Young, out but not game for the 'scene'?

TheShyGuy

Hi there!

I suppose I should start with a bit about my self before I get into the issue that I'm 'having' lets put it! :rolleyes:

I'm a young enough chap, 18-23 age range and I'm out, by my own doing. I'm not in college, and I'm out of work as well at the moment so I've had a LOT of time freed up to skulk around! But heres the problem... I've tried these 'online dating places' (Example G-Dar, I dunno am I allowed to type the full name on here so I won't!) and I've found that there primary function is essentially for those once-off-nsa genitalia bumping events, of which I have no interest. I'm from Limerick and basically I'm just not into the whole Gaybars/Gay clubs thing either! because of the general feel or "atmosphere" of people who frequent those places. I wouldn't call them the.. most welcoming to someone young and just looking for a few beers and a laugh (Those of you from Limerick will get a laugh off that, theres now neither a gay bar or club! :eek:).

So now the primary reason I'm dribbling onto the keyboard - Is anyone else in a situation like this? Am I just a general freak-of-nature for not being into the NSA stuff? Kinda muddled in my head with what can be done about it to meet others and not be faced with a do or die, NSA or F.O situation? and if there is anyone else like this.. how do you meet "like minded individuals"?! :pac:

Thanks for any helping advice or "Just shut up.." that may follow :pac:

Annasopra

no - lots of people are like this - not into meeting for sex and not really into pub/club scene

Captain Graphite

TheShyGuy wrote: »

Am I just a general freak-of-nature for not being into the NSA stuff?

Absolutely not. There are plenty of guys out there like you, trust me. I'd be in the same age range as you and I've never been into the whole NSA thing either, and while I do love pubs and clubs I find gay bars a little grating; they can be fun at time but the music is nearly always crap!

Gaydar is pretty notorious for being home to mostly pervs and horndogs; there are a few decent guys on it I'm sure but they're few and far between. Had an account there for a couple of months out of curiosity. Wasn't long before I ended up deleting it. There are other sites (like OK Cupid and Plenty of Fish) where you'd see less of "that sort of thing" (God I sound like an awful prude now! :pac:) They're primarily dating sites but you can still find people just to chat with and stuff without being asked "send pic of ur cock plz" every few minutes.

Anyway point is you are certainly not alone as regards not being into the whole scene. So don't think you're a freak or anything.

TheShyGuy

Captain Graphite wrote: »

God I sound like an awful prude now! :pac:

Not at all, to each their own! The same would apply to the Gaybar / Gay club thing. I just noticed that could come across offensive to people, it's not suppose too! :eek: I'm a man for the drink myself, I just didn't enjoy the Limerick Gaybar/Club/Thing

Untense

TheShyGuy wrote: »

Hi there!

I've tried these 'online dating places' (Example G-Dar, I dunno am I allowed to type the full name on here so I won't!) and I've found that there primary function is essentially for those once-off-nsa genitalia bumping events, of which I have no interest.

Primarily. But they're not the only ones using it. It's worth having a profile on gaydar on the offchance you might happen upon someone like-minded (and cute). You can always just post 'Not interested in NSA' on your profile and ignore any messages that you don't like.

I'm from Limerick and basically I'm just not into the whole Gaybars/Gay clubs thing either! because of the general feel or "atmosphere" of people who frequent those places.

Not everyone in these places is going to have the same attitude, but I know what you mean. There does seem to be an odd attitude in the Cork places, I don't find it very friendly on the whole.

Am I just a general freak-of-nature for not being into the NSA stuff? Kinda muddled in my head with what can be done about it to meet others and not be faced with a do or die, NSA or F.O situation? and if there is anyone else like this.. how do you meet "like minded individuals"?! :pac:

No, you're not unusual. Most of my gay friends (me included) have that attitude. But there's no 'easy' way to meet people you like. You have to give people the benefit of the doubt and make your own motivations clear to others.

There will be people who are in to NSA in any of the places gays congregate (as with 'straight' places). If you're afraid of getting in to an "NSA or F.O situation", I imagine if I had that fear I would be turned off going out. But what does that actually mean?
If it came to that (NSA or F.O), presumably you'd be telling this person early on what your intention is (it would be your job to make your intention clear, since nobody else can know what you want, and if you don't communicate what you want they might assume you're interested in NSA).

At this point the person would have a choice, they would either decide that they are interested in getting to know you or they decide they would rather have sex with someone with no strings attached. But notice that it's you who would have brought up your intention, not them. They might decide they're interested in NSA. But that's not a 'F.O' or rejection of you, that's just them following their likes/dislikes, the same as you're doing. Is there any problem with that? They go off and do their thing, you go find someone else who is interested in your thing.

TheShyGuy

Untense wrote: »

There will be people who are in to NSA in any of the places gays congregate (as with 'straight' places). If you're afraid of getting in to an "NSA or F.O situation", I imagine if I had that fear I would be turned off going out. But what does that actually mean?
If it came to that (NSA or F.O), presumably you'd be telling this person early on what your intention is (it would be your job to make your intention clear, since nobody else can know what you want, and if you don't communicate what you want they might assume you're interested in NSA).

I think you've picked that up in a harsh light but it's not a fear of being put in that situation I communicate pretty well with regards to the NSA thing :pac:

Maybe using "NSA or F.O" was a bit harsh of a statement for what I was trying to portray

Aurongroove

I see your angle, and I did feel the same, but just because you wouldn't be up for a a big piss up night out dosn't mean you can't for example go for a pint or two (or even just a glass of lemonade) in a gay venue one evening and say hello to a few people.

If anything this is actually a lot harder then booze soaked early hours because people having an evening drink tend to not be on out especially to socialise and instead are just having a quiet one after work or whatever.
I started my 'gay adventure' not 5/6 months ago and the first thing I did was go to a bar one or two evenings just to have a look around.

Eventually I had the confidence to begin saying hy to people without wanting to eat my own face off.

There is also the avenue of going to day events, gay sports clubs, or you can join and go to community meetings.

if you're stuck or you have any questions sher give us a NSA(ironic use) PM.

Conor30

TheShyGuy wrote: »

Hi there!

I suppose I should start with a bit about my self before I get into the issue that I'm 'having' lets put it! :rolleyes:

I'm a young enough chap, 18-23 age range and I'm out, by my own doing. I'm not in college, and I'm out of work as well at the moment so I've had a LOT of time freed up to skulk around! But heres the problem... I've tried these 'online dating places' (Example G-Dar, I dunno am I allowed to type the full name on here so I won't!) and I've found that there primary function is essentially for those once-off-nsa genitalia bumping events, of which I have no interest. I'm from Limerick and basically I'm just not into the whole Gaybars/Gay clubs thing either! because of the general feel or "atmosphere" of people who frequent those places. I wouldn't call them the.. most welcoming to someone young and just looking for a few beers and a laugh (Those of you from Limerick will get a laugh off that, theres now neither a gay bar or club! :eek:).

So now the primary reason I'm dribbling onto the keyboard - Is anyone else in a situation like this? Am I just a general freak-of-nature for not being into the NSA stuff? Kinda muddled in my head with what can be done about it to meet others and not be faced with a do or die, NSA or F.O situation? and if there is anyone else like this.. how do you meet "like minded individuals"?! :pac:

Thanks for any helping advice or "Just shut up.." that may follow :pac:

Liking the 'scene' isn't a prerequisite requirement to being a 'proper gayer'. Some people are into, others aren't. In the straight world, some people also aren't into pubs & clubs.

Karty55

I'm in the same situation really. I was only been in 31 twice neither time being particularly enjoyable. Not a fan of it really but at the same time i'm pretty shy as it is which doesn't help matters much. So yeah you are not alone there.

TheShyGuy

Thanks for the replies guys! :P I don't half as... weird now.

Coming out was the hardest part they said... I laugh at them!

ninty9er

31 has closed down, so the only scene in Limerick is the "gay nights" in Dolans and Sin Bin.

They don't particularly appeal to me. On nights out I sometimes feel like I'm the only gay guy in {insert club name here} even thought that's not statistically likely, but it's just the fear of the story the following day over the lunchtime fry with the lads of "that awkward moment when ninty9er came on to yer one's boyfriend in Icon", though it's not particularly more embarrassing than what happens the lads with women:D

I'm just a little older than you, maybe hanging out with a few friends and their college friends would give some more chance of meeting a few more gay guys, there are literally hundreds in Limerick in the 18-23 age group.

Karty55

ninty9er wrote: »

31 has closed down, so the only scene in Limerick is the "gay nights" in Dolans and Sin Bin.

They don't particularly appeal to me. On nights out I sometimes feel like I'm the only gay guy in {insert club name here} even thought that's not statistically likely, but it's just the fear of the story the following day over the lunchtime fry with the lads of "that awkward moment when ninty9er came on to yer one's boyfriend in Icon", though it's not particularly more embarrassing than what happens the lads with women:D

I'm just a little older than you, maybe hanging out with a few friends and their college friends would give some more chance of meeting a few more gay guys, there are literally hundreds in Limerick in the 18-23 age group.

I feel the same. Going out with my friends kind of sucks sometimes as they are usually all with their girlfriends or whatever. Same with the whole I must be the only gay guy here thing. But you get used to it I guess.

TheShyGuy

ninty9er wrote: »

31 has closed down, so the only scene in Limerick is the "gay nights" in Dolans and Sin Bin.

They don't particularly appeal to me. On nights out I sometimes feel like I'm the only gay guy in {insert club name here} even thought that's not statistically likely, but it's just the fear of the story the following day over the lunchtime fry with the lads of "that awkward moment when ninty9er came on to yer one's boyfriend in Icon", though it's not particularly more embarrassing than what happens the lads with women:D

I'm just a little older than you, maybe hanging out with a few friends and their college friends would give some more chance of meeting a few more gay guys, there are literally hundreds in Limerick in the 18-23 age group.

This is just the general feeling of the whole gay but not being in a gay bar thing. It sucks but I've learned to drink to the point where finding out whos gay and who isn't is the least of my concerns! :rolleyes:

ninty9er

TheShyGuy wrote: »

This is just the general feeling of the whole gay but not being in a gay bar thing. It sucks but I've learned to drink to the point where finding out whos gay and who isn't is the least of my concerns! :rolleyes:

Not technically the correct response to the situation but it's not specific to gays

TheShyGuy

ninty9er wrote: »

Not technically the correct response to the situation but it's not specific to gays

Ofcourse, I'm just applying that to this situation! :eek:

one must learn to thread, carefully.

ninty9er

TheShyGuy wrote: »

Ofcourse, I'm just applying that to this situation! :eek:

one must learn to thread, carefully.

Just to be clear I'm saying drinking excessively isn't the answer, but most people in a club do it, not anything else.

UL_heart_throb

Sounds like you need a good wing man and a couple of good gay mates so you can get out there meeting people and don't have to be off your trolley.

TheShyGuy

ninty9er wrote: »

Just to be clear I'm saying drinking excessively isn't the answer, but most people in a club do it, not anything else.

Haha!! I got that :pac: and I didn't mean drinking to lights-out state. Just to the point where the craic is inevitable If I was drinking to numb the pain, I'd give up.

As for threading carefully I mean the manner in which things are worded. Now I look like I've a much bigger issue!

ninty9er

TheShyGuy, he's an alco:p

TheShyGuy

ninty9er wrote: »

TheShyGuy, he's an alco:p

And so... It begins :mad:

ninty9er

You could always come along to one of the Limerick Boards meets. There'd be at least 1 other gay there. We must be due one as well.

TheShyGuy

ninty9er wrote: »

You could always come along to one of the Limerick Boards meets. There'd be at least 1 other gay there. We must be due one as well.

Given my recently acquired reputation here... :pac:

1ZRed

Hey theshyguy:),
I've just turned 18 recently and I'm not into the whole gay scene yet. I go out with my straight friends to normal clubs/bars.
Because I'm not really out yet (just to a few friends) I don't feel comfortable going to gay bars and stuff but all I want is NSA sex because I'm not ready for a boyfriend or any of that sh1t just yet.
I'm on a year out but wasn't able to get a job so I had waaaay to much time to think and I've kind of gone backwards on the whole "accepting my sexuality" thing
I think once I get into college I'll figure things out properly instead of just ignoring it. I'm bisexual and I'd like to have a boyfriend but I just can't get my head around the idea of it.
I'm sure you're not weird or anything, I'm not on the gay scene yet because I need to figure out where I stand on my sexuality but once I do, I think I'll be much happier:)

I agree with locker, I've met loads of guys at straight clubs as well. It's not as easy to tell who's gay or not like a gay bar but you CAN meet people there too.

Locker10a

Shyguy im in the same age group as you, and im not that keen on the scene either if im honost! I spend most of my nights out in straight clubs with my friends and believe it or not i have got the shift there off guys and get attention off guys more often than i would have ever expected. I was textin one guy i was with for a while but i didnt want anything at the time but it is possible to meet someone in a straight club.
Regarding the scene in dublin there is probably more varity and choice when it comes to going out here as opposed to Limerick, so i find some places in Dublin ok for nights out and no as sterotypical of "the scene"!

coolperson05

My attitude has always been the company you're with makes the night out. Not the pub. If it's gay/straight, you're friends will set the tone. You can get the shift most places (I'm not familiar with Limerick so can't speak personally). But guys know when they're being checked out, just be a little flirty! See what happens the weekend!

Aurongroove

Of course when dealing with straight people in a gay bar it's absolutely their responsibility to be civil and respectful to come-ons and people assuming they're gay. But still it's not nice putting your heart on the line and 15 minutes later getting a polite "oh by the way I'm straight, but I love chatting with you"

so a quick sneaky little question usually does the trick. my absolute favourite to ask a group is "so, you're having a gay night out?" Which usually immediately leads to one of the members of the duo/trio/quarter listing out either why they're there or listing everybody's orientation "well, myself and Tom are straight and Dick and Harry are gay!"

if it's one to one I usually wind up using some sort of observation, "there's no way you're gay"(person answers) "yeah, it;s just something about my taste in men, I always wind up picking the one straight person in the entire bar"(which is true in my case)

typing it out it looks so ****ing cheesy, but you get the picture.

coolperson05

Aurongroove wrote: »

Of course when dealing with straight people in a gay bar it's absolutely their responsibility to be civil and respectful to come-ons and people assuming they're gay. But still it's not nice putting your heart on the line and 15 minutes later getting a polite "oh by the way I'm straight, but I love chatting with you"

so a quick sneaky little question usually does the trick. my absolute favourite to ask a group is "so, you're having a gay night out?" Which usually immediately leads to one of the members of the duo/trio/quarter listing out either why they're there or listing everybody's orientation "well, myself and Tom are straight and Dick and Harry are gay!"

if it's one to one I usually wind up using some sort of observation, "there's no way you're gay"(person answers) "yeah, it;s just something about my taste in men, I always wind up picking the one straight person in the entire bar"(which is true in my case)

typing it out it looks so ****ing cheesy, but you get the picture.

Brilliant! Find out the lay of the land straight away!

Aurongroove

lol, that it. For me it's a necessity. It's a lot more work fitting all the contingencies into a conversation when you don't know which event you're competing in.

NoobSaibot5

I wouldn't feel weird if I were you OP. I started off on the gay scene at 17, and by 22 I'm bored of it already. It just doesn't fit me, and I tried for way too long to make myself fit. It didn't suit me. If anything, I've more of a laugh in straight bars these days! Though I do sometimes go to gay bars with friends, but I mainly ever go out with straight friends so if I'm ever going in it's because they've decided they want a gay night out lol

Cant say I know how Limerick works out for it's social setting, but I'm sure it's a unniversal thing for gay men where some don't feel they fit the mold. I wouldn't worry about it

out of town

I am from out of town in Limerick for a week, and am sad to find that in 2012 most of the gay bars/clubs etc. are no longer in business. Where is the gay community here and how do they entertain themselves? lost: out-of-town friend

TheShyGuy

Thanks for the responses peeps :rolleyes:

out of town wrote: »

I am from out of town in Limerick for a week, and am sad to find that in 2012 most of the gay bars/clubs etc. are no longer in business. Where is the gay community here and how do they entertain themselves? lost: out-of-town friend

Yeah I think there is a once a month thing in Limerick now and that's it. B31 closed down like, 2 weeks ago? Limerick is a pretty dire if I'm honest, Need to get the fork outta 'ere :eek:

1ZRed

TheShyGuy wrote: »

Thanks for the responses peeps :rolleyes:



Yeah I think there is a once a month thing in Limerick now and that's it. B31 closed down like, 2 weeks ago? Limerick is a pretty dire if I'm honest, Need to get the fork outta 'ere :eek:

I'm really surprised there's no gay bar at all!?
You'd think with the college students there would be at least one left open.
Seriously, get your ass outta there!:P

TheShyGuy

1ZRed wrote: »

I'm really surprised there's no gay bar at all!?
You'd think with the college students there would be at least one left open.
Seriously, get your ass outta there!:P

Yeah I'd think the same but to honest, it was only even active of a Saturday night and that just wouldn't make ends meet. I guess?

As for getting my ass out there... WHERE?!

1ZRed

TheShyGuy wrote: »

Yeah I'd think the same but to honest, it was only even active of a Saturday night and that just wouldn't make ends meet. I guess?

As for getting my ass out there... WHERE?!

F*cked if I know!.....DUBLIN?!:D

I've only ever been to straight clubs so I don't know where to find the gay places. They're damn allusive as far as I'm concerned!:P

TheShyGuy

1ZRed wrote: »

F*cked if I know!.....DUBLIN?!:D

I've only ever been to straight clubs so I don't know where to find the gay places. They're damn allusive as far as I'm concerned!:P

Hahaha! I've tried Dublin once... I got stalked and that was horrific (I don't want to say much incase they're here! ). Maybe I should I try again!?

Maybe I'll just go to one of those bootcamps that make you straight!

1ZRed

TheShyGuy wrote: »

Hahaha! I've tried Dublin once... I got stalked and that was horrific (I don't want to say much incase they're here! ). Maybe I should I try again!?

Maybe I'll just go to one of those bootcamps that make you straight!

I can't say I was ever stalked but when I was over in Manchester a few months back in a normal club, some guy came up to me saying he recognised me and wanted to meet up later. Allthewhile my straight friends were right there beside me pissin themselves. I wasn't even out to anyone! The slagging I got was unreal:o

Those boot camps are a waste of money by the way. I hear only 40% effective.
You need to get yourself into the priesthood. That seems to sort those dirty gheys out once and for all!:p

Freiheit

The White House has a gay friendly reputation,do much of a gay (or transgender!)fraternity actually hang out there though?. I actually like that old style,poetic atmosphere,although staff not always that friendly.

I remember a girl working there,I just wanted to be like her,exacerbated my transness but it's a nice place.

Pedant

Freiheit wrote: »

The White House has a gay friendly reputation

Well Abraham Lincoln lived there, so yeah, it must be gay friendly.

TheShyGuy

1ZRed wrote: »

I can't say I was ever stalked but when I was over in Manchester a few months back in a normal club, some guy came up to me saying he recognised me and wanted to meet up later. Allthewhile my straight friends were right there beside me pissin themselves. I wasn't even out to anyone! The slagging I got was unreal:o

Those boot camps are a waste of money by the way. I hear only 40% effective.
You need to get yourself into the priesthood. That seems to sort those dirty gheys out once and for all!:p

That must have been awkward as hell... Did you meet up with him afterwords? :rolleyes: :pac:

Dare I ask how you know the success statistic of a Gay-to-straight bootcamp?

Freiheit wrote: »

The White House has a gay friendly reputation,do much of a gay (or transgender!)fraternity actually hang out there though?. I actually like that old style,poetic atmosphere,although staff not always that friendly.

I remember a girl working there,I just wanted to be like her,exacerbated my transness but it's a nice place.

Most places are "gay friendly" now I suppose. Bentleys is another, I think? oh and Costellos for the studenty type (if someone does go to Costellos based on this advice, I take no responsibility if you end up a permanent fixture to the floor. It hasn't seen a wash since the early 20th century.)

1ZRed

TheShyGuy wrote: »

That must have been awkward as hell... Did you meet up with him afterwords? :rolleyes: :pac:

Dare I ask how you know the success statistic of a Gay-to-straight bootcamp?




Most places are "gay friendly" now I suppose. Bentleys is another, I think? oh and Costellos for the studenty type (if someone does go to Costellos based on this advice, I take no responsibility if you end up a permanent fixture to the floor. It hasn't seen a wash since the early 20th century.)

Haha it was completely unexpected because I was with this girl a few minutes before he came up to me. Must of tripped off his gaydar regardless.
The lads pointed that out nicely!:rolleyes:

I wish I met up with him though. He was really hot but I was too far in the closet:(

I'm in London for 3 days in June so hopefully I'll be on the pull!;)
England is on another level compared to here!


EDIT: The poor bootcamp did nothing for me:( still chasing the guys!

ninty9er

What's the need of gay bars anyway? Anytime I did go to 31 I seemed to find more gay guys in Costellos or Icon afterwards.

TheShyGuy

1ZRed wrote: »

Haha it was completely unexpected because I was with this girl a few minutes before he came up to me. Must of tripped off his gaydar regardless.
The lads pointed that out nicely!:rolleyes:

I wish I met up with him though. He was really hot but I was too far in the closet:(

I'm in London for 3 days in June so hopefully I'll be on the pull!;)
England is on another level compared to here!


EDIT: The poor bootcamp did nothing for me:( still chasing the guys!

Dirt bird. That is the collection of words that comes to mind! I joke... Enjoy it! :mad: (Thats one of those bitter jealous smiles... incase it was too subtle)

ninty9er wrote: »

What's the need of gay bars anyway? Anytime I did go to 31 I seemed to find more gay guys in Costellos or Icon afterwards.

Themed nights, No judgement at all (There is still some of 'those' out there) etc... There are benefits to gay bars I suppose but they do tend to have a 'clique' within, I feel anyway.

1ZRed

ninty9er wrote: »

What's the need of gay bars anyway? Anytime I did go to 31 I seemed to find more gay guys in Costellos or Icon afterwards.

There isn't really a need for them and I've met guys in clubs before. I think it would be easier to go to a gay bar where everyone is looking for the same thing instead of sussing the guys out to see which one is gay/bi or whatever.

1ZRed

TheShyGuy wrote: »

Dirt bird. That is the collection of words that comes to mind! I joke... Enjoy it! :mad: (Thats one of those bitter jealous smiles... incase it was too subtle)




Themed nights, No judgement at all (There is still some of 'those' out there) etc... There are benefits to gay bars I suppose but they do tend to have a 'clique' within, I feel anyway.

I've never been called a 'dirt bird' before. Thanks for that man;)

Can't wait for London!(yeah I'd thought I would rub it in a bit:p)
One annoying thing though, It's my sister that sorted the trip for my birthday and she wanted to go as well.
I'm not out to her so not much freedom in getting with guys when I know she'll be keeping an eye on me:rolleyes:

TheShyGuy

1ZRed wrote: »

I've never been called a 'dirt bird' before. Thanks for that man;)

Can't wait for London!(yeah I'd thought I would rub it in a bit:p)
One annoying thing though, It's my sister that sorted the trip for my birthday and she wanted to go as well.
I'm not out to her so not much freedom in getting with guys when I know she'll be keeping an eye on me:rolleyes:

Sure if you get caught you can do 1 of 3 things.

Option A) Deny it all, convince her she's lost the aul marbles

Option Come out to her after the ordeal.

Option C) Claim you were so pissed you've no idea what went on or you got spiked.

They are all waterproof...

Have you ever been out in London before? It's unreal...

1ZRed

TheShyGuy wrote: »

Sure if you get caught you can do 1 of 3 things.

Option A) Deny it all, convince her she's lost the aul marbles

Option Come out to her after the ordeal.

Option C) Claim you were so pissed you've no idea what went on or you got spiked.

They are all waterproof...

Have you ever been out in London before? It's unreal...

All airtight. I shouldn't have anything to worry about so:p

Yeah first time in London. I'm trying not to hype it up because everyone says its unreal. Easier said than done though!

Would you recommend any clubs?

out of town

Thanks all for your friendly feedback and suggestions! I heard positive things about The White House (on O'Connell Street), George Hotel (on Shannon Street), and the Angel Lane and The Icon (around Denmark Street) from an artist gallery owner around the area. A person at The Blind Pig (was 31 Thomas Street) mentioned about the Rafters/Globe on Cecil Street.

Hope to see some of you in these places! My email address is bm42667@gmail.com if you want to communicate and plan to meet. btw, I am originally from India living and working in Tennessee, USA. Here on conference travels till Sunday. Warm regards, Bharat

TheShyGuy

1ZRed wrote: »

All airtight. I shouldn't have anything to worry about so:p

Yeah first time in London. I'm trying not to hype it up because everyone says its unreal. Easier said than done though!

Would you recommend any clubs?

Depends what part of London your in really but don't do what we done and end up stumblin into one of those "Dark Room Clubs" - You'll get the shock of your life! :eek:

hobbitshay

where do you meet gay mates if your not into the scene?

Annasopra

hobbitshay wrote: »

where do you meet gay mates if your not into the scene?

Gay Friendly off scene places
The Internet
Clubs and Groups

An Cuinneach

hobbitshay wrote: »

where do you meet gay mates if your not into the scene?

Wet and Wild outdoors sports/hiking/social group. Every gay guy (and girl) should be given it's brochure when they come out. :cool: