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Right to be annoyed with parents already signing over property to sibling?

  • 20-05-2012 11:54am
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭


    So, my brother has made a return to his homeplace. Although, he had a job and a house elsewhere... he wanted to return home. He decided to live in my parents other house. Time passed... and eventually he asked my dad (who owned the property) to sign it over to him coz he wanted to build a house of his own. Something to do with the fact that it had to be in his name to be allowed to build apparently... So, my dad signed over...

    I'm annoyed at this for a few reasons... firstly- why is he behaving like my dad is about to die- asking him to sign the property over to him.
    Is it because my brother was afraid that if it wasn't all signed and sealed that it would go to a sibling instead?
    I'm also disguisted at the thoughts that I know my brother won't stop at that. He will want more money from my parents...
    Surely, the fairest thing my parents should have done would be to sign over everything - share and divide equally to their children?

    I just don't like the favouritism and the greed.


    Am I right to be annoyed at this?
    Your thoughts would be great... thanks.


Comments

  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,211 ✭✭✭Susie_Q


    I can completely understand why you're annoyed, but you have to remember this is your parents' property and your parents' decision. You don't have to agree with it but at the end of the day it's really nothing to do with you. Let it go and get on with your life.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭Cunning Stunt


    The only case where I think you should say something would be if your father was maybe not in a fit state of mind for making such decisions ie. suffering from alzheimers etc..

    Otherwise what your father does with his own property is his own business and you should respect that, however hard it is.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,252 ✭✭✭✭stovelid


    Not a straightforward moral position to take if you're simply annoyed because you think he's taking your eventual cut of the property away.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 582 ✭✭✭emmabrighton


    I know of two occasions where this has happened and in both instances the sibling who got the parent to sign over the property got it in the end.

    In one family, the farm was signed over to one of two daughters. When her mother died she sold the property - during the boom - and the other daughter got nothing.

    In another family, the farm was passed over the son who had stayed at home to farm the land and instead signed to another son who had never worked a day on the farm himself. He ended up selling the property, keeping the money and the son who had worked the farm never saw any of the money and was forced to emigrate and work on someone else's property instead.

    Its a sad thing but if it is your fathers preference, what can you do?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,563 ✭✭✭leeroybrown


    You've every reason to be annoyed but your father has every right to do what he did. Unfortunately, experience has shown me that family members are capable of subjecting each other to some of the lowest and most underhand treatment.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    I agree that it is my father's decision to do what he wants with his property. Maybe 5 years ago he would have been pleased to hand it over. However, my brother and his wife had numerous heated arguments over silly things with my parents. As a result, my Dad became ill. Thankfully, he's much better now.

    I don't expect to get anything. I'm not on the make/ looking forward to the death of my parents. Far from of it in fact. No amount of money or property can replace your parents.

    Honestly.. it shocks me how children have parts of their parents property ear-marked for themselves!! What happened to making a wage and buying a house of your own?? So stovelid, I don't know how you assumed that I was afraid of him taking part of what I could eventually get.

    Both my parents don't agree with how it was done. It's annoyed me that they did it because they were practically bullied into it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,563 ✭✭✭leeroybrown


    Is it just one site/house that's been signed over? I'm assuming he just requested that the second house be signed over so he could re-build there? If that's the case then, while I don't condone his behaviour, if he needed a mortgage then he'd require title over the land to get it. Without the title the house wouldn't be saleable and the bank wouldn't have proper collateral.

    In this case for parents could/should consider him provided adequately for and make sure their will reflects that when they divide their remaining assets.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,026 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    Can't remember why he needed it in his name.. but he did give a reason.

    I think I'm also upset because I want things to stay the same forever. I want my parents to own their property... and for that to never change. Unfortunetly, that's just unrealistic. :(

    Yes, it's just one site that has been signed over... for now. Surprised he hasn't started working on getting more. Then again... maybe he has without me knowing!

    I also just feel like he only moved home to grab the property rather than being closer to parents now that they are getting older. Instead he really uses them... for favours/ odd jobs/ work/ even loans!

    Now, if I was asked them to sign over property (which I wouldn't), I would be told where to go... and rightly so too!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,555 ✭✭✭✭AckwelFoley


    My personal opinion is if my dad wanted to, while in sound mind sign his estate over to a monkey named bert its his right to do so, its his.

    In your case if your sibling wants to build a house, they technically dont own the house if they dont own the site its built on. Deeds are attached to the site not the building.


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