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Clinical trials, anybody taken part in one before?

  • 08-05-2012 11:34pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭


    Just on the subject of clinical trials, has anyone been involved in one before? Whether it be psychological or medical, what were your experiences and what kind of trial was it? ( testing of a new drug, social experiment etc.) Did you get paid for it, or was it on a voluntary basis? How did you hear about the trial?
    Would you do it again, or was it more a case of needing the money than anything else?

    In terms of psychology trials, you may have been involved in unknowingly or not, with the nature of the experiment only divulged at the end.

    I would be interested in doing one, but would not be too keen on the idea of being a guinea pig for a new pill or such. The only time I have ever seen them advertised was in the paper.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,456 ✭✭✭✭Mr Benevolent


    Are you prepared to risk your cock for an experimental pill that give you a 30 second erection?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,037 ✭✭✭Nothingbetter2d


    Just on the subject of clinical trials, has anyone been involved in one before? Whether it be psychological or medical, what were your experiences and what kind of trial was it? ( testing of a new drug, social experiment etc.) Did you get paid for it, or was it on a voluntary basis? How did you hear about the trial?
    Would you do it again, or was it more a case of needing the money than anything else?

    In terms of psychology trials, you may have been involved in unknowingly or not, with the nature of the experiment only divulged at the end.

    I would be interested in doing one, but would not be too keen on the idea of being a guinea pig for a new pill or such. The only time I have ever seen them advertised was in the paper.

    rcsi were advertising €400 to do a malaria vaccine trial recently if thats the one your referring to.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭jill_valentine


    A friend of mine does them fairly regularly in the US, and I know a girl in the North who does them, but they don't seem to be something that happens here all that often. The Malaria one is the only one I can recall hearing about.

    It's easy money if you're willing to take a bit of a risk, which I would be to be honest. Comics have promised me superpowers, dammit.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    rcsi were advertising €400 to do a malaria vaccine trial recently if thats the one your referring to.

    Could well have been, was in the metro, about two months ago. Was considering it. It does seem to be more of a common occurence in the U.S alright Jill, but we surely carry out some trials that need test subjects!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,647 ✭✭✭✭El Weirdo


    I'd put money on a sizeable chunk of posters on here being part of some medical experiment or another, tbh.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,001 ✭✭✭✭opinion guy


    I'm pretty sure my local chipper runs some sort of medical experiments from time to time.....:P


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 830 ✭✭✭Born to Die


    The early viagra testing. I stood up to it well.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 606 ✭✭✭Jammy Donut


    I done a Viagra trial before,

    After a while it got really hard!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,165 ✭✭✭Savage Tyrant


    You ever read the list of side effects on the information sheets in prescribed drugs?.... And those are the ones that get passed after these kind of trials.

    I'm alright with my cock and bôllocks where they are... Don't really wanna deal with regrowing them from the palm of my hand or some other kinda freaky shìt.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭jill_valentine


    My friend in the US, for instance, does cold studies for the University of Virginia. She's basically "given" a cold, given bed and board in a hotel, and observed for about four days.

    Only 75% of the volunteers actually develop symptoms, and whether they do or not, they get 600 bucks a pop. Sounds like handy work if you can get it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,178 ✭✭✭✭NothingMan


    There's tonnes here in Oz. I went for one about a month back because work wanted to cut my hours. This was 4 weekends in hospital and 6 outpatient visits and $3700 for your troubles. Read all about the trial, was a drug combining an existing blood pressure drud and cholestrol drug. All seemed safe and I was happy to do it. Went in for a screening and they had filled the trial that morning but I'd missed the call to say I was cancelled.

    Another guy in the hostel recently finished one and said it was easy money. Think his was for a prostate drug.

    As long as you know what you're getting into, I'd say go for it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭_AVALANCHE_


    Their was a big f-up in one a few years back where a few of the Volunteers died and a good few of the survivors were left disabled for life, think it was in France but can't find it.

    The Australian one above would be a "safe" one where the drug company is just looking to get the big money making cholesterol drug back on the market with a new patent by just adding something.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭ziggy23


    Their was a big f-up in one a few years back where a few of the Volunteers died and a good few of the survivors were left disabled for life, think it was in France but can't find it.

    Was it the TGN1412 one? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TGN1412#Clinical_trials
    Don't think I'd ever have the balls to do one in case something did go wrong.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,620 ✭✭✭_AVALANCHE_


    ziggy23 wrote: »
    Was it the TGN1412 one? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TGN1412#Clinical_trials
    Don't think I'd ever have the balls to do one in case something did go wrong.
    Ah that's it, details look right, I'm wrong with the dying part, I'd say these guys will wish they had in a few years though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭ziggy23


    Ah that's it, details look right, I'm wrong with the dying part, I'd say these guys will wish they had in a few years though.

    Yea I believe one fella's head swelled up like the Elephant Man's and another had to have fingers and toes amputated. Also their risk of contracting diseases due to impaired immune systems has gone up. This includes Cancer and MS for which the drug was being trialed for:eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 131 ✭✭eyesquirm


    I do experiments at home on a regular basis where I drink as much alcohol as I can in one evening without throwing up, and my wife does her bit by staying up all night monitoring my vital signs.


    Don't know if this counts, though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,861 ✭✭✭IrishEyes19


    Could never be brave enough to risk it tbh. Too risky.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,199 ✭✭✭CardBordWindow


    I remember one or two lads in college went for some clinical trials in the Shandon Clinic in Cork. I think one of the lads got around 600 quid for one trial.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 10,446 Mod ✭✭✭✭xzanti


    "Pleasing taste, some monsterism"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,857 ✭✭✭shootermacg


    Only a complete idiot would do this for a few hundred euro, so pretty much all university students are good to go! Enda Kenny must have also done his fair share.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,001 ✭✭✭✭opinion guy


    I knew a guy who did one in Germany once - he had to live in a complex for 3 weeks and wasn't allowed leave. You got your daily pill (either a drug or placebo but you don't know which) and they measure your blood pressue etc few times a day. He got 3500EUR for his troubles


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,295 ✭✭✭✭Duggy747


    I'd be worried that I'd take something, get knocked out and wake a few days later with USB ports implanted in the back of my head.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,419 ✭✭✭✭jokettle


    I work in research and we get volunteers all the time for our projects. It only involves an MRI scan (completely harmless, it's just a big magnet really) and occasionally a blood draw or saliva sample if there's a genetic component to the research. The less risk there is, the less they pay; I don't know of anyone in my department who pays volunteers more than €50. Since we mostly recruit students that's still a fair amount of money for 1-2 hours of your time.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 10,446 Mod ✭✭✭✭xzanti


    I'd probably do it if I was badly stuck for money.. but I'd never tell anyone I did it :D

    Unless I needed them to call for help :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 684 ✭✭✭CL7


    If I needed money for rent/food and had no other options I'd probably do it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,178 ✭✭✭✭NothingMan


    Duggy747 wrote: »
    I'd be worried that I'd take something, get knocked out and wake a few days later with USB ports implanted in the back of my head.

    Does it support .mkv? If so, sign me up!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭jill_valentine


    NothingMan wrote: »
    Does it support .mkv? If so, sign me up!

    Yeah, that sounds brilliant to be honest.

    Is it powered, can I charge an MP3 player?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,520 ✭✭✭allibastor


    I did one a while back for some GAMMA radiation treatment. lets say it didn't go well, i cant get angry now without ripping all my clothes and only leaving me with very small shorts that never seems to rip off my balls and ass area, even though the rest of my clothes are torn clean off every time. weird huh


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,360 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    allibastor wrote: »
    I did one a while back for some GAMMA radiation treatment. lets say it didn't go well, i cant get angry now without ripping all my clothes and only leaving me with very small shorts that never seems to rip off my balls and ass area, even though the rest of my clothes are torn clean off every time. weird huh

    Nope, sounds like you're not packing much there tbh.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,536 ✭✭✭Stiffler2


    Clinical trials, anybody taken part in one before?



    I did one before 3 years ago but shortly after I was pronounced dead.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,001 ✭✭✭✭opinion guy


    allibastor wrote: »
    I did one a while back for some GAMMA radiation treatment. lets say it didn't go well, i cant get angry now without ripping all my clothes and only leaving me with very small shorts that never seems to rip off my balls and ass area, even though the rest of my clothes are torn clean off every time. weird huh

    Everyone knows steroids shrink your bits :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69 ✭✭barbs84


    im in clinical trial for a new market drug,well its already on the market but not in this quantity, its illegial to get paid for clinical trials in ireland as people would do it for the wrong reasons, the company im testing for give "gifts" such as one for all vouchers, and all expenses are paid, it was the hospital that wrote to me asking me would i consider taking part in the trials


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,455 ✭✭✭weemcd


    Been an alternate for 2 studies before, one for a children's paracetamol and one for a diabetes drug.

    Went for an initial screening and a callback for a doctors check, took heart readings, blood pressure, blood samples, urine, height, weight, lung capacity etc. You stay in a dorm style room with a living area, routines are different for whatever trial they are doing, but it would usually involve dosage(s) of a drug and several blood draws along with regular checks of your overall vital signs.

    Both times I stayed only 2/3 days and would have been compensated approx 150-300 euro. Had anyone on the trial dropped out and I became their replacment I would have been expected to stay for an extended period of time and come back for checkups for several weeks after.

    Trials go from anything from about 600e up to couple of thousand depending on the length of the trial, how many return visits you take, ammount of blood draws etc. The payment for trials themselves isn't worked out by the supposed "danger" involved, this would be un-ethical.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,986 ✭✭✭Red Hand


    Worked for a clinical trials company before and they gave us a few cases of where things went wrong when we were being trained in. Think people's face's falling off.:(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,564 ✭✭✭✭steddyeddy


    I think people who take part in clinical trials are very brave and are to be congratulated. More people are needed for clinical trials. So many people talk about drug testing on animals being warrented (I think its warrented) but people dont realise theres only so much we can learn from animals.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,324 ✭✭✭JustAThought


    steddyeddy wrote: »
    I think people who take part in clinical trials are very brave and are to be congratulated. More people are needed for clinical trials. So many people talk about drug testing on animals being warrented (I think its warrented) but people dont realise theres only so much we can learn from animals.


    You often hear of people who had miracle results from untested drugs or who fought to get prescribed a drug not available due to being untested / allowed in the country. But typically these are the rare & extreme cases of someone who has utterly nothing to loose
    . There are v scarey side effects of some very " tested" drugs; usually it's a trade off between something that will kill you ( disease) versus the pill that can nuke your insides or stop your kidneys working properly/give you blood preside or sores inside your mouth permanently or flake your skin off & give your boils . ...but at least you re alive!!!?


  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 5,620 ✭✭✭El_Dangeroso


    rcsi were advertising €400 to do a malaria vaccine trial recently if thats the one your referring to.

    Someone should tell RCSI that's very illegal. You're not allowed to pay people to participate in clinical trials, only offer expenses.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 892 ✭✭✭Motorist


    Dont do a clinical trial, the money is just not worth it.


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