We are always tied to what we renounce

Onesimus

I was thinking about this. A priest goes to another priest for advice and all he can talk about is sex. A prostitute goes to the same priest for advice and all she can talk about is God.

The idea is that we are always tied to what we renounce and I see a lot of respectful atheists here on the forum and continous trolls too, and I see that all they can talk about, and all they can think about is nothing but God whether it be done is a respectful or nasty manner.

hmmm

Just a few thoughts so feel free to take it apart if you wish. :pac:

Insect Overlord

People in discussion of religion in a religion forum shocker! :eek:

Your point makes no sense. Your opening sentences are fresh off the top of your imagination.

Your second paragraph is just lazy extrapolation based on your own fictitious priests and prostitute. The people you refer to talk about sports, art, politics, video-games, food and drink in other forums here too. They quite clearly think about plenty besides deities and rituals. There's a hell of a lot more to their world than just god. Pardon the pun.

Now, I think that's your OP nicely taken apart.

Onesimus

Insect Overlord wrote: »

People in discussion of religion in a religion forum shocker! :eek:

Your point makes no sense. Your opening sentences are fresh off the top of your imagination.

Your second paragraph is just lazy extrapolation based on your own fictitious priests and prostitute. The people you refer to talk about sports, art, politics, video-games, food and drink in other forums here too. They quite clearly think about plenty besides deities and rituals. There's a hell of a lot more to their world than just god. Pardon the pun.

Now, I think that's your OP nicely taken apart.

Of course, but I often find that people who have a problem with one particular subject, it always seems to be the one that is at the forefront of their mind as opposed to say anything else.

It's easy to talk about anything and that doesnt neccesarily mean we are tied to it. I guess it's what we hate the most or renounce the most that we are really and truly tied to, not just what we discuss.

Nice response by the way.

PDN

It would explain why some posters here seem so obsessed with the subject of homosexuality.

Hunchback

That chap from the Westborough Baptist Church springs to mind (Fred Phelps??)

PDN

CKonetheonlyone wrote: »

That chap from the Westborough Baptist Church springs to mind (Fred Phelps??)

Very true. The Pope also.

homer911

I think you have a point - I think its the Holy Spirit inspiring our conscience, although those who don't belive in God wouldn't credit it as such

Didn't St. Paul wrestle with his "thorn in the flesh"

prinz

There is something to it if somebody is obsessed with whatever it is they are renouncing. I don't think it's always applicable. There are things I renounce every chance I get, but I'm not obsessed with them, or have some sort of untoward attraction either.

Brer Fox

PDN wrote: »

Very true. The Pope also.

What do you mean by that?

The Pope is not always talking about homosexuality. He certainly cannot be compared with the dreadful Phelps. He's the universal pastor so he teaches, and sometimes he has to teach about homosexuality. It's his duty as Pope to teach, even on unpopular subjects. I take my information directly from the Pope and not the spin the media puts on it. This is how the media works - it's just an example and the Pope did not say this exact thing but he could have:

Pope: ''Only by respecting the Creator's design for sexuality can man find the true purpose for his sexuality.''
Media spin: ''Pope says homosexuals bound for hell.''

Then non-Catholics and even Catholics, who don't/can't use the internet to get the deal on what the Pope really said, say, ''Gosh that Pope Benedict guy is a real jerk!'' Too bad for them they have judged and condemned the Supreme Pontiff of the Holy Catholic Church on the say-so of the popular media.

The media is FAR MORE OBSESSED about sex than the Pope. The Pope makes one vague reference in a homily and the media have kittens about it for weeks.

gimmebroadband

It's the militant homosexuals that are the most dangerous, they preach 'tolerance', when their actions are far from it!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Za0ZvliA3AM

Sonics2k

gimmebroadband wrote: »

It's the militant homosexuals that are the most dangerous, they preach 'tolerance', when their actions are far from it!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Za0ZvliA3AM

This is absolutely disgusting, and full of nonsense propaganda.

How dare you post something so vile and obviously homophobic.

Your religious views are your own business, but this is just sick and wrong.

Keylem

Sonics2k wrote: »

This is absolutely disgusting, and full of nonsense propaganda.

How dare you post something so vile and obviously homophobic.

Your religious views are your own business, but this is just sick and wrong.

It's disgusting behavior alright, those thugs should be jailed, for peacefully proclaiming the Gospel! :rolleyes:

Corkfeen

So there's militant atheists, secularists and now militant homosexuals.... One of course mustn't forget the militant black civil right movement. Rosa Parks forcing tolerance upon people, how dare they, disgraceful behavior...

Making out, that all behavior that doesn't fit with what you expect of the world, cannot be claimed to be militant and it is an idiotic argument, unless you consider all pursuits of equality to be militant. In which case, by your logic it would be fair to blame all people who expect freedom of religion to be militant. I do consider that to be a human right even as an atheist, I assume this makes me militantly Religious-Atheistic-Secularist-Homosexual, probably dozens more.... Holy Crap..... :eek: I'm a walking paradox apparently....

Benny_Cake

gimmebroadband wrote: »

It's the militant homosexuals that are the most dangerous, they preach 'tolerance', when their actions are far from it!!!

Well, that group seem pretty obsessed about homosexuality. Are they tied to what they renounce?

Doc Farrell

As regards extremism, we can only Hate what we fear so the real question becomes what does the person who Hates what they think I believe really fear?

Militancy is the first reaction, the first fightback. But ultimately an issue is won by unity through strength of numbers. At that stage humour is a wonderful indication that the tide has turned. To be blanket bombed by mockery is a good indication that I may be wrong on a subject.

That is why moderate thinking is so essential, because eventually, extremists of all hues must find a way to live together.

A few, like Mr. Hitler in Paris and Berlin, would prefer to burn the world down before accepting a compromise but thankfully, in the developed world at least, he is in a tiny minority. Except on the Internet!

Brer Fox

If we have truly renounced what we claim to have renounced (most especially sin), then we are not tied to it. If we are free in Christ, then we are free indeed. However, this is a lifelong process. There is always some attachment to the old man and his old ways that must be destroyed.

So if somebody is still tied to something negative, then there is still more work for the soul and God to do together. Not easy, but it really has to be engaged in if we are to get to where God wants us to be.