Is it Necessity.....

RickCreasson

Is it Necessity.....

In order to teach self defense, one should be a martial artist?

cowzerp

Martial artist is a bs term in reality!

To answer your question-to be teaching self defense you should be trained to defend yourself and be confident that you can to a realistic degree.

If some untrained "tough guy" was teaching self defense just because he thought he could that would be wrong and anyone who trained with him would need their heads checked.

Dyr

tbh if I was focussed on self defence I would look for someone who had a lot more than just training in a martial art to recommend them.

Confidence that is not based on experience is just presumption in my book.

Peetrik

cowzerp wrote: »

To answer your question-to be teaching self defense you should be trained to defend yourself

I think this is the key. Someone like a boxer might not traditionally be thought of as a 'martial artist' but would be well able to protect themselves and others, the main factor is that they have been trained by a competent teacher.

RickCreasson

Peetrik wrote: »

I think this is the key. Someone like a boxer might not traditionally be thought of as a 'martial artist' but would be well able to protect themselves and others, the main factor is that they have been trained by a competent teacher.

What are the qualifications of a competent teacher (in defense0?

Peetrik

RickCreasson wrote: »

What are the qualifications of a competent teacher (in defense0?

Well thats where everyone will have their own opinion. Just to address your (in defense) referance, I don't differentiate between 'self defense' and 'martial arts' myself as I believe if you don't regularly and repeatedly drill a technique then you don't know it you just know of it. A SD style should also have bread and butter techniques besides the eyegouging, groinstrikes etc, in short they should also be able to compete against other styles. If they don't then that tells me a lot straight away.
So with that out of the way, what makes a good trainer roughly IMO is...

Trainer has competed
Club competes regularly
Sucess of the students

Plenty of other factors make a good or great coach but for competent thats what I'd be looking at.

All just my opinion.

yomchi

RickCreasson wrote: »

What are the qualifications of a competent teacher (in defense0?

Competency

RickCreasson

Peetrik wrote: »

Well thats where everyone will have their own opinion. Just to address your (in defense) referance, I don't differentiate between 'self defense' and 'martial arts' myself as I believe if you don't regularly and repeatedly drill a technique then you don't know it you just know of it. A SD style should also have bread and butter techniques besides the eyegouging, groinstrikes etc, in short they should also be able to compete against other styles. If they don't then that tells me a lot straight away.
So with that out of the way, what makes a good trainer roughly IMO is...

Trainer has competed
Club competes regularly
Sucess of the students

Plenty of other factors make a good or great coach but for competent thats what I'd be looking at.

All just my opinion.

Self defense isn't about bread and butter techniques or being able to "compete" against other styles

RickCreasson

yomchi wrote: »

Competency

Competency of what?

Mellor

RickCreasson wrote: »

Competency of what?

Teaching self defense and/or martial arts...


We are just going in circles here. It might be easier if you just say why you want to know.

Peetrik

Mellor wrote: »

It might be easier if you just say why you want to know.

If its got something to do with Jesus then I'm going to be very annoyed at having spent the time on stealing boardsie wisdom and passing it off as my own.

RickCreasson

Mellor wrote: »

Teaching self defense and/or martial arts...


We are just going in circles here. It might be easier if you just say why you want to know.

No circles. Simple question, that someone gave a one-worded answer which did not really address said question;


What are the qualifications of a competent teacher (in defense)?

List or discuss

Peetrik

In fairness, you're not following your own suggestin. This....

RickCreasson wrote: »

Self defense isn't about bread and butter techniques or being able to "compete" against other styles

... is simply a disagreement without any qualification or "listing or discussion". I'm with Mellor on this one, what exactly is your angle here?

RickCreasson

Peetrik wrote: »

In fairness, you're not following your own suggestin. This....



... is simply a disagreement without any qualification or "listing or discussion". I'm with Mellor on this one, what exactly is your angle here?

How about this;

List or state what you think should the qualifications of self defense be and why?

Peetrik

Yikes, now we really are going in circles.

I did. Your reply wasn't a list or a statement of why you disagree, it was simply a disagreement. Perhaps if you listed or stated why you would like to know then we could answer your question better.

RickCreasson

"Whatever":rolleyes:

Mellor

RickCreasson wrote: »

What are the qualifications of a competent teacher (in defense)?

List or discuss

You must simply know the information, in this case self defense.
And to be the kind of person that is able to convey that information to others. That's all.

Not all martial artists will be able teach effectively. And not everyone who knows self defence methods learnt them through formal martial arts (eg those in military/police/defence etc)

smacl

RickCreasson wrote: »

Is it Necessity.....

In order to teach self defense, one should be a martial artist?

Depends whether you approach to self defence is focussed on fighting, or avoiding fights, or a combination of the two. I'd go for the latter, so while fighting plays a part as a last resort, things like situational awareness, avoiding conflict and de-escalation are at least as important. The likes of the Defendu courses come to mind.

So to answer your question simply; No, one should be a competent self defence instructor. What Yomchi already said, in fact.