Islamic ban on 'Satan Gaga' Star ordered to axe Jakarta concert by cops

Corkfeen

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

And she has no plans to tone it down.

http://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/world-news/lady-gaga-will-not-tone-down-show-3118665.html

Fair play to her while I'm not a fan of her music. I think the fact that she is maintaining her integrity by not being dictated to by theocracies to be rather admirable. You go on about her being immoral yet i'd view theocracies to be infinitely more immoral by removing many human rights that people have the right to.

dead one

Tom Dunne wrote: »

Where do I start?

I think I'm done here.

Is it your excuse... There is no difficulty in understanding me... What I am saying is quite clear like crystal...Tell me what did you not understand... you've understood and now when there is no point to argue you've started cursing my English...

Jiminy13

It wishy washy ted

ceannair06

Let's get this straight.

Only one person dictates what I listen to - me.

Not Hot Press, not the cool brigade and definitely not Allah!

the_syco

dead one wrote: »

As a human it is my duty to tell the danger which my eyes have seen... If you don't then you're traitor to humanity... You're not fair with you own kind... Will you be fair with your own self... See, I ain't traitor to my own kind.. I ain't a selfish gene as you are..

Speaking as an apostle to the most high God of all Gods, I must question who are you to deem people traitors to humanity?

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

And she has no plans to tone it down.

http://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/world-news/lady-gaga-will-not-tone-down-show-3118665.html

Good. To do so would to let the hard-liners who threatened violence get away with it. And by violence, I'd say we can safely assume they mean suicide bombers. Luckily they are not true muslims, but unfortunately them claim to be muslim, and thus blacken the name of all muslims.
I pray that my God of all Gods ensure that te life of these false muslims ends badly, and that they get reincarnated as a gay mans sex toy.

dead one

the_syco wrote: »

Speaking as an apostle to the most high God of all Gods, I must question who are you to deem people traitors to humanity?

A person who supports corruption of other person is a traitor to humanity... Don't you see what your society has done to women... Women are just treated as sex symbols... They are brought into the movies just for sex scenes... They are brought in movies only of decoration and business of the movies.. and now the same culture is destroying Islamic society.. Your society has made woman a culture butterfly and that's what lady gaga has been doing in Indonesia... You don't know the honor of mother/sister/wife... Because you have been brainwashed in the name of freedom... These wind of freedom had made you women naked and now you want Muslim men/women to be naked... So everyone who supports such nakedness and impurity is traitor humanity... It you can't resist corruption at least you shouldn't follow it..if you don't want yourself to be called traitor.. Don't worry with my rhythmic English..

KamiKazi

dead one wrote: »

A person who supports corruption of other person is a traitor to humanity... Don't you see what your society has done to women... Women are just treated as sex symbols... They are brought into the movies just for sex scenes... They are brought in movies only of decoration and business of the movies.. and now the same culture is destroying Islamic society.. Your society has made woman a culture butterfly and that's what lady gaga has been doing in Indonesia... You don't know the honor of mother/sister/wife... Because you have been brainwashed in the name of freedom... These wind of freedom had made you women naked and now you want Muslim men/women to be naked... So everyone who supports such nakedness and impurity is traitor humanity... It you can't resist corruption at least you shouldn't follow it..if you don't want yourself to be called traitor.. Don't worry with my rhythmic English..

Mark Hamill

dead one wrote: »

Don't you see what your society has done to women... Women are just treated as sex symbols...

I believe that its your (preferred) society that is under the impression that any woman, regardless of how she dresses, acts, speaks or thinks is inevitably a sexual distraction to men unless they completely cover up. So which society is it that actually treats women as sex symbols?

Corkfeen

dead one wrote: »

the_syco wrote: »

Speaking as an apostle to the most high God of all Gods, I must question who are you to deem people traitors to humanity?

A person who supports corruption of other person is a traitor to humanity... Don't you see what your society has done to women... Women are just treated as sex symbols... They are brought into the movies just for sex scenes... They are brought in movies only of decoration and business of the movies.. and now the same culture is destroying Islamic society.. Your society has made woman a culture butterfly and that's what lady gaga has been doing in Indonesia... You don't know the honor of mother/sister/wife... Because you have been brainwashed in the name of freedom... These wind of freedom had made you women naked and now you want Muslim men/women to be naked... So everyone who supports such nakedness and impurity is traitor humanity... It you can't resist corruption at least you shouldn't follow it..if you don't want yourself to be called traitor.. Don't worry with my rhythmic English..

Firstly, women aren't solely to act as sex symbols in films. You're merely watching the ones where they do, although you strike me as a person who thinks Clarice Starling is supposed to be a sex symbol... If allowing women to make their own choices makes me brainwashed, then me not being racist would also make me brainwashed. You sir are a bigot, your stances are sexist and ancient. I take it that you believe that the world should be under an Islamic theocracy? I don't think that I'm the person who's brainwashed....

dead one

Mark Hamill wrote: »

I believe that its your (preferred) society that is under the impression that any woman, regardless of how she dresses, acts, speaks or thinks is inevitably a sexual distraction to men unless they completely cover up. So which society is it that actually treats women as sex symbols?

It's actually your society... Butterfly culture is product of your society not the islamic society.... In pure Islamic society, women don't advertise their parts to attract men or to flourish business... Prevention is better than cure... That's why muslim women hides their parts... Exposing part will lead some serious problem in the minds of children... See, what would be better example than movies... western show full part of women in their movies to cheat emotion of human so that more people watch these movies...That's how your culutre has made women as sex symbols... Figures of women have been uses to advertise commercial/programs/movies... I hope mark hamil you wouldn't escape from reality easily..

dead one

Corkfeen wrote: »

Firstly, women aren't solely to act as sex symbols in films. You're merely watching the ones where they do, although you strike me as a person who thinks Clarice Starling is supposed to be a sex symbol... If allowing women to make their own choices makes me brainwashed, then me not being racist would also make me brainwashed. You sir are a bigot, your stances are sexist and ancient. I take it that you believe that the world should be under an Islamic theocracy? I don't think that I'm the person who's brainwashed....

Hey corkfeen, i am an atheist i believe in evidence... The evidence suggests that Islam is right...That's why i prefer Islam.. Look around your society.. You talk of women’s liberalization is nothing but a disguised form of exploitation of her body, degradation of her soul, and deprivation of her honour. Western society claims to have ‘uplifted’ women. On the contrary it has actually degraded them to the status of concubines, mistresses and society butterflies who are mere tools in the hands of pleasure seekers and sex marketeers, hidden behind the colourful screen of ‘art’ and ‘culture’... The old argment, you have no answer for it

Mark Hamill

dead one wrote: »

It's actually your society... Butterfly culture is product of your society not the islamic society.... In pure Islamic society, women don't advertise their parts to attract men or to flourish business...

So your society tells women not to display 90% of their bodies because it will invariably attract men, but thats not a case of society making women sex symbols, and my society allows women to dress attractively, if they want to, but that is a case of society making all women sex symbols? In my society, a women is a "sex symbol" because of the way she dresses and acts, and she can alter these on a whim, usually with fairly small changes, all the while keeping whatever femininity she feels like. In your society, a woman is a sex symbol simply by virtue of being a women, and the only way to change that fact is to completely eliminate all notions of femininity from view.

dead one wrote: »

Prevention is better than cure...

Inoculation is better than prevention. Prevention leads to constant worry, as there is always the possibility the prevention (which has to be constant) will fail. With inoculation, you don't need to worry (after a certain point). You teach people to approach it maturely, not by hiding sexuality, but by explaining that its a healthy part of life, not an all consuming addiction, then people can enjoy it (at an appropriate age) and get on with the rest of their life too.

dead one wrote: »

That's why muslim women hides their parts... Exposing part will lead some serious problem in the minds of children... See, what would be better example than movies... western show full part of women in their movies to cheat emotion of human so that more people watch these movies...That's how your culutre has made women as sex symbols... Figures of women have been uses to advertise commercial/programs/movies... I hope mark hamil you wouldn't escape from reality easily..

You may have to give an example of what you are talking about, because in the west there are fairly strict rules about what you can show to kids in movies and tv and media in general (movies have age ratings, tv have watersheds etc).
Even if what you are saying is true, why not just apply your reasoning to children (as, you say, its kids minds that are effected). Why does islam treat all like children?

Corkfeen

dead one wrote: »

Hey corkfeen, i am an atheist i believe in evidence... The evidence suggests that Islam is right...That's why i prefer Islam.. Look around your society.. You talk of women’s liberalization is nothing but a disguised form of exploitation of her body, degradation of her soul, and deprivation of her honour. Western society claims to have ‘uplifted’ women. On the contrary it has actually degraded them to the status of concubines, mistresses and society butterflies who are mere tools in the hands of pleasure seekers and sex marketeers, hidden behind the colourful screen of ‘art’ and ‘culture’... The old argment, you have no answer for it

You don't believe in evidence as you have already proven or else you don't know what the word means. In terms of what you stated 'concubines, mistresses and society butterflies ', I'd actually think one of the few places where this may actually apply is in Islamic states as a result of women have limited rights in contrast to a man. (I know this does not apply to all of the states) Women have set duties that they should follow as if they're a dyson hoover under Islam.

Women don't solely have sex in films, they have actual roles in many films. :pac: In fact pretty much every job is open to women besides some religious roles. I don't know how exactly you can attribute this freedom of choice to pursue whatever career you want as degrading them to the role of concubines, mistresses etc..

Would you say all of the women on this list are concubines?
http://www.catalyst.org/publication/271/women-ceos-of-the-fortune-1000
This is your so called 'liberalisation' of women or as the rest of the world calls it gender equality.

In terms of film, the best actress for the Oscars this year was Meryll Streep. I'll be honest her playing Margaret Thatcher never struck as particularly sexy but I guess Dead One has some particularly interesting preferences. :pac: In fact the only best actress in the past ten years that had a role that was in any way sexy was Natalie Portman in 'Black Swan'. However her acting was exceptional and the role was far more disturbing than any sexiness. I don't really understand how you can consider any acting roles that has nudity or sex to be consider some strange form of sexploitation.

Just because you have dated views on the role of women, it doesn't mean you can actually argue that you're being rational about your decision. Everything that I have ever seen you state lacks any realm of rationality. You haven't produced any evidence for your claims and you're completely deluded in your viewpoint (which includes acceptable reasons to beat a woman).

yes, dead one's ideal seems to be that women are mothers, wives or whores... that's why dead one views all women as objects

Corkfeen

bluewolf wrote: »

yes, dead one's ideal seems to be that women are mothers, wives or whores... that's why dead one views all women as objects

He seems like such a lovely fellow. :pac:

dead one

bluewolf wrote: »

yes, dead one's ideal seems to be that women are mothers, wives or whores... that's why dead one views all women as objects

whores--- They are product of your culture.. your system... Where women are being sold in the name of freedom and you fully support it.. In Islamic culture there are pure relation like mother/sister/daughter and wives instead of whores...Isn't irony.. I am here to tell where your civilization is leading and what would become ultimately of it.... . killing your own civilzing with its own dagger... and then you're telling me

bluewolf wrote: »

that's why dead one views all women as objects

I don't see view all women as objects... it your society presents...

using women's part to sell products.. and every one here knows who views women as object... it's not dead one who runs these dirty business... and i know why are you supporting it...

donaghs

dead one wrote: »

whores--- They are product of your culture.. your system... Where women are being sold in the name of freedom and you fully support it.. In Islamic culture there are pure relation like mother/sister/daughter and wives instead of whores...Isn't irony.. I am here to tell where your civilization is leading and what would become ultimately of it.... . killing your own civilzing with its own dagger... and then you're telling me.

I think you've shown your hand now "dead one". That's just pure intolerance and hatred. I hope you don't live in a Western society, with all that inner-hate brimming inside of you.

Anyone who's read a bit of history would know that prostitution (or "whores" if you prefer) is as old as people. No society is immune from it. It has managed to exist within all sorts of strictly religious societies, from Saudi Arabia to Inquisition Spain. It brings to mind the story about the explorer Richard Francis Burton who when in the British Army in the 19thc. was asked to conduct an investigation into the male brothels of Karachi (mostly boys). The Brits weren't so worried about the long existence of these places in this Islamic society, rather that British officers might have been frequenting them. (incidentally Burton also made a visit to Mecca disguised as an Afghan). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Francis_Burton

Mark Hamill

dead one wrote: »

whores--- They are product of your culture.. your system... Where women are being sold in the name of freedom and you fully support it.. In Islamic culture there are pure relation like mother/sister/daughter and wives instead of whores...Isn't irony.. I am here to tell where your civilization is leading and what would become ultimately of it.... . killing your own civilzing with its own dagger...

If whores are the product of western culture, then why does your islamic culture have so many rules for islamic women, in islamic culture, to prevent them becoming whores. Seems to me that your islamic culture just assumes whores as a product of womankind, anywhere they may be, if they dont cover 90% of their bodies.

dead one wrote: »

I don't see view all women as objects... it your society presents...

using women's part to sell products.. and every one here knows who views women as object... it's not dead one who runs these dirty business... and i know why are you supporting it...

Society isn't presenting that woman as anything, she is presenting herself (as an implied benefit of buying the car). If she dressed a little differently, and wasn't draped over a car in a seductive fashion, then she wouldn't be interpreted as immediately sexually available. And she can do so if she likes.

Tom Dunne

dead one wrote: »

In Islamic culture there are pure relation like mother/sister/daughter and wives instead of whores...

I live and work in a Muslim country. In this country, women who work for the government are not entitled to the same allowances as men. Despite the fact they do the same job, they are paid less, purely because they are women.

Is this how Islamic cultures values their "mother/sister/daughters"?

dead one wrote: »

I don't see view all women as objects...

No, you don't see them as objects, you see them as possessions that must be subjugated.

endacl

oceanclub wrote: »

HamletOrHecuba wrote: »

The thing is that a lot of what she does is basically sorcery- using images, etc to bewitch and control people. Also her music is aimed at young who havent built up their own centres yet and so are easily taken in and seduced.

So make the concert over 18s. Here's a hardcore religious minority have stopped all consenting adults from seeing an artistic performance. That is the worst kind of censorship and really only different from the Taliban in a matter of degree.

P.

While I agree with your sentiment, you might be stretching the limit of 'artistic' there....

endacl

oceanclub wrote: »

I don't know about you, but I'm convinced:



P.

You be careful now. What the illuminati don't want you to know is that tinfoil hats actually work as brain signal amplifiers. Unless you line them with a 2:1 mix of chopped banana skins and crunchy peanut butter that is. If you haven't heard from me in two days, you'll know they've got to me. Don't let them get to you! Don't skimp on the peanut butter....

MisterEpicurus

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I commend Islamic Clerics for speaking out about this devil worshiping woman She is nothing but an exceptionally well paid puppet for the Illuminati and their occult agenda of corrupting the morals of society.

Pot-Kettle-Black.

Don't you think it's a bit rich for you to preach about Lady Gaga corrupting the morals of society when the Islamic clerics you praise are responsible for banning women from driving and all the other misogynistic practices.

All in the name of tradition eh?

endacl

P.[/QUOTE]
Islam is dangerous to the freedom which is dangerous to your existence.. See the fruits of that freedom around you, dear ocean club. Every thought is imprisoned yet you call it freedom.[/Quote]
Any chance you could translate that into sane for us? Google translate crashed when I tried it there.

endacl

oceanclub wrote: »

What about if a slight majority of people here agreed that Islam was dangerous to freedom and banned it? Would that be acceptable?

P.

Slight majority would be democratic. No point arguing that.

endacl

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

The Islamic police should have gone about this matter another way

"in the general interests of public safety and that of the music star we have recommended her not to perform"

In that way they can't be accused of censorship. .

Not censorship. But it would sound suspiciously like an 'offer of insurance' from Fat Tony...:rolleyes:

endacl

Tom Dunne wrote: »

So are you saying that "our kind" should not be enjoying ourselves?

We are. I've just found this thread. Great craic. Pity its in the Islam forum though. As a guest here I don't want to offend the sensible majority....

endacl

dead one wrote: »

Would you allow your own wife/sister to do what she has been doing... The answer is no... Why do you have these double standards, dunne..

'Allow'? Seriously....?:eek:

paddyandy

Gaga is Evil but the western Culture does'nt understand the cascading effect of Immodesty .Every thing bad in the World BEGINS with Immodesty .We are not educated enough in morals to understand that fact .

endacl

bluewolf wrote: »

yes, dead one's ideal seems to be that women are mothers, wives or whores... that's why dead one views all women as objects

And scapegoats. Don't forget scapegoats.... His own confused version of 'she made me do it'.

Corkfeen

endacl wrote: »

While I agree with your sentiment, you might be stretching the limit of 'artistic' there....

It may not fit with your definition of artistic. But to be fair on the woman her performances are rather unique in terms of how she seems to pretty much be the sole designer of her concerts. This is exceedingly artistic and creative, much more so than the average singer. She also wears beef well....

endacl wrote: »

Slight majority would be democratic. No point arguing that.

To be fair, banning a religion based on the majority, may be democratic. However it is in fact a breach of human rights which I personally believe supercedes any democratic majority. If the majority supported slavery in the morning, it would still be unacceptable to restart it. I may have possibly misunderstood you though....

paddyandy wrote: »

Gaga is Evil but the western Culture does'nt understand the cascading effect of Immodesty .Every thing bad in the World BEGINS with Immodesty .We are not educated enough in morals to understand that fact .

I don't really get why there's this effort going amongst people to claim that nations that are Theocratic are more moral than Western states. This obsession with immodesty, it's nobody's business what way a person dresses and does not in any way reflect on their 'morality'. Wars and all the other bad things in the world are not as a result of immodesty.... Creating a divide between people and constant judging is far more of a source of the 'bad' in the world. I'm personally rather happy with the fact that we don't limit personal freedoms based on holy books in this country. (anymore anyway)