you'll be able to find the source post haste.

Sarky

You don't like Skeletor? Racist.

fitz0

Sarky wrote: »

You don't like Skeletor? Racist.

Well that show was pretty homo-erotic. The religious tend to have issue with things like that.

Sarky

Homoerotic? I think the word you meant to use was "f*ckwin".

fitz0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32FB-gYr49Y