Everton's Royston Drenthe says Lionel Messi repeatedly referred to him as 'negro

Giggsy11

Royston Drenthe joined Premier League side Everton on a season long loan at the end of last August from his parent club Real Madrid. The Dutchman had been edged out at the La Liga Champions and moved to Merseyside after another loan move to Hercules.


Whilst with Real Madrid he came up against Barcelona more than once and Drenthe isn't happy with the way players from the Catalan club referred to him, singling out Lionel Messi for criticism. It's not often Messi is criticised, especially over something as serious as this, and as such it's bound to make big news.


Drenthe was speaking to NuSport, and is already quoted by AS in Spain, his criticisms show a difference in culture and appraoch to racial issues "I played a lot against Messi in recent years and we always had problems. You know what bothered me most? The way he talked, always called me 'negro, negro,'"


"I understand that it is common in South America, but I can not stand it, Mahamadou Diarra, my teammate at Real Madrid, got angry when Higuain and Heinze (Real Madrid team mates) spoke to him that way. So in the end they stopped."


The last time Drenthe came up against Messi was for Hercules and he had the same issues he'd experienced before "When the Hercules won in Barcelona I had a little incident with him. Before the match, shook my hand and said 'hello, negro' a few times. After the game he did not greet me."


Drenthe also talked about his future and said he could be moving back to Holland "I want to again do what I like and that's football, in addition, Rotterdam is my city, Feyenoord has not called me yet, but of course I would not mind. Maybe I'll call them myself."

http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/topics/everton-s-royston-drenthe-says-lionel-messi-repeatedly-referred-t?xg_source=activity

If true, will this get as much coverage as the other racism incident that we had this season? Will Messi get all the negative press like Suarez got?

MrStuffins

I don't think so!

Especialy considering how regularly the lad gets away with out and out rape!

missingtime

Term of endearment!

Turtyturd

I heard Drenthe said something about his sister.

Giggsy11

Turtyturd wrote: »

I heard Drenthe said something about his sister.

:rolleyes:

Third post and usual drill in soccer forum.

Lumbo

There's a youtube clip of Messi running rings around Drenthe. Royston never got close enough to him to hear what Messi was saying.

Also, title should be former Everton player, Moyes sent him packing before the FA Cup semi final. Jose won't be taking him back at Madrid either. The lads a talented player but has shown that he's also a clown.

meriwether

Oh goody.

A scandal involving the figurehead of the most po-faced, sanctimonous football club in the world.

kitakyushu

I think if I wanted to insult Royston Drenthe on the pitch I'd just keep calling him "Royston".

mike65

Those racist south Americans - they can't help themselves.

kitakyushu

mike65 wrote: »

Those racist south Americans - they can't help themselves.

Señor Juan Terry is the worst of them.

GavRedKing

MrStuffins wrote: »

I don't think so!

Especialy considering how regularly the lad gets away with out and out rape!

LuckyLloyd

Good luck with this story. It's like telling a kid that Santa Claus isn't real.

carbon nanotube

Giggsy11 wrote: »

http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/topics/everton-s-royston-drenthe-says-lionel-messi-repeatedly-referred-t?xg_source=activity

If true, will this get as much coverage as the other racism incident that we had this season? Will Messi get all the negative press like Suarez got?

if he wasn't such a head case it might get 10 pages in some of them Rupert Murdoch rubbish.

carbon nanotube

Lumbo wrote: »

There's a youtube clip of Messi running rings around Drenthe. Royston never got close enough to him to hear what Messi was saying.

Also, title should be former Everton player, Moyes sent him packing before the FA Cup semi final. Jose won't be taking him back at Madrid either. The lads a talented player but has shown that he's also a clown.

If one manager can not tolerate muppets it Moyes, he was given a chance and screwed up.

his own loss, he could have had a good spell at Everton too

Richard Hillman

What a nasty piece of work. It will get swept under the carpet because it is Messi though.

He doesn't play for Liverpool/Man utd

Thread won't span 1000 pages !!

CSF

If he wanted to make a complaint, should have done so at the time. Smells of bull.

stovelid

Lionel is not bound by the normal rules that govern mortals.

Did I mention that he once completed 2578 passes in a game and his free kicks regularly achieve a velocity exceeding 120 miles per hour?

pickarooney

Next up: out of contract Paul McShane accuses Maradona of calling him ginger.

CR 7

Typical of the kinda stuff about him that just gets swept under the carpet. If another player in spain had these kinds of accusations made about him the forum would explode with the indignation.

DoctorGonzo08

CR 7 wrote: »

Typical of the kinda stuff about him that just gets swept under the carpet. If another player in spain had these kinds of accusations made about him the forum would explode with the indignation.

What about Biscuits calling Marcelo a monkey? Racism isn't a big issue in La Liga obviously.

The Volt

As has been stated above, I'd take this with a pinch of salt. Drenthe has bags of ability but he's quite petulant.

Mr. Presentable

Correct me if I am wrong, but Drenthe is a negro, no? Is it that he is ashamed to be, that it offends him?

Naturally, if it is true, it boils down to intent. But I wouldn't be offended to be called caucasian.

DoctorGonzo08

Mr. Presentable wrote: »

Correct me if I am wrong, but Drenthe is a negro, no? Is it that he is ashamed to be, that it offends him?

Naturally, if it is true, it boils down to intent. But I wouldn't be offended to be called caucasian.

I think it is more a case of like with like punishment. This would be the same case as Suarez was cited in this season, for which he was handed a ban and a fine. If I was a Liverpool fan, and this is proven to have happened, and nothing is done about it, I would feel more than a little pi$$ed off.

telekon

Is this the same Royston Drenthe that chooses to play his football at Goodison Park? :rolleyes:

Jesus Shaves

telekon wrote: »

Is this the same Royston Drenthe that chooses to play his football at Goodison Park? :rolleyes:

Any chance of keeping the thread in this century?

telekon

darokane wrote: »

Any chance of keeping the thread in this century?

It was only 20 years ago. The same people still go to Goodison. Totally relevant.

Will I Amnt

telekon wrote: »

It was only 20 years ago. The same people still go to Goodison. Totally relevant.

Yea it's a real shame he didn't take into account that Everton are not a racist free fanbase :rolleyes:
What a ridiculous statement to make.

telekon

cambo2008 wrote: »

Yea it's a real shame he didn't take into account that Everton are not a racist free fanbase :rolleyes:
What a ridiculous statement to make.

Jesus, relax will ya. An easy opportunity arose to make a dig at Everton and I took it.

Will I Amnt

rarnes1 wrote: »

He doesn't play for Liverpool/Man utd

Thread won't span 1000 pages !!

Round up a gang and blindly defend Messi,get some tshirts made and do a character assassination on Drenthe.
Make a few statements about imaginary previous incidents involving Drenthe too.

Pm me when you're done and I'll give you a good arguing

Oh yea and as the title says "repeatedly" I presume you will be making a big deal of that word and will be solely concentrating on it and expecting video evidence on the exact number of times.
It will obviously prove Drenthe a liar if he doesn't have evidence for each time

MrStuffins

Mr. Presentable wrote: »

Correct me if I am wrong, but Drenthe is a negro, no? Is it that he is ashamed to be, that it offends him?

Naturally, if it is true, it boils down to intent. But I wouldn't be offended to be called caucasian.

Firstly, he did not call him "a negro", he called him "negro", the Spanish word for black.

It is, as you say, about intent. And if I was in a bar, house, shop, football game... and there was some guy calling a black guy "black" in place of his name, I can't see how that would have anything other than bad intentions.

pickarooney

pickarooney wrote: »

Next up: out of contract Paul McShane accuses Maradona of calling him a footballer .

Fyp

Polar101

"Someone called me names a few years ago". Reminds me why I don't want to waste time reading about football players, they hardly ever have anything interesting to say.

Lumbo

darokane wrote: »

Any chance of keeping the thread in this century?

Leave him alone will ya.


















It's just another Liverpool fan living in the past :pac:

redzerdrog

suprised by the lack of faux outrage in this thread compared to previous

or maybe not that suprising

Will I Amnt

redzerdrog wrote: »

suprised by the lack of faux outrage in this thread compared to previous

or maybe not that suprising

Such a predictable post.Not just yours but the others wondering why there's not as much interest.
It's not surprising at all because there isn't hundreds-thousands of Everton,Barcelona and Real Madrid fans on here.
Do you not see a difference??
What is it you don't get??

If it was said in a derogatory way or if he knew Drenthe was uncomfortable with it then he should be punished.
Using race to wind someone up should be out of the question no matter what level,league or country you are in.

CR 7

Nobody wants to have to deal with the barca fanboys and the associated drama either.

Davaeo09

CR 7 wrote: »

Nobody wants to have to deal with the barca fanboys and the associated drama either.

Says the Madrid fan named CR7.. Rich.

Derenthe is an absolute muppet, nothing will come of this not because it's Messi but most people understand what a petulant little **** Drenthe is. That sir is a fact.

Drenthe still has nightmares about his 1v1 miss against Valdez, that is what this is really about :P

kitakyushu

cambo2008 wrote: »

Such a predictable post.Not just yours but the others wondering why there's not as much interest.
It's not surprising at all because there isn't hundreds-thousands of Everton,Barcelona and Real Madrid fans on here.
Do you not see a difference??
What is it you don't get??

I think he's making the point that the many of the people who condemn/deny racism in other threads are actually more concerned with point-scoring for their clubs than in the actual social issue of racism. It'd be unfortunate if that were the case.

Jesus Shaves

MrStuffins wrote: »

Firstly, he did not call him "a negro", he called him "negro", the Spanish word for black.

It is, as you say, about intent. And if I was in a bar, house, shop, football game... and there was some guy calling a black guy "black" in place of his name, I can't see how that would have anything other than bad intentions.

Would that be akin to a black man calling a white man "white"?

Will I Amnt

kitakyushu wrote: »

I think he's making the point that the many of the people who condemn/deny racism in other threads are actually more concerned with point-scoring for their clubs than in the actual social issue of racism. It'd be unfortunate if that were the case.

I understand that and it's why I said not just his post.
The fact he said faux-outrage suggests he thinks it was all point-scoring.

I posted a lot in that thread as it concerned a player from the team I support and their biggest rival in terms of fans.
My feelings on the issue of racism would be the same no matter what players are involved but my interest in this is understandably significantly less.

Davaeo09

Call me daft but isn't it the very nature of a fan to have biased feelings towards their own club and rivals? I mean if we are to discuss the social problems we may as well be clear about our stance to begin with?

It's like this (for me a Barcelona fan)
Messi may very well have said some thing hurtful to poor Royston. If he is found guilty, I will condemn him just as any person with any sort of moral footing would do. How ever, given the claims them self, and the "victim" in this case. I find that it's probably going to be nothing more that a crock of BS from a player who doesn't understand his profession. Playing football, not the clowning around you'd come to expect from Drenthe and other players.

That I think is the general sentiment here I imagine and would also be the reason there's not 1,000,000 pages here already.

kitakyushu

kitakyushu wrote: »

cambo2008 wrote: »

Such a predictable post.Not just yours but the others wondering why there's not as much interest.
It's not surprising at all because there isn't hundreds-thousands of Everton,Barcelona and Real Madrid fans on here.
Do you not see a difference??
What is it you don't get??

I think he's making the point that the many of the people who condemn/deny racism in other threads are actually more concerned with point-scoring for their clubs than in the actual social issue of racism. It'd be unfortunate if that were the case.

Nail on the head.

frisbeeface

I found this part mildly interesting:

"I understand that it is very common in South America, but we cannot stand it. Mahamadou Diarra, my teammate at Real, would become furious when Gabriel Heinze and Gonzalo Higuain initially called him 'negro'. But they soon stopped.

If the label is really that common in South America, I wonder if we'll be seeing more racism cases in the next few years?

MrStuffins

darokane wrote: »

Would that be akin to a black man calling a white man "white"?

As the poster said, it's about intent.

Liam O

frisbeeface wrote: »

I found this part mildly interesting:



If the label is really that common in South America, I wonder if we'll be seeing more racism cases in the next few years?

ah but Messi has been living in Spain for about 14 or 15 years and should know this by now and not use it. There should be no need to differentiate people based on their skin colour. If as the claim goes it's a term of endearment then how come it only seems to be the black players who get referred to as it?

Oranage2

We should ban all Hispanics they're racist by nature.

bucketybuck

Lumbo wrote: »

There's a youtube clip of Messi running rings around Drenthe. Royston never got close enough to him to hear what Messi was saying.

Also, title should be former Everton player, Moyes sent him packing before the FA Cup semi final. Jose won't be taking him back at Madrid either. The lads a talented player but has shown that he's also a clown.

Davaeo09 wrote: »

Derenthe is an absolute muppet, nothing will come of this not because it's Messi but most people understand what a petulant little **** Drenthe is. That sir is a fact.

Drenthe still has nightmares about his 1v1 miss against Valdez, that is what this is really about :P

There you are folks, textbook blaming the victim. Apparently it doesnt matter that Drenthe was racially abused, because he is a bit of a tit. The same people will tell a rape victim that it doesn't matter that she was raped because she was a bit of a slut.

One thing has nothing to do with the other.

frisbeeface

Liam O wrote: »

ah but Messi has been living in Spain for about 14 or 15 years and should know this by now and not use it. There should be no need to differentiate people based on their skin colour. If as the claim goes it's a term of endearment then how come it only seems to be the black players who get referred to as it?

Well, I found it interesting that Diarra's own teammates called him negro. That would maybe suggest that it isn't necessarily an offensive term. Heinze had been in Europe for a good few years at that point too so you'd imagine he'd have known that it could be offensive. Maybe they just didn't like Diarra

I love Messi but I wouldn't defend him on this if he did say it. The report in the OP is a bit abridged from other reports of this story:

"We played against each other a lot, and we always had problems. You know what really bothers me? That tone with which he always called me 'negro, negro'," Drenthe stated in an interview with Dutch magazine Helden.

Makes it slightly clearer that Drenthe isn't necesarily saying that the term itself is the problem, rather the way it's used.

(took that quote from here

Will I Amnt

rarnes1 wrote: »

Nail on the head.

What stopped you from saying it like that then??

rarnes1 wrote: »

He doesn't play for Liverpool/Man utd

Thread won't span 1000 pages !!

jaykay74

Wonder did he inform the relevant authorities at the time, whenever it happened ? Not sure why its being mentioned in the same breathe as other recent high profile cases.

If you have a complaint make it. Don't just go badmouthing to the media and not backing up your claim officially.

Drenthe was speaking to NuSport.............