Bad form

pauldoo

Playing in my home course this morning, its normally quiet on bank holidays, so put my name down beside 2 guys this morning, they werent members, when i asked if they minded that i joined them, they said NO, they want to play on their own, even though i had no one else to play with. I was in shock, played with randomers many times, never come across this, had to wait around for an hour for other people to show up and got a game in the end

Hopefully they have some bad luck over the weekend

k.p.h

Was it an Open Competition..?

If there was a slot on the time sheet and you put your name in on it, you don't have to ask if you can play with them.. You would scheduled to play with them and the onus would be on them to ask you not to play with them.

If there is time sheet you don't by the letter of the law have to ask to play with anyone. That's how time sheets work.

If it was just a random meeting at the first tee I suppose they could say "No" but that's really bad form.

Once was playing with a mate of mine and a guy asked if he could come along, we were in a rush so we declined, but only after I went into the club house to see if there was someone that he could play with after us in a reasonable amount of time. We were very apologetic and the guy who asked was very understanding to be fair.

pauldoo

It wasnt an open. I asked them first and they were hesitant, so i went into the clubhouse, seen there was no one else anytime soon, went back out and said it to them, and they said no, but kindly offered to let me through on the first tee box and let me play on my own.

I suppose technically they paid there green fee and have a right for a private game, but at the expence of someone missing their game isn't nice. Theres been a lot of times, people have asked me for a game, and although i didnt want to i wouldnt decline out of manners

SnowDrifts

So it was just casual golf? If so, no offence but if they want to play on their own, that's their choice. I would never ask to join in on someone else's casual game. Whats the problem playing on your own?

If it was any sort of comp however, you are obviously perfectly entitled to put your name anywhere you want on the timesheet.

k.p.h

Yeah that's it really, if they had payed green fees they were probably wary of playing with a nutter or something and ruining their round. I actually understand where you are coming from but I can also see why they would decline.

Not sure what course it is, but they were after handing over good money to play. For all they knew you could have been a complete headcase, swearing,throwing clubs etc...

There are ways around that and other ways of looking at it but if I were you I wouldn't worry about it too much.

Their loss not getting a look at your daemon swing..

callaway92

Yeah, thee's often times I'd want to play with just 1 friend or 2 friends. (Betting with eachother, discussing important things etc).

the lawman

I kinda agree with the last couple of posts.

Another point might be they are just beginner golfers and are not aware of timesheets and comps and whatnot. I remember last year when I started out playing golf I was teeing off with a friend and some guy strolled up to the tee asking could he play. We said yeah but we were shocked and thought he was some random weirdo.

We just didn't understand the timesheet setup etc.

Bonesjones4444

It's your own fault for not having any friends.

When I go for a relaxing round with my buddies, I like to chat and catch up with them as we go round. We certainly don't want some Billy No Mates hacking his way round beside us

pauldoo

Yeah i wouldn't disagree with the above posts, like i said in my own post they're perfectly entitled to a private game. my point was i didn't like that they would be content to see me without a game. i see the point that sometimes you just want to play with your mates, when i do this i just take up the whole line on the timesheet to avoid this situation.

I couldnt play on my own really as 3/4 balls had gone out before them and i would be playing a 4-4.5 hour round on my own.

Thought i would have been safe putting my name down beside others in members time. Kind of surprised so many people dont see an issue, golfers i have talked to today where in full agreement that its bad form!

Maybe i'll just avoid playing with boardsies

SnowDrifts

pauldoo wrote: »

Yeah i wouldn't disagree with the above posts, like i said in my own post they're perfectly entitled to a private game. my point was i didn't like that they would be content to see me without a game.

But your game is of no concern to them. You could see the timesheet so you would see there was a few groups out in front of you so you either play at a later time or be content playing a slow round by yourself.

pauldoo

SnowDrifts wrote: »

pauldoo wrote: »

Yeah i wouldn't disagree with the above posts, like i said in my own post they're perfectly entitled to a private game. my point was i didn't like that they would be content to see me without a game.

But your game is of no concern to them. You could see the timesheet so you would see there was a few groups out in front of you so you either play at a later time or be content playing a slow round by yourself.

I think if you put your name beside people in members time,its not unreasonable to think you will get a game. Happens in clubs all over the country. Done it many times,had people put there name beside mine,never came a cross it before.

mr.mickels

if its timesheet you should have played with them, thats one of the point of timesheets. The social and pleasant aspect of golf has eroded badly over the last decade. It was bad form they didn't agree to play with you, and anyone who doesn't understand has no respect for their fellow golfers.

Senna

I have to admit a few times standing on the first tee and seeing someone start walking from the putting green and thinking "please god dont ask to join us".
Not all the time and only if i'm out with mates for a casual game.
Dont think i would ever refuse a game to anyone though, but i understand why someone would.

moycullen14

That's the thing. You might not like it but you'd never refuse a request for someone to join you in a round. I think it's incredibly bad form. We have all been in a situation where we roll up for a round (our usual crew are missing, the wife has said 'You know, you deserve a round of golf') and accepted behavior is that people accommodate you. Were the other two going to roger each other senseless around the golf course? Tossers, the pair of 'em. You're better off without them.

Tones69

moycullen14 wrote: »

That's the thing. You might not like it but you'd never refuse a request for someone to join you in a round. I think it's incredibly bad form. We have all been in a situation where we roll up for a round (our usual crew are missing, the wife has said 'You know, you deserve a round of golf') and accepted behavior is that people accommodate you. Were the other two going to roger each other senseless around the golf course? Tossers, the pair of 'em. You're better off without them.

Sorry but if they paid green fees and wanted to have a game among themselves then arent they entitled to it?!?! Maybe they were gonna have a bit of a matchplay or whatever, dont see how theyre tossers for being straight up honest about it

moycullen14

Tones69 wrote: »

Sorry but if they paid green fees and wanted to have a game among themselves then arent they entitled to it?!?! Maybe they were gonna have a bit of a matchplay or whatever, dont see how theyre tossers for being straight up honest about it

Because you do unto others what you would have them do onto you. Of course they are entitled to do what they like (there's that word again, symptomatic of a lot that's wrong with this country), my point is that golf etiquette demands that you think of others a bit and not be so selfish. Aside from that, it is mortifyingly embarrassing for the lad told to eff off.

"A true gentleman is one who is never unintentionally rude." - Oscar Wilde

Borisss

Seems like they had a lucky escape.

If you are this moany and whingy because two mates didn't want you tagging along on their casual round, I can only imagine how tedious your mood might get when you slice your opening two tee shots OOB.

It wasn't in a competition so they were well within their rights to refuse,and were even kind enough to let a lone golfer play through, which is also, might I add, a generous offer on their part.

Tones69

moycullen14 wrote: »

Because you do unto others what you would have them do onto you. Of course they are entitled to do what they like (there's that word again, symptomatic of a lot that's wrong with this country), my point is that golf etiquette demands that you think of others a bit and not be so selfish. Aside from that, it is mortifyingly embarrassing for the lad told to eff off.

"A true gentleman is one who is never unintentionally rude." - Oscar Wilde

Im sorry but expecting everyone else to just think the way you do is small minded imo. They could have been in a hurry, or maybe they felt they were **** and were just out to try a few diff things, they might have just been doing 9 holes, or every second hole, match play or whatever like. I dont see the big deal at all

slave1

As long as they were not rude I'd have no problem with this, like a lot of the other posters I enjoy the casual game with mates and the slagging etc, who knows what a stranger could be like that could turn the round into less that what you were expecting.

stringy

I practice/have casual games on my own all the time, I prefer it, bit of peace and quiet, the fresh air, clear the head, relax, focus on different parts of your game. So if someone asked me if they could join me, I'd have no problem telling them no, I'd prefer to play on my own. And I don't think it's bad form.

I don't understand how the OP was stuck if it wasn't a competition, how come he couldn't play on his own? And play ahead of the guys who wanted their own game. They were perfectly entitled to say no, they'd prefer to stick to themselves, and no it's not bad form/etiquette either.

soundsham

I would expect the person in the shop to control this really

If i turned up solo or with someone and had to play with somebody else or another pair i think my only choice would be to play as requested by the guy running the shop,or not to golf

if the sheet is quiet you may get a choice but if it was busy and the club want to get as many green fees as possible and you were told you were to play in 4 balls with x,y & z i think you are obliged to

if you golf in abroad and you book a 2 ball or 3 ball there is a great chance youd have someone else with you when you turn up to play

you pay for a green fee not a time slot
if you want the slot i think you should be happy to pay for 4 green fees

I think as a golfers who can often turn up for a game on the spur of a moment,I/we generally are happy to fall in with somebody else on their own or with another pair, what happened to the op is more unusual than usual,those 2 guys could have played matchplay or whatever they liked and it wouldnt matter to me once i got my game in,or equally I wouldnt give a toss playing on my own.

irish bloke

I would ofter head up for 9 holes during the week and would often be on my own.

Many times I have run into 2 & 3 balls and never would I ask to join in with them.

I wouldn't like to put them in the situation of having to refuse me as many have said here already they could be having a private game and I have no right to intrude on this.

I think as a lone player to ask someone can you join in with them is cheeky really and you should only have the option to join them if you are invited.

mr.mickels

some of you reading this thread appear to be missing the point that the OP was down on the timesheet to play with them. In this situation they should have played with him, they had no cause or good reason to refuse. As for the private game nonsense, if they are playing on a public facility using a timesheet they can expect to be playing with someone else. I played plenty golf in UK and you are playing with strangers all the time on the timesheets, and it is never an issue, just part of the etiquette of the game that you come into contact with other players, often players you haven't met before and you show them respect. Its an embarrassment that element seems to have eroded in golf in Ireland in the last decade.

FixdePitchmark

Due to work etc , I'm often in a position were I play on my own. I like it, clear the head etc. On other occcasions, I'm with close friends playing who I don't see too often and we are catching up on the course. There are plenty of reasons when it does not suit for somebody to join you. But, to be honest I would not say no. I never have. From playing on my own a bit , I notice that a good few golfer don't like single golfers on the course at all. They think you are a weirdo or antisocial, also they don't like that you are too fast. I never go up anybodys arse and feel as a single player that I should slow down to the general pace of play or skip a hole if a four ball is ahead.

I know it is a bit off topic, but the time it takes to play 18 holes is way too long and this does not suit some. So playing in a 3 ball or 4 ball does not suit all.

FixdePitchmark

mr.mickels wrote: »

some of you reading this thread appear to be missing the point that the OP was down on the timesheet to play with them. In this situation they should have played with him, they had no cause or good reason to refuse. As for the private game nonsense, if they are playing on a public facility using a timesheet they can expect to be playing with someone else. I played plenty golf in UK and you are playing with strangers all the time on the timesheets, and it is never an issue, just part of the etiquette of the game that you come into contact with other players, often players you haven't met before and you show them respect. Its an embarrassment that element seems to have eroded in golf in Ireland in the last decade.

I guess it is a reflection of the changes that have gone on in society.

pauldoo

Borisss wrote: »

Seems like they had a lucky escape.

If you are this moany and whingy because two mates didn't want you tagging along on their casual round, I can only imagine how tedious your mood might get when you slice your opening two tee shots OOB.

It wasn't in a competition so they were well within their rights to refuse,and were even kind enough to let a lone golfer play through, which is also, might I add, a generous offer on their part.

I dont think i was moany ot whingy, im stating my disbelief that i was refused a game when i had my name beside them during members time and they refused. and yeah very generous when i was down to play 18 with them:eek:

I think some of the replies are missing the point and need to read my posts.

Of course people are entitled to a private game. but if they leave a space on the timesheet during members time its not unheard of for a person to join them on the timesheet.

Also, i dont mind playing on my own, have done so many times, can be very relaxing and good to practice. But i put my name down with a group to play 18, i couldnt play 18 on my own behind groups that have gone earlier, 4-4.5 hours on my own is a long time for a round of golf

FixdePitchmark

pauldoo wrote: »

I dont think i was moany ot whingy, im stating my disbelief that i was refused a game when i had my name beside them during members time and they refused. and yeah very generous when i was down to play 18 with them:eek:

I think some of the replies are missing the point and need to read my posts.

Of course people are entitled to a private game. but if they leave a space on the timesheet during members time its not unheard of for a person to join them on the timesheet.

Also, i dont mind playing on my own, have done so many times, can be very relaxing and good to practice. But i put my name down with a group to play 18, i couldnt play 18 on my own behind groups that have gone earlier, 4-4.5 hours on my own is a long time for a round of golf

I see what you are saying, but they were not members ? , it is no their fault the club is sending out green fee paying visitors during members time. This places the vistors in an awful set up. So it is the club at fault. At the same time I would have said grand.

Raisins

I think if they were nice about it then the OP wouldn't have made an issue of it. There are an innumerable number of reasons why they may have wanted to play alone.

As one example imagine if two siblings wanted to discuss a close family relative that was very sick. They want to clear their heads, get out of the house and talk it out on the course for a few hours. You shouldn't expect that they lose that right because someone else doesn't want to play alone and yet wants to play at that exact time. Yet they are not going to tell you that one the first tee, particularly if all parties concerned are members.

I would say yes to that request 99% of the time unless I really didn't want to and in that situation I'd try to handle it well.

It's poor form to dismiss someone out of hand but I don't subscribe to the view that etiquette demands you must accept that request in every situation.

irish bloke

pauldoo wrote: »

I dont think i was moany ot whingy, im stating my disbelief that i was refused a game when i had my name beside them during members time and they refused. and yeah very generous when i was down to play 18 with them:eek:

I think some of the replies are missing the point and need to read my posts.

Of course people are entitled to a private game. but if they leave a space on the timesheet during members time its not unheard of for a person to join them on the timesheet.

Also, i dont mind playing on my own, have done so many times, can be very relaxing and good to practice. But i put my name down with a group to play 18, i couldnt play 18 on my own behind groups that have gone earlier, 4-4.5 hours on my own is a long time for a round of golf

Paul, I dont think people are missing the point and are actually reading your posts.

There was no open on that day and by your own account the course was empty.

If I wanted to go up and have a game of golf with my father, catch up with him for instance, then I would prefer to just play with him.

Teamsheet or no teamsheet, I dont think you have the right to just expect to play with whoever you choose. Competitions or a packed course are a different matter, but not in this instance

mr.mickels

Raisins wrote: »

I think if they were nice about it then the OP wouldn't have made an issue of it. There are an innumerable number of reasons why they may have wanted to play alone.

As one example imagine if two siblings wanted to discuss a close family relative that was very sick. They want to clear their heads, get out of the house and talk it out on the course for a few hours. You shouldn't expect that they lose that right because someone else doesn't want to play alone and yet wants to play at that exact time. Yet they are not going to tell you that one the first tee, particularly if all parties concerned are members.

I would say yes to that request 99% of the time unless I really didn't want to and in that situation I'd try to handle it well.

It's poor form to dismiss someone out of hand but I don't subscribe to the view that etiquette demands you must accept that request in every situation.

If you played golf in England they would consider anyone who holds your views on etiquette an ignoramous and an undesirable in their club. If you are down on a timesheet there is never any excuse not to play with him.

FixdePitchmark

mr.mickels wrote: »

If you played golf in England they would consider anyone who holds your views on etiquette an ignoramous and an undesirable in their club. If you are down on a timesheet there is never any excuse not to play with him.

It is great we live in Ireland then. Anybody who thinks you are an ignoramous for that is a bit of an anus for even using the word. You are in Ireland. If somebody wants to play on their own or with a friend, leave them off. Each to their own as we say here. In Ireland.

mr.mickels

Ignorant behaviour on the golf course appears to be celebrated in Ireland of late in some circles, perhaps a side-effect of the so-called boom or all living on borrowed money, so you should be pleased if that appeals to you. In the UK they have a much higher regard for respecting your fellow golfers, and honouring a slot on the timesheet is something they would take for granted. Stateside is similar in this regards from my experience.
And in reference to the name, I have seen more unfixed pitch marks on greens of various courses in Ireland that is rarely seen abroad, likewise with unraked bunkers from lazy ignorant types, golfers playing slow when there are groups behind etc, no country plays a round as slow as here. Each to their own, doesn't make it something to be proud of though.

Kid Charlemagne

mr.mickels wrote: »

Ignorant behaviour on the golf course appears to be celebrated in Ireland of late in some circles, perhaps a side-effect of the so-called boom or all living on borrowed money, so you should be pleased if that appeals to you. In the UK they have a much higher regard for respecting your fellow golfers, and honouring a slot on the timesheet is something they would take for granted. Stateside is similar in this regards from my experience.
And in reference to the name, I have seen more unfixed pitch marks on greens of various courses in Ireland that is rarely seen abroad, likewise with unraked bunkers from lazy ignorant types, golfers playing slow when there are groups behind etc, no country plays a round as slow as here. Each to their own, doesn't make it something to be proud of though.

Well said.
Im pretty annoyed to see so many people hold the opinion that it is ok to not allow someone play alongside you. Personally I would never do that. It is pig ignorance of the most offensive order. People with that kind of attitude should either amend it or find a new pastime.

Are basic good manners no longer to be expected??? Lads talkin about what their entitled to!!!

moycullen14

Kid Charlemagne wrote: »

Well said.
Im pretty annoyed to see so many people hold the opinion that it is ok to not allow someone play alongside you. Personally I would never do that. It is pig ignorance of the most offensive order. People with that kind of attitude should either amend it or find a new pastime.

Are basic good manners no longer to be expected??? Lads talkin about what their entitled to!!!

+1

It's part of the deal. Certainly as a member of a club I would be horrified if someone refused to play with me.

FixdePitchmark

mr.mickels wrote: »

Ignorant behaviour on the golf course appears to be celebrated in Ireland of late in some circles, perhaps a side-effect of the so-called boom or all living on borrowed money, so you should be pleased if that appeals to you. In the UK they have a much higher regard for respecting your fellow golfers, and honouring a slot on the timesheet is something they would take for granted. Stateside is similar in this regards from my experience.
And in reference to the name, I have seen more unfixed pitch marks on greens of various courses in Ireland that is rarely seen abroad, likewise with unraked bunkers from lazy ignorant types, golfers playing slow when there are groups behind etc, no country plays a round as slow as here. Each to their own, doesn't make it something to be proud of though.

If we are going to make sweeping assumptions about two lads who wanted to play a game on their own, I'll go along.

I think if you look a bit deeper into it, you may find that some of the guys that went around with the perfect golf etiquette, were tax exiles, pumped up parish politicians, builders, who are now in NAMA.

I don't think these two lads are the personification of the "so-called boom of all living on borrowed money". Sure, they were paying green fees on a Bank Holiday, It would appear the opposite was the case. Unless they were two out of work top bankers getting a free outing from an old friend.

But look, we can't go along saying we should do it like England. We have our own culture and way of doing things. In the example above, you just say, sorry we need to have a chat, do you mind if we let you through. As it sounds, that is what happened. In the bar later you buy him a pint and have the best night ever. We can't impose rules that were part of a Victorian concept on Irish culture.

A free way of thinking gives a nation of innovative self starters. It provides freedom of expression. Great music and art, people who are great fun. peolpe who are sound and don't consider somebody ignorant because they are not members or " undesirables". ( I love that one, what a word to use about somebody).

We just need to think of a freindly way to show the "undesirables" how to look after the golf course. I, an "undesirable", will play and do my own thing if that is the carry on in golf clubs.

Meanwhile, people from all over the world come to play golf and meet the "undesirables". ----Jaysus , good song in that word.......... I'm going for a game and a pint and who knows were it will end up when there are no archaic rules and blazers.

GreeBo

Borisss wrote: »

were even kind enough to let a lone golfer play through, which is also, might I add, a generous offer on their part.

They were obliged to let the OP through, though it would appear that course etiquette was not high on their agenda.

If there is a timesheet then the timesheet decides who plays together, caddiemaster is at fault for letting these two play on their own.

soundsham

+1

Russman

GreeBo wrote: »

If there is a timesheet then the timesheet decides who plays together,

Exactly.
Whilst they may or may not have had valid reasons for wanting to play on their own, if a timesheet is in operation then thats what you have to go by. Sometimes you just have to suck it up if you don't like something.

Fair enough, the course was empty in this case, and had there been a 4th name on the sheet, then making two twoballs probably isn't as bad, but its very bad form to leave a guy on his own who thought he'd be playing in a group. Golf is indeed in a sad state in this country if players are actively asking not to play with others.

foxyboxer

Well they could have been a bit more diplomatic about it instead of a simple "No". They could have said something along the lines of "We haven't played for ages and we'd like to catch up if that's ok".

Anyway, It's always good to play with someone new, it makes me play better.

GreeBo

foxyboxer wrote: »

Well they could have been a bit more diplomatic about it instead of a simple "No".

The thing is that no they couldnt say this, since its not "free golf", there was a timesheet. If you are just playing casual, turn up and play golf then you should be able to refuse a joiner, but politely and with a good reason, in timesheet mode you dont have a choice.

Webbs

GreeBo wrote: »

The thing is that no they couldnt say this, since its not "free golf", there was a timesheet. If you are just playing casual, turn up and play golf then you should be able to refuse a joiner, but politely and with a good reason, in timesheet mode you dont have a choice.

But I have in the past phoned clubs to ask if the following day at an approximate time was quiet as was playing a casual round and been told by the person at the club that yes was quiet and shall I put you down for x time, I have automatically said said yes never thinking this one off would happen.
I would have been playing with the auld fella who I dont see often and would have wanted a social round with just the 2 of us to chat away. So I would have politely told the other person the situation.
If I was in the OPs situation I would have not even thought twice about it. Maybe some people are more sensitive than others

GreeBo

Webbs wrote: »

But I have in the past phoned clubs to ask if the following day at an approximate time was quiet as was playing a casual round and been told by the person at the club that yes was quiet and shall I put you down for x time, I have automatically said said yes never thinking this one off would happen.
I would have been playing with the auld fella who I dont see often and would have wanted a social round with just the 2 of us to chat away. So I would have politely told the other person the situation.
If I was in the OPs situation I would have not even thought twice about it. Maybe some people are more sensitive than others

Then the whole line should be booked so this doesnt happen.
Its not being sensitive to be pissed off having to wait around for an hour in the cold to play even though you were on the timesheet!

Kid Charlemagne

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

I'm going for a game and a pint and who knows were it will end up when there are no archaic rules and blazers.

There was no blazer or archaic rule here. Whats your deal trying to make out there was??? This isnt some big class war issue that you seem to think it is. You arent some renegade working class hero just cos you are too cagey to cough up an annual sub.

Its a simple case of having some manners and friendliness about yourself on a golf course.

myleftcheek

Sounds like bad form alright but having only joined a club last year i used to dread anyone asking to join up on the first tee(or any tee) when i knew i was going to send my next ball into the tree's.Now though i wouldn't mind at all -there comes a time when we all get stuck for a partner to play a game!!

FixdePitchmark

Kid Charlemagne wrote: »

There was no blazer or archaic rule here. Whats your deal trying to make out there was??? This isnt some big class war issue that you seem to think it is. You arent some renegade working class hero just cos you are too cagey to cough up an annual sub.

Its a simple case of having some manners and friendliness about yourself on a golf course.

I think you may find there is a bit of a class war going on if you open your eyes. And I can be anything I want and thanks for calling me cagey. We could have done with plenty of cageyness around here, not people going on as if somebody wanting to play a game of golf on their own is the end of the world. Great song that by Lennon too.

Kid Charlemagne

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

I think you may find there is a bit of a class war going on if you open your eyes. And I can be anything I want and thanks for calling me cagey. We could have done with plenty of cageyness around here, not people going on as if somebody wanting to play a game of golf on their own is the end of the world. Great song that by Lennon too.

There may well be a class war - however - that is of no relevance to this subject, despite you trying to make it so. Honestly dont get where your comin from, you seem to have a real chip on your shoulder about something.

As regards the whole cagey thing - you are always sniping from the sidelines about golf club members as they are some sort of elitist bunch of toffs looking down on the "poor hardworking lower orders". Speaking as a regular guy who happens to be a member of a golf club purely because i enjoy the game, your snidey little comments are pretty annoying. Its like you are too tight to splash out on a sub so you're trying to run down the whole thing to make yourself feel better about it.

If you dont want to join dont, but theres no need to p!$$ on everyone elses parade.

FixdePitchmark

Kid Charlemagne wrote: »

There may well be a class war - however - that is of no relevance to this subject, despite you trying to make it so. Honestly dont get where your comin from, you seem to have a real chip on your shoulder about something.

As regards the whole cagey thing - you are always sniping from the sidelines about golf club members as they are some sort of elitist bunch of toffs looking down on the "poor hardworking lower orders". Speaking as a regular guy who happens to be a member of a golf club purely because i enjoy the game, your snidey little comments are pretty annoying. Its like you are too tight to splash out on a sub so you're trying to run down the whole thing to make yourself feel better about it.

If you dont want to join dont, but theres no need to p!$$ on everyone elses parade.

So there is a class war now. Thanks.

Look you seem to have a fixation on me, it is the Internet you can ignore, perhaps you are not use to somebody questioning your values. Fine, ignore me.

How on earth you can come to some of the ideas about me are a bit perplexing, Hi Dad.

It is clear you would not want to play a game of golf with me, but perhaps etiquette would require it.

Look , live and let live. But if you think there is no class element to some golf clubs in Dublin, you need to open your eyes again. Perhaps it takes an outsider to tell the truth. But, that has nothing to do with it, so many people have explained why somebody would need or like to play on their own, it is not as clear cut as you make it out.

But there is no way, I will ever let somebody call somebody an "ignoramus" or an "undiserable" for what went on there. You can keep your club and your made up self important little rules. Not even made up rules , stolen rules from another culture and time.

And to say I'm tight. Thanks , that is the best laugh I have had since I got my second chip last year. I would also say it is poor etiquette to say that.

Lighten up, or ignore.

Love, Fixde

blue note

I agree with the majority of people on this. There was a timesheet, so it was pig ignorant of them to tell you you couldn't play with them.

And for times when there is no timesheet and you just asked if you could join their game, well then it's perfectly fine for you to ask and perfectly fine for them to politely decline. We've all gone out to the course with a few private things to discuss or maybe just not in the mood to make small talk with a stranger.

Kid Charlemagne

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

So there is a class war now. Thanks.

dont thank me - i didnt start it.

its as simple as this - if someone asked me if they could play with me, i would say yes. would you? im guessing you would??

also - I never said i wouldn play with you at all, who wouldnt want to see a 4 iron being thrashed 220 yards???;)

FixdePitchmark

Kid Charlemagne wrote: »

dont thank me - i didnt start it.

its as simple as this - if someone asked me if they could play with me, i would say yes. would you? im guessing you would??

also - I never said i wouldn play with you at all, who wouldnt want to see a 4 iron being thrashed 220 yards???;)

See fixation.

I'd say it is hard for you to hit one that far in your Blazer. The seams are too strong my friend.


I would say yes. I'd buy them a pint after - but the ****er better buy me one back


best of luck man, not all in this world are made for each other. The joys of life. The roll of the dice.

GreeBo

Move along please