Lost Sheep 2012

elvis jones

It opened for enteries this morning................i entered, what have i put myself in for :p

blind_hurler

I feel the same.. nothing ventured nothing gained...

Bambaata

Entered too. Its my other big race of the year, looking forward to it!

tunney

gah - will have to ask for permission. Or is forgiveness better..........

RacoonQueen

blind_hurler wrote: »

I feel the same.. nothing ventured nothing gained...

Interesting. Didn't realise you did triathlons BH.

elvis jones

Any feedback from anyone who has done the race already.

I take it some hill training on the bike is a must:)

blind_hurler

RacoonQueen wrote: »

Interesting. Didn't realise you did triathlons BH.

I participate in the odd one here and there and I complete them the same way as I run...


slowly :P:P

elvis jones

Final 150 places go on sale in 13 min:)

Crane Fly

Just signed myself up...this year I am going to learn how to cycle before I head down

glennbhoy

In it not too win it

will be watching this loads to get my mind right

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsSC2vx7zFQ

RedB

elvis jones wrote: »

Any feedback from anyone who has done the race already.

I take it some hill training on the bike is a must:)

I've done it the last 3 years as a newbie/ back-of-packer and I'd recommend being well trained for it (I wasn't ). Lots of distance work and yes, hills too. I remember reading before that the hills weren't that bad and strongly disagreeing in my own mind but now I'd tend to agree with that. There are 2 good climbs but they are totally manageable if you've done the training. I always blew up on the run and I now know the significant level of training that is required to get around that distance and which I didn't have. Regular 100km cycles (with hills!), 15M runs and decent bricks as well as 3 solid swimming sessions p.w. You can get around it ok in 6-7 hours with less training but you'll probably be suffering on the run (or walk/shuffle in my case). Its a good setup and course and I would recommend it but you need to respect the course too and train appropriately.

elvis jones

RedB wrote: »

I've done it the last 3 years as a newbie/ back-of-packer and I'd recommend being well trained for it (I wasn't ). Lots of distance work and yes, hills too. I remember reading before that the hills weren't that bad and strongly disagreeing in my own mind but now I'd tend to agree with that. There are 2 good climbs but they are totally manageable if you've done the training. I always blew up on the run and I now know the significant level of training that is required to get around that distance and which I didn't have. Regular 100km cycles (with hills!), 15M runs and decent bricks as well as 3 solid swimming sessions p.w. You can get around it ok in 6-7 hours with less training but you'll probably be suffering on the run (or walk/shuffle in my case). Its a good setup and course and I would recommend it but you need to respect the course too and train appropriately.

Thanks for that.

Out for my longest cycle of the year so far tomororw ( 75k ) and building weekly from there. It will take me about 4 to 5 weeks to get up to full training but i agree with all you have said, thanks:)

hf4z6sqo7vjngi

Trying to tie in a weekend away/end of season race and juggling a few ideas with this being one of them. The climbs should suit me.

Bambaata

Do it ;-) DO IT!!!

hf4z6sqo7vjngi

Bambaata wrote: »

Do it ;-) DO IT!!!

Have you done it before Ed, well run and good event? Some of the overseas HIM race prices/travel costs putting me off a little. Such a tight wad:)
Missus really wants to go to Lanza but timing is probably too far out in November.

tunney

Aryanna Cuddly Pellet wrote: »

Bambaata wrote: »

Do it ;-) DO IT!!!

Have you done it before Ed, well run and good event? Some of the overseas HIM race prices/travel costs putting me off a little. Such a tight wad:)
Missus really wants to go to Lanza but timing is probably too far out in November.

Lost sheep? Great race, great venue, great town. Some bad memories of less than hospitable registration but that was years ago. I'll go back some year!

shotgunmcos

tunney wrote: »

Lost sheep? Great race, great venue, great town. Some bad memories of less than hospitable registration but that was years ago. I'll go back some year!

+1

Bambaata

Aryanna Cuddly Pellet wrote: »

Have you done it before Ed, well run and good event? Some of the overseas HIM race prices/travel costs putting me off a little. Such a tight wad:)
Missus really wants to go to Lanza but timing is probably too far out in November.

No i havent done it before but im all registered up for this year. I went for it at 90 quid rather than Galway at about 250! Ive heard loads of positive things about the race and it has been on the wishlist for a while but just never suited before

hf4z6sqo7vjngi

Well i hope there are plenty of sheep to spot!! Registered.

Bambaata

deadly!

elvis jones

Anyone want to describe the "hills" to me, looking for something similar to train on the Slieve blooms beside me have 527m of climbing to the top ?

One of the routes has about 7.5k of climbs and a few others are 3 and 4k ???

BTH

They're just long steady drags. Only the very last section of the first one has a steep pinch to it, and that part is fairly short.

elvis jones

BetterThanHoyte wrote: »

They're just long steady drags. Only the very last section of the first one has a steep pinch to it, and that part is fairly short.

Silly question, how long are the climbs ( km wise )

BTH

Not sure but maybe 7-8km each overall. Only about 200m of it will be out of the saddle, and there are flatter parts to each climb too.

jester1980

BetterThanHoyte wrote: »

Not sure but maybe 7-8km each overall. Only about 200m of it will be out of the saddle, and there are flatter parts to each climb too.

Thanks for that info, signed up last week myself for first one.

Going to have to find some bigger hills than Howth so to train on.

elvis jones

BetterThanHoyte wrote: »

Not sure but maybe 7-8km each overall. Only about 200m of it will be out of the saddle, and there are flatter parts to each climb too.

Thats great, my 7.5k climb will help so:)

KentuckyPete

It's a top-class course - some good challenges in the bike climbs but only the last 300m before the Healy has you out of the saddle. Some great technical descending off the Healy too. The Healy and the Caha climbs are listed as "Category 1" but they're fine.

The race organsiation has really shaprened up following the swim fiasco a few years ago - so much so that the Lost Sheep was voted race of the year for 2011 on the TI website. Sure, they don't mollycoddle you through registration and transition setup but then the entrants aren't exactly first-timers. The Lost Sheep is all about the course.

If you've never done the race before here's 10 tips I'd give from my experiences there:

1. Save a bit for the run. The climb over the last km up to the turnaround is tougher than the map profile seems to indicate and you've a good undulating course home from there

2. Make sure you look after the nutrition and have plenty to consume on the bike

3. There's loads of houses to rent in Kenmare. Book one with a few buddies for the weekend or get on to the organisers to see if they can connect you with a renter

4. Food/water stations are few. Gatorade/Water in Glengarrif on the bike and two water stations on the run (which counts as four stations with the out and back run course)

5. Because use of the bridge is limited they have to have transition over in an abandoned hotel outside the town. The transition space is tight so get in early to rack up

6. Make sure you stay in Kenmare on the Saturday night - there's great craic all over the town and most lads are letting off steam as the Lost Sheep is usually a last event of the season for most

7. Weather can have a big impact. On a sunny day the course seems benign enough but if it's raining and windy then depending on ability you'll work hard in the swim and you'll have a tough day on the bike. This is definitely not a TriAthy-style parkland course

8. Make sure you know what you're going to do if you puncture. Maybe you'll stop racing, maybe you'll fix / replace the tube/tyre. Just have it figured out in advance so you don't get uptight about it

9. If you can manage it, get down to Kenmare and cycle the bike route at least once during the summer. Scout the run route while you're at it. It will be a lot less daunting on the day of you do

10. Finally, at least once during the weekend, treat yourself to a slap up feed in Jam - a top-notch restaurant/deli in the middle of the town

elvis jones

Great post thanks for that !

Clum

elvis jones wrote: »

Anyone want to describe the "hills" to me, looking for something similar to train on the Slieve blooms beside me have 527m of climbing to the top ?

One of the routes has about 7.5k of climbs and a few others are 3 and 4k ???

I cycled the Slieve Blooms a couple of times training for the Lost Sheep last year and they're pretty similar climbs in both length and height. If you can manage The Cut and the Wolftrap in the Blooms you'll have no bother in Kenmare. Although there are no switchbacks in the Slieve Blooms like there are coming off the Healy Pass.

pgibbo

Great event. Be confident on switch-backs. Especially if it's wet! They scared the sh1t outta me the when I did it. I lost a load of time on them.

longshank

pgibbo wrote: »

Great event. Be confident on switch-backs. Especially if it's wet! They scared the sh1t outta me the when I did it. I lost a load of time on them.

and watch the switch backs if you have deep rim wheels....last year heading for first switch back didn't relaise there was a strong wind behind but luckily for me guy in front made the mistake first, wind caught side of wheels half way round and over the side he went...I took them fairly handy after seeing that!!!

tri cookie

logged on to Triathlon Ireland Friday evening,,glass on wine on board.. and entered the Lost sheep,I had thought it was fully subscribed.... just my good luck!! has anybody got suggestions for central accomodation..will have to head down Fri ..back Sunday as I will be totally wrecked ...in shock even.

elvis jones

I did my 1st cat 3 climb today, it lasted about 7k. I am right that cat 3 is whats on Lost Sheep ( 2 of them ) ???

tunney

elvis jones wrote: »

I did my 1st cat 3 climb today, it lasted about 7k. I am right that cat 3 is whats on Lost Sheep ( 2 of them ) ???

Unfortunately the categorisation system is bastardised in Ireland. One mans cat 2 is another mans lump.

Got a Garmin file for the climb today? Check out the length and more importantly the maximum and average gradient!

elvis jones

tunney wrote: »

Unfortunately the categorisation system is bastardised in Ireland. One mans cat 2 is another mans lump.

Got a Garmin file for the climb today? Check out the length and more importantly the maximum and average gradient!

I have my 305 charging but i used map my ride, here it is http://www.mapmyride.com/routes/view/105762873

The route i looked up for lost sheep was done on map my ride as well i might add.

elvis jones

So is the above climb of any use ?

hf4z6sqo7vjngi

Anyone planning on renting a house option over the weekend? End of season blow out for me and will be sticking around for a few beers and kebabs afterwards.

Bambaata

I'll hopefully be there the Wednesday/Thursday to the Tuesday/Wednesday and intend on renting a house alright. Anyone have any good links or contacts as any ive found seem to all want Saturday to Saturday rentals!

hf4z6sqo7vjngi

Bambaata wrote: »

I'll hopefully be there the Wednesday/Thursday to the Tuesday/Wednesday and intend on renting a house alright. Anyone have any good links or contacts as any ive found seem to all want Saturday to Saturday rentals!

Are you heading down with the better half?

elvis jones

We've a house full for the fri and sat night from our club, sat night should be good ( if i can stand )

Bambaata

Aryanna Cuddly Pellet wrote: »

Are you heading down with the better half?

yup think so.

elvis jones

tunney wrote: »

Unfortunately the categorisation system is bastardised in Ireland. One mans cat 2 is another mans lump.

Got a Garmin file for the climb today? Check out the length and more importantly the maximum and average gradient!

I did a short version with just the climb and a bit more, i hope this link works ok

http://connect.garmin.com/activity/193834853

longshank

as far as i'm concerned the most important thing to know about that route is that the section from adrigole to glengariff (between the 2 climbs) is tough.(windy, up and down) everyone knows about the 2 climbs and think they should push it in between not realising it's quite tough. The climbs aren't bad just ride tempo and they are fine but if you push too hard between the climbs you will die on the second one. i've ridden that route nearly 50 times at this stage and the fastest is always when i keep it comfortable and recover on that section, then speed up after top of Caha pass. Climbs are the easy bit if you don't blow out before you reach them!!!

elvis jones

longshank wrote: »

as far as i'm concerned the most important thing to know about that route is that the section from adrigole to glengariff (between the 2 climbs) is tough.(windy, up and down) everyone knows about the 2 climbs and think they should push it in between not realising it's quite tough. The climbs aren't bad just ride tempo and they are fine but if you push too hard between the climbs you will die on the second one. i've ridden that route nearly 50 times at this stage and the fastest is always when i keep it comfortable and recover on that section, then speed up after top of Caha pass. Climbs are the easy bit if you don't blow out before you reach them!!!

Great cheers,

I hope to ride the route on the aug bank holiday weekend.

Some detailed directions would be great:)

elvis jones

Might i ask where transition is, booking a house and want to be as close as possible

tunney

elvis jones wrote: »

Might i ask where transition is, booking a house and want to be as close as possible

Its a small town.........

elvis jones

I know that but i'm dealing with rahter anal fools who go on about a bottle cage being 5 grammes too heavy an extra 50m walk might lose them time:D

tunney

elvis jones wrote: »

I know that but i'm dealing with rahter anal fools who go on about a bottle cage being 5 grammes too heavy an extra 50m walk might lose them time:D

Actually its too small to be a town. Its a small village.

insinkerator

EDIT: Got those events totally mixed up :rolleyes:

bombidal

tt bike or road bike for this?

longshank

bombidal wrote: »

tt bike or road bike for this?

i did it on tt bike last year but if going again i'd prob go for road bike with tri bars, but would also be happy enough to do it on tt bike again, very varied terrain.