Kenny will not debate with Adams on the Vincent Browne Show.

thecommietommy

Has a major blow been struck to the Yes campaign and the FG/Labour govt as Kenny will not debate with Adams ?

Kenny rules out TV3 debate, says: “I do not do the Vincent Browne programme”
http://www.thejournal.ie/kenny-rules-out-tv3-debate-says-i-do-not-do-the-vincent-browne-programme-446617-May2012/

thebman

thecommietommy wrote: »

Has a major blow been struck to the Yes campaign and the FG/Labour govt as Kenny will not debate with Adams ?

Kenny rules out TV3 debate, says: “I do not do the Vincent Browne programme”
http://www.thejournal.ie/kenny-rules-out-tv3-debate-says-i-do-not-do-the-vincent-browne-programme-446617-May2012/

Well he isn't backing down from a debate with Adams, just refusing to go on vb again.

johngalway

No.

What's unclear about his statement below?

"I am very happy to debate with Deputy Adams but I do not do the Vincent Browne programme.”

He didn't refuse to debate with Adams as you suggest, he just won't debate on a programme with VB moderating.

Typical Ireland, complaining about politicians telling the truth!

Dirk Gently

Kenny getting great mileage out of his VB tiff. Coincidently it means he can take the soft rte option any time a leaders debate is mentioned. I've no real interest in kenny v adams, neither are great debaters but Kenny is making full use of his get out of jail free card.

thecommietommy

thebman wrote: »

Well he isn't backing down from a debate with Adams, just refusing to go on vb again.

johngalway wrote: »

No.

What's unclear about his statement below?

"I am very happy to debate with Deputy Adams but I do not do the Vincent Browne programme.”

He didn't refuse to debate with Adams as you suggest, he just won't debate on a programme with VB moderating.

Typical Ireland, complaining about politicians telling the truth!

" TAOISEACH ENDA KENNY has ruled out the possibility of a head-to-head debate with Sinn Féin leader Gerry Adams on TV3."

http://www.thejournal.ie/kenny-rules-out-tv3-debate-says-i-do-not-do-the-vincent-browne-programme-446617-May2012/

thecommietommy

Dirk Gently wrote: »

Kenny getting great mileage out of his VB tiff. Coincidently it means he can take the soft rte option any time a leaders debate is mentioned. I've no real interest in kenny v adams, neither are great debaters but Kenny is making full use of his get out of jail free card.

" Kenny getting great mileage out of his VB tiff. " :eek: How do you see that ? Surely it's the No campaign who will get the mileage out of it. Seems like the FGers are going to try turning logic on it's head and tell us it's a great victory for Enda

thebman

thecommietommy wrote: »

" TAOISEACH ENDA KENNY has ruled out the possibility of a head-to-head debate with Sinn Féin leader Gerry Adams on TV3."

http://www.thejournal.ie/kenny-rules-out-tv3-debate-says-i-do-not-do-the-vincent-browne-programme-446617-May2012/

TAOISEACH ENDA KENNY has ruled out the possibility of a head-to-head debate with Sinn Féin leader Gerry Adams on TV3 saying he will not appear on a programme moderated by Vincent Browne.

Apply for the a job with a tabloid TBH.

Must be hard work ignoring what things are actually about to come up with your own version of events to suit your own agenda.

Howjoe1

i'm pretty sure matt cooper stated kenny has refused to come on his show also? i stand to be corrected.

But imho, if the leader of the country refuses to engage with media shows that many voters watch & listen to, can he really expect me to vote YES without these debates?

Dirk Gently

thecommietommy wrote: »

" Kenny getting great mileage out of his VB tiff. " :eek: How do you see that ? Surely it's the No campaign who will get the mileage out of it. Seems like the FGers are going to try turning logic on it's head and tell us it's a great victory for Enda

I was referring to kennys get out of going on the vincient browne show card, which I believe is disingenuous but advantageous to him personally. It means he can avoid shows like VB and simply recite PR uninterrupted on other less enquiring shows. I was being critical of kenny, incase you missed it.
Also, I'm not a blueshirt.

thebman

Howjoe1 wrote: »

i'm pretty sure matt cooper stated kenny has refused to come on his show also? i stand to be corrected.

But imho, if the leader of the country refuses to engage with media shows that many voters watch & listen to, can he really expect me to vote YES without these debates?

I'm sure he is not the only one of our politicians that refuses to do so, just one of the few ones to publicly state it so explicitly.

But if you have a state broadcaster so you can avoid hard questions then why would you go out to be slaughtered by being asked questions people actually want answers to and being pressured when you try to avoid answering them?

Much better to let the people still trying to make a name for themselves in the party do that and potentially destroy their chance a political career if they make a massive mistake.

Sierra Oscar

Adams knew only too well that Kenny would not enter into the debate - he would not have put forward the proposal in the first instance otherwise. Why has he today refused to enter into a one on one debate with Micheál Martin?

Nothing to see here only a political stunt orchestrated by the SF press office.

VinLieger

thecommietommy wrote: »

" TAOISEACH ENDA KENNY has ruled out the possibility of a head-to-head debate with Sinn Féin leader Gerry Adams on TV3."

http://www.thejournal.ie/kenny-rules-out-tv3-debate-says-i-do-not-do-the-vincent-browne-programme-446617-May2012/

Jesus did you just ignore that entire article and read what you wanted to read?
All that article says is Vincent Browne has stepped aside.
Enda simply hasnt had a chance to respond.

Nodin

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Adams knew only too well that Kenny would not enter into the debate - he would not have put forward the proposal in the first instance otherwise. Why has he today refused to enter into a one on one debate with Micheál Martin?

Nothing to see here only a political stunt orchestrated by the SF press office.

.....I doubt Gerry is aware of just how thin skinned Enda is. Well, he is now, obviously......

The Waltzing Consumer

Wow, that's quite the misleading title :rolleyes:

I am sure there is plenty of stuff we can accuse Enda about, so why in the world does the OP have to lie and make stuff up?

paky

enda kenny doesnt 'do' vincent brown? wtf, hes a total coward. hes afraid vincent brown might ask some questions which havent been choreographed as they are on rte. hes a joke of a man

christmas2012

he's acting like a stuck up celebrity,''i dont do the vincent browne show''LOL,hes a politician by backing out of a debate he lacks credibility which will look bad for him,especially if its brought up to him again about backing out,it makes gerry adams seem more credible.id say there could be another reason for backing out,wonder is their something personal adams could have brought up that is not in the public eye yet who knows..
ill say one thing for vincent he doesnt let them off the hook he gives them a good grilling..

thebman

christmas2012 wrote: »

he's acting like a stuck up celebrity,''i dont do the vincent browne show''LOL,hes a politician by backing out of a debate he lacks credibility which will look bad for him,especially if its brought up to him again about backing out,it makes gerry adams seem more credible.id say there could be another reason for backing out,wonder is their something personal adams could have brought up that is not in the public eye yet who knows..
ill say one thing for vincent he doesnt let them off the hook he gives them a good grilling..

I don't think it does, Bertie never went on it did he? Did Brian Cowen? I can't remember really.

Seems like our Taoiseach's usually stick to the cover of RTE to avoid pressure questions.

Enda obviously has other reasons for not going on like the suicide comment

Fenian Army

VinB has offered to let someone else chair it... I say he would have been fairly impartial anyway seen as he hates Gerry

Endas excuse not to go on is ridiculous anyway, it was a metaphor although VinB probably should have said "fall on his sword" instead.

thecommietommy

thebman wrote: »

I don't think it does, Bertie never went on it did he? Did Brian Cowen? I can't remember really.

Seems like our Taoiseach's usually stick to the cover of RTE to avoid pressure questions.

Clowen refused to go on it, VB got him at a press conference in a hotel though

K-9

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Adams knew only too well that Kenny would not enter into the debate - he would not have put forward the proposal in the first instance otherwise. Why has he today refused to enter into a one on one debate with Micheál Martin?

Nothing to see here only a political stunt orchestrated by the SF press office.

Indeed, Martin is very good in European debates so I think Adams is picking and choosing his opponents.

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

Wow, that's quite the misleading title :rolleyes:

I am sure there is plenty of stuff we can accuse Enda about, so why in the world does the OP have to lie and make stuff up?

Title edited. I've no reason to think the OP lied or made it up, just a mistake.

Border-Rat

K-9 wrote: »

Indeed, Martin is very good in European debates so I think Adams is picking and choosing his opponents.

If a politician did not pick and chose his opponents tomorrow, it would be a world first.

Fenian Army

What is the point in having a one on one debate with Martin? Gerry said he would be wiling to do a leaders debate, if anyone is to champion the yes side in a one on one debate surely it should be Enda or Gilmore, people who have real power and influence, people who can be challenged on how they will pay for a yes vote, where the extra cuts will come etc etc

There is little point in a one and one between opposition TDs, an all party leaders debate sure.

Six of One

Will he accept the debate with Ursula Halligan moderating?
http://www.tv3.ie/pr_sub.php?type=2&view_pr=227

I am not familiar with the Enda Kenny -v- Vincent Brown issue, did something happen between them?

Fenian Army

Six of One wrote: »

Will he accept the debate with Ursula Halligan moderating?
http://www.tv3.ie/pr_sub.php?type=2&view_pr=227

I am not familiar with the Enda Kenny -v- Vincent Brown issue, did something happen between them?

VinB said something like "is it time for him to go into a dark room with a bottle of whiskey and a revolver?" ie step down as leader

Six of One

Oh yeah I remember that!

Someone above said Enda Kenny is acting like a stuck up celebrity. Whenever I read " I don't do the Vincent Browne show" I picture him doing the 'talk to the hand' action.

Thepoet85

" I don't do the VB show"

Fair enough, I dont do household charges,water charges, universal social charges........

Glad we have an inspiational leader like him.

ted1

paky wrote: »

enda kenny doesnt 'do' vincent brown? wtf, hes a total coward. hes afraid vincent brown might ask some questions which havent been choreographed as they are on rte. hes a joke of a man

VB has being nothing but Rude to Enda for his whole political like. He does not like the mand and wants nothign to do with him. end of. he has made this quite clear, so no he is not afraid of him, just thinks he is a toe rag.

Fenian Army

ted1 wrote: »

VB has being nothing but Rude to Enda for his whole political like. He does not like the mand and wants nothign to do with him. end of. he has made this quite clear, so no he is not afraid of him, just thinks he is a toe rag.

He needs to get over it in all honesty.

Kinski

K-9 wrote: »

Indeed, Martin is very good in European debates so I think Adams is picking and choosing his opponents.

I don't think it's anything to do with the respective debating skills of Martin and Kenny - Adams probably sees this as an opportunity to portray himself as the unofficial leader of the "Opposition."

A Kenny/Adams debate doesn't sound like a particularly compelling (or informative!) spectacle, but Kenny's reason for not doing this is lame. I'm not a fan of Vincent Browne, but he hosts what must be the most notable non-RTE current affairs programme on television; he's a significant player in the political commentary sphere, whether the Taoiseach likes it or not. As it is, it looks to me (and plenty of others) like he's avoiding any confrontations with a notoriously prickly and difficult interviewer.

byhookorbycrook

Why should a politician have to jump to it if a TV station decides to put a debate on, without checking if the politician is agreeable?Poor attempt at a publicity stunt.

i8mancs

thecommietommy wrote: »

Has a major blow been struck to the Yes campaign and the FG/Labour govt as Kenny will not debate with Adams ?

Kenny rules out TV3 debate, says: “I do not do the Vincent Browne programme”


He prefers to do the Merkel DESTROY IRELAND AND ITS PEOPLE FOR THE SAKE OF GERMAN BANKS PROGRAMME what a C##T

K-9

Border-Rat wrote: »

If a politician did not pick and chose his opponents tomorrow, it would be a world first.

Yep, so it's worthy to comment on why a politician does that.

Fenian Army wrote: »

What is the point in having a one on one debate with Martin? Gerry said he would be wiling to do a leaders debate, if anyone is to champion the yes side in a one on one debate surely it should be Enda or Gilmore, people who have real power and influence, people who can be challenged on how they will pay for a yes vote, where the extra cuts will come etc etc

There is little point in a one and one between opposition TDs, an all party leaders debate sure.

A leaders debate would be good, assuming Higgins and Boyd Barret are considered leaders so we'd have equal numbers.

The Waltzing Consumer

K-9 wrote: »

Title edited. I've no reason to think the OP lied or made it up, just a mistake.

thecommietommy wrote: »

Has a major blow been struck to the Yes campaign and the FG/Labour govt as Kenny will not debate with Adams ?

thecommietommy wrote: »

" TAOISEACH ENDA KENNY has ruled out the possibility of a head-to-head debate with Sinn Féin leader Gerry Adams on TV3."

http://www.thejournal.ie/kenny-rules-out-tv3-debate-says-i-do-not-do-the-vincent-browne-programme-446617-May2012/

Thank you for editing the title. I do think from both of these posts by the OP, it gives the clear impression Enda Kenny would not debate Gerry Adams or/and debate Gerry Adams on TV3.

The link the OP provides clearly show his comments are not the full story.

All we know is that Enda refused a debate by VB on tv3. We know they debate in the Dail every week and there is option to debate under a different moderator in TV3 but whether this has been accepted or not has not answered and is only proposed.

The Waltzing Consumer

i8mancs wrote: »

thecommietommy wrote: »

Has a major blow been struck to the Yes campaign and the FG/Labour govt as Kenny will not debate with Adams ?

Kenny rules out TV3 debate, says: “I do not do the Vincent Browne programme”


He prefers to do the Merkel DESTROY IRELAND AND ITS PEOPLE FOR THE SAKE OF GERMAN BANKS PROGRAMME what a C##T

If we are going to pick what country's banks we owe most to, Germany ain't the biggest.

It's the UK, but sssshhh, go ahead with the anti-German nonsense, I won't tell anyone.

Wider Road

I'm sure Enda said he would do everything to get the referendum passed!

BOHtox

paky wrote: »

enda kenny doesnt 'do' vincent brown? wtf, hes a total coward. hes afraid vincent brown might ask some questions which havent been choreographed as they are on rte. hes a joke of a man

Actually Browne insinuated that Kenny should kill himself.


I'm sure he'd do it if Ursula Halligan was doing it

BOHtox

Wider Road wrote: »

I'm sure Enda said he would do everything to get the referendum passed!

citation please

fasttalkerchat

I was looking forward to that!

Maybe it can still be done on his terms.

Kinski

BOHtox wrote: »

Actually Browne insinuated that Kenny should kill himself.

No he didn't. He used a long-established metaphor to suggest Kenny should step down as FG leader for the good of the party. Now Kenny uses this laughable "offensive to the families of suicide victims" excuse to avoid Browne.

woodoo

BOHtox wrote: »

Actually Browne insinuated that Kenny should kill himself.

He was speaking metaphorically and Enda knows this. Darkened room, whiskey, revolver etc. Anyone who heard it knows it was not meant in a literal sense. Enda is just using it as an excuse to avoid tough questions from Vincent.

LONE WOLFF

I think kenny used the VB excuse before the last election and got away with it. He's probably been advised to stay away from it and keep his mouth shut and it'll all work out in the end.......

fasttalkerchat

Kinski wrote: »

No he didn't. He used a long-established metaphor to suggest Kenny should step down as FG leader for the good of the party. Now Kenny uses this laughable "offensive to the families of suicide victims" excuse to avoid Browne.

woodoo wrote: »

He was speaking metaphorically and Enda knows this. Darkened room, whiskey, revolver etc. Anyone who heard it knows it was not meant in a literal sense. Enda is just using it as an excuse to avoid tough questions from Vincent.

I'm glad to hear someone else say this. At the time I seemed to be alone in saying that it was all blown out of proportion.

Fenian Army

Its like as if VinB said "fall on his sword" and enda got uppity saying that was offensive, ridiculous, just an excuse not to get destroyed on TV

goat2

will he join any debate, we know he does not want to be on vb, that is fine and well, but i want to see a good debate,

the last debate we had was brill the run for the aras, i wonder could anything top that

wes

Lost a lot of respect for Kenny. Vincent Brown is imho excellent at what he does, and he doesn't make things easy for politicians, which is imho, how it should be,

K-9

goat2 wrote: »

will he join any debate, we know he does not want to be on vb, that is fine and well, but i want to see a good debate,

the last debate we had was brill the run for the aras, i wonder could anything top that

He'll probably go on RTE.

If you are looking for a McGuinness vs. Gallagher type moment you probably aren't going to get it. European referenda are about who gets the message across best, Ganley outstanding in Lisbon 1, Martin very good in Lisbon 2 due to experience in Europe and a usually well argued approach.

Wider Road

wes wrote: »

Lost a lot of respect for Kenny. Vincent Brown is imho excellent at what he does, and he doesn't make things easy for politicians, which is imho, how it should be,

Enda also ran away during the election campaign. He also stayed away from the Connaught football final last year due to a prior engagement, when most felt it was due to a Hospital Closure.
Enda told us that he would do all he could to get the treaty passed, yet he has renaged on his promise already!
Will Enda face Adams with Ursela Halligan in the chair?
One last question, will he attend this years Connaught final?

K-9

Wider Road wrote: »

Enda also ran away during the election campaign. He also stayed away from the Connaught football final last year due to a prior engagement, when most felt it was due to a Hospital Closure.
Enda told us that he would do all he could to get the treaty passed, yet he has renaged on his promise already!
Will Enda face Adams with Ursela Halligan in the chair?
One last question, will he attend this years Connaught final?

"Will Galway beat Mayo. Not if they have Willie Joe."

I think Kenny as with most Government leaders, wants to stay away from debates, Bertie did too but I see it in England, here going back to Garret/Haughey years, I think it might even have been an issue in France recently.

If TV3 have offered Ursula Hannigan, Kenny can't back out of this one. IMO FG don't have any stand out performers on Europe, but then Adams isn't the best on Southern matters so it balances out.

golfball37

Sierra Oscar wrote: »

Adams knew only too well that Kenny would not enter into the debate - he would not have put forward the proposal in the first instance otherwise. Why has he today refused to enter into a one on one debate with Micheál Martin?

Nothing to see here only a political stunt orchestrated by the SF press office.

ha ha ha- One born every minute as the C4 program says.

johngalway

thecommietommy wrote: »

" TAOISEACH ENDA KENNY has ruled out the possibility of a head-to-head debate with Sinn Féin leader Gerry Adams on TV3."

http://www.thejournal.ie/kenny-rules-out-tv3-debate-says-i-do-not-do-the-vincent-browne-programme-446617-May2012/

I've made it easier to read Also look at the full length of your link:

kenny-rules-out-tv3-debate-says-i-do-not-do-the-vincent-browne-programme

Fenian Army

VinB has said someone else can chair it, lets see what Enda does now