driving slice

opinionated3

Can someone please help? I have a terrible slice only on my driver. It never happens me when I hit woods off the ground, just when I strike the drive off the tee. I had a lesson last week which I was not happy with. I am pretty sure it is because of an out to in swing path but whatever I try I just cannot get rid of it. Anyone got any suggestions? I am desperate at this stage cos it is seriously damaging my ability to score.

opinionated3

Can someone please help? I have a terrible slice only on my driver. It never happens me when I hit woods off the ground, just when I strike the drive off the tee. I had a lesson last week which I was not happy with. I am pretty sure it is because of an out to in swing path but whatever I try I just cannot get rid of it. Anyone got any suggestions? I am desperate at this stage cos it is seriously damaging my ability to score.

FANTAPANTS

try slowing your swing down completly to find your rythem and then build up your swing

opinionated3

FANTAPANTS wrote: »

try slowing your swing down completly to find your rythem and then build up your swing

Thanks for that buddy. I will give any idea a go at this stage. I know it's not my grip but I think what I really struggle to complete is the forearm turn over. It just feels all wrong.

FANTAPANTS

hit the range and try it out

stockdam

Why weren;t you happy with your lesson?

I don't understand why you are just slicing your driver and no other club. If that is the case then you are swinging differently so it shouldn't be hard to work out what you are doing. It's very unusual to swing out-to-in just for one club.

As a very simple cure try swing with passive hands.......do not use your hands but just them them hand on for the ride.

Generally to cure a slice you need to work on your setup.

FixdePitchmark

stockdam wrote: »

Why weren;t you happy with your lesson?

I don't understand why you are just slicing your driver and no other club. If that is the case then you are swinging differently so it shouldn't be hard to work out what you are doing. It's very unusual to swing out-to-in just for one club.

As a very simple cure try swing with passive hands.......do not use your hands but just them them hand on for the ride.

Generally to cure a slice you need to work on your setup.

If it is just one club could the shaft be wrong ?

opinionated3

stockdam wrote: »

Why weren;t you happy with your lesson?

I don't understand why you are just slicing your driver and no other club. If that is the case then you are swinging differently so it shouldn't be hard to work out what you are doing. It's very unusual to swing out-to-in just for one club.

As a very simple cure try swing with passive hands.......do not use your hands but just them them hand on for the ride.

Generally to cure a slice you need to work on your setup.

Thanks. I was unhappy with the lesson simply because I felt it was over too quickly. The instructor finished it when he saw me hit two straight drives in a row, as if I was cured. I had been wondering if it was the shaft but this driver was previously working fine so I think it must be me somehow.

Thepoet85

Hey,

I have this problem oo. I'm almost at the point where it's only happening at one or two holes a round.

Generally I feel that if I set up properly before a swing, I hit them straight. And it's usually when I dont feel comfortable over the ball that I slice.

Also, the slower I swing the straighter it goes ( Most of the time anyway :-) )

Good luck with it :-)

joebloggs123

I've had the same problem for ages. Best thing I have found is to try keep my left arm as straight for as long as possible and to imagine that im trying to connect with the ball the same way i would if i needed to curl a football from right to left. As someone else said, the tempo of your swing is important too. If you do the above at a nice tempo, you will make a nice solid connection and are likely to hit the ball further.
Since I started doing that, I noticed the odd time i would hit the ball fat or bounce off the ground before hitting the ball. Keeping my head up and looking at the target again before swinging resolved that for me.

Jazzzman

try keeping the club face closed on the back swing - this should result in having the club face square on impact

also, roll your forearms when coming through the ball. youtube it if you don't know what I mean by that.

that's what I focus on when it sneaks back into my game and it usually sorts it

Gmpd

I had the same problem and looked up a video on the net and it worked mine was caused by out to in swing and slightly opened club face. What the clip suggested was take my normal setup then move my left foot well back behind me so I was I a extreme closed stance ( I'm a lefty) so if your right handed you shod move the right foot.. Then swing down the target line straight back straight forward hitting balls until they start going straight and each time they do move your foot. Closer. Ack to its original position. Don't worry about distance at first on e you get it going straight took a few while but I'm hitti g it a lot straighter ow than I was. Still get a rear massive slice now and then when I try be the big. Boy and try smash it hope this helps. Ps that vid was called the back foot drill.. Defo worth youtubing

TheDoc

Ive the same problem with my driver recently

Bal flight is shockingly low and a slice. This is the only club I do it with

More then likely my shaft

Imgoin to organise one of the lads in the pro shop to take a look and give their thoughts

blue note

I've always battled with a slice. A tip I read in golf digest that's helped no end is to rotate your shoulders. I was not bringing the club around me enough, so causing the out to in swing. Now I can even hook it sometimes! Also, ball is sometimes too far forward in my stance, I could be standing too far away from or too near the ball. Basically anything I do wrong cones out as a slice.

matt-dublin

doc, try teeing it up higher, you could be trying to hit down on the ball with the driver.

TheDoc

blue note wrote: »

I've always battled with a slice. A tip I read in golf digest that's helped no end is to rotate your shoulders. I was not bringing the club around me enough, so causing the out to in swing. Now I can even hook it sometimes! Also, ball is sometimes too far forward in my stance, I could be standing too far away from or too near the ball. Basically anything I do wrong cones out as a slice.

3 handicapper pointed out to me last week that I stand too far away from the ball on my drives and that my back bends over rather then keeps straight

Few things to work on

But no one can tell me why im hitting the ball so low. Its running a fair distance and its great with the recent wind. But as myDa says to me , its going to be scary when I fgure out why its going low and slicing.

Getting it higher and more straight imgoing to be looking at some serious big drives

Thepoet85

Gmpd wrote: »

I had the same problem and looked up a video on the net and it worked mine was caused by out to in swing and slightly opened club face. What the clip suggested was take my normal setup then move my left foot well back behind me so I was I a extreme closed stance ( I'm a lefty) so if your right handed you shod move the right foot.. Then swing down the target line straight back straight forward hitting balls until they start going straight and each time they do move your foot. Closer. Ack to its original position. Don't worry about distance at first on e you get it going straight took a few while but I'm hitti g it a lot straighter ow than I was. Still get a rear massive slice now and then when I try be the big. Boy and try smash it hope this helps. Ps that vid was called the back foot drill.. Defo worth youtubing

Hope this is it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry8Pb22h9Jg

TheDoc

Cant watch vids here on client site but is that the guy with the glasses , English fella Mark or something ?

His channel is smashing and has a few god swing fix vids

blue note

TheDoc wrote: »

blue note wrote: »

I've always battled with a slice. A tip I read in golf digest that's helped no end is to rotate your shoulders. I was not bringing the club around me enough, so causing the out to in swing. Now I can even hook it sometimes! Also, ball is sometimes too far forward in my stance, I could be standing too far away from or too near the ball. Basically anything I do wrong cones out as a slice.

3 handicapper pointed out to me last week that I stand too far away from the ball on my drives and that my back bends over rather then keeps straight

Few things to work on

But no one can tell me why im hitting the ball so low. Its running a fair distance and its great with the recent wind. But as myDa says to me , its going to be scary when I fgure out why its going low and slicing.

Getting it higher and more straight imgoing to be looking at some serious big drives

I wa the exact same - coming out to in and down on it. It was a low running slice - if it started on the very left of the fairway or would run off the right side. But distance wise it was quite good. Now I can hit some of the comically high. My driving has definately improved overall though since concentrating on my shoulder turn.

Oh, not keeping my left arm straight and keeping my wrists too tense were other causes of a slice.

BoardsMember

matt-dublin wrote: »

doc, try teeing it up higher, you could be trying to hit down on the ball with the driver.

I think this is wrong. Hitting down on the ball is for irons, a driver you should be hitting on the bottom of the swing plane/arc or slightly on the rise. A steeper angle (hitting down) is not what you want

spacecoyote

Gmpd wrote: »

I had the same problem and looked up a video on the net and it worked mine was caused by out to in swing and slightly opened club face. What the clip suggested was take my normal setup then move my left foot well back behind me so I was I a extreme closed stance ( I'm a lefty) so if your right handed you shod move the right foot.. Then swing down the target line straight back straight forward hitting balls until they start going straight and each time they do move your foot. Closer. Ack to its original position. Don't worry about distance at first on e you get it going straight took a few while but I'm hitti g it a lot straighter ow than I was. Still get a rear massive slice now and then when I try be the big. Boy and try smash it hope this helps. Ps that vid was called the back foot drill.. Defo worth youtubing

I think this is fine for getting a feel for the correct swing path, but is not really solving your swing problem.

I was using this method for a while & while it was somewhat effective I was still swinging on the wring path,set up was just overcompensating for it.

Took me two lessons to get towards solving the slice this year. 1st concentrated on getting me swing on correct path. One drill I found helpful was to pick my target, then pick another target well short of that and about 20 yards right of that (im a righty). The aim is to hit your target but to feel like you are aiming to hit the ball over the short target to the right before you reach your actual target.

2nd lesson world on me ensuring I took the club away more closed as I was so far open on my back swing that I wasnt gettin the ball back square at impact.

best bet is to get back for another lesson with a video I reckon so you can see what your doing wrong yourself.

good luck with it.

TheDoc

BoardsMember wrote: »

I think this is wrong. Hitting down on the ball is for irons, a driver you should be hitting on the bottom of the swing plane/arc or slightly on the rise. A steeper angle (hitting down) is not what you want

Yes Id agree that I shouldnt be hitting steep

I know that with my irons and wedges Im steep at impact. Something Im trying to remove. Finding very difficult mind you

Its possible its also happening on the driver. But I tend to keep the clubhead low on takeaway andi dont feel its steep on impact

But its something to review.

I would have thought though if i was driving steep on the driver the reaction would be a higher flight and possibly some divots or the clubface hitting the ground

This is a really low slice I wouldnt even call it a fade. Im getting big distance still but im aiming a fair bit left of target to try get it in the fairway but the ball spin is usually sending it into the rough.

If I can get a more higher flight and a straight ball Id be confident of hitting very big drives. And we are talking instead of a 7 iron having a wedge.

Ive had a few good playing partners try point out to me whats happening but they are definitly stumped on the height

I have a few days off in two week for and ill be practising and will see what i can find

Might also get some videos of my drive so we can all sit down and have a chat haha

Ben1977

There could be a couple of faults for the slice with the driver and not other clubs.

1. Shaft flex too weak for you.
2. Ball position in stance, Get a pal to tell you were you are standing, I guess you could have the ball off your toe of your front foot. Its very hard to tell this yourself.
3. Out to in swing, loads of reasons for this. Swaying in swing, casting the rigth shoulder out on the downswing, flat swing plane on the way back which gives you a steep plane on the way through.
4. Tee to high causing you to cut under the ball.

As you can see I coould go on and on. The only advice I could give you, as i'm not a pro!! is to find a range with a mirror and practice you setup with the driver. There is no quick fix. Start with the setup, you will be amazed when you see yourself in a mirror.

Boring I know but it all leads from the setup.

irish bloke

Try this drill, work nearly always for an over the top slicer.

Theres loads of these vids on youtube, this was the first one I saw.

matt-dublin

BoardsMember wrote: »

I think this is wrong. Hitting down on the ball is for irons, a driver you should be hitting on the bottom of the swing plane/arc or slightly on the rise. A steeper angle (hitting down) is not what you want

Thats whi i am saying tee it up higher, it will premote sweeping of the ball rather than teeing it down.

I think he's hitting down at the ball with the driver which would cause a fade a low fade, similar if you were trying to hit it off the deck.

tee it up and swing through the ball it might help., it will definitly help the ball get up a little higher. I usually like to see 2/3 of the ball above the clibface with the driver.

Tones69

Nobody has mentioned it and its probably the main reason ur cutting it, ur grip, check it, ul need a fairly strong grip to square the clubface at impact (seeing 3 or so knuckles on your left hand)
I found this video very good before, explained it well

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogpIxONwqc8

TheDoc

irish bloke wrote: »

Try this drill, work nearly always for an over the top slicer.

Theres loads of these vids on youtube, this was the first one I saw.

I dontdo the above , I dont have that drastic out to in action , Id be able to tell myself if i was doing that but its something my Da was spotting for and didnt see it happening

Edit : I do it ith my irons and wedges though , why i dont know but imgoing to mess with that drill with two washing baskets and see what happens. I want rid of it .

There is no excuse why i cant hit bigger irons. The steep impact and cutting across the ball is making me lose distance no question. I hit my 7 iron about 165 yds so correcting this fault id be looking for an extra 15-20

TheDoc

matt-dublin wrote: »

Thats whi i am saying tee it up higher, it will premote sweeping of the ball rather than teeing it down.

I think he's hitting down at the ball with the driver which would cause a fade a low fade, similar if you were trying to hit it off the deck.

tee it up and swing through the ball it might help., it will definitly help the ball get up a little higher. I usually like to see 2/3 of the ball above the clibface with the driver.

I use the pretty much age old little finger.

I press the tee down with my litlte finger stretched until the finger tips the grass.

This gives me typically 1/2 - 3/4 of the ball viewed if level behind the driver head. Which is the recommended

Any higher I think would be counter productive but something to try i guess

I'm more honing in on your point of coming in steep. I know it happens with my irons and wedge but I thought Id a repetitive swing with the driver to ensure this didnt happen

But im going to look into this aspect


Someone also mntioned above a weak shaft. The driver has the Tylor Mde stiff flex. PErsonally feel like its a regular with how it bends at the bottom. You know the way you kinda do short burst snaps of a shaft to see how whippy it is.This looks whippy.

Im taking out my titelist driver at the weekend. Have it on adverts but no one biting. And I know I can hit that wth a piercing trajectory straight for a decntly big hit.

If I get the launchim expecting i now its probably shaft related

If i get the low slice with the Titty then I know its swing related

Will keep you filled in

TheDoc

Correcting out to in on my irons
Find out what the hell with my driver

Sounds like ive plenty to work on my three days off !

irish bloke

TheDoc wrote: »

Correcting out to in on my irons
Find out what the hell with my driver

Sounds like ive plenty to work on my three days off !

Would you not post some vids of your swing and eliminate all the guessing?

matt-dublin

Doc,

to try getting the ball moving a little better you could look at moving the ball more forward towards your leading big toe (left foot if right handed)

this will help the sweeping action and promote catching the ball on the upswing which is recommended on the driver.

another option as well is to move your hands slightly back at address, so your hands are over the club rathar than the ball (i do this with the driver and find i get huge distance and strike gains out of it), again it will assist catching the ball on the upswing and a higher ball flight.

the low ball flight and slice really points to catching the ball too much on the downswing with the driver which is fine with irons and fairway woods(ish)

opinionated3

Thanks for all the advice folks. I am hoping to get a few holes played tomorrow at some stage so I hope to try out some of your ideas. I play on a course that is just laced with tall trees and bushes so as you can imagine my slice is putting me in all sorts of bother. As a result I am constantly just trying to rescue the hole, rather than having a long iron shot to attack the green..

TheDoc

irish bloke wrote: »

Would you not post some vids of your swing and eliminate all the guessing?

Il take some vids during my practice coming up so we can all knit pick my swing

TheDoc

matt-dublin wrote: »

Doc,

to try getting the ball moving a little better you could look at moving the ball more forward towards your leading big toe (left foot if right handed)

this will help the sweeping action and promote catching the ball on the upswing which is recommended on the driver.

another option as well is to move your hands slightly back at address, so your hands are over the club rathar than the ball (i do this with the driver and find i get huge distance and strike gains out of it), again it will assist catching the ball on the upswing and a higher ball flight.

the low ball flight and slice really points to catching the ball too much on the downswing with the driver which is fine with irons and fairway woods(ish)

TBH ive las wo games had the ball so far forward im in danger of catching it on my turn

Ive been moving ball position around with no difference. Id be happy saying i have the ball position where it should be

Also have my hands very sligtly behind the ball as you dscribe.

As mentioned above i think a few videos are in order, ill probabl even see the problem myself straight away but it will probably be the best tool at this point to try figure out whats happening

stringy

FixdePitchmark wrote: »

If it is just one club could the shaft be wrong ?

Probably not, the OP mentioned it happens his driver and woods.

This is due to the lower loft pronouncing the slice, where it is less apparent with iron shots. It happens to the majority golfers, who hit a fade (soft slice) with driver, and the irons fly more or less straight.

The reason the ball flight is low and slicing, is possibly because you are de-lofting the driver with a steep over the top swing.

The best tip I've found for coming down on the inside on your downswing is starting your downswing with your left foot, this is the first part of the body that should move when your club is at the top. I'm not sure of the mechanics involved but it's certainly helped me (thanks to a random Q&A Poulter had on twitter!)

BoardsMember

stringy wrote: »

starting your downswing with your left foot, this is the first part of the body that should move when your club is at the top.

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matt-dublin

BoardsMember wrote: »

stringy wrote: »

starting your downswing with your left foot, this is the first part of the body that should move when your club is at the top.

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and

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Like in happy Gilmore???

BoardsMember

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Waesfjord

I suffer from the same problem as OP.

As we all know, an out to in swingpath will produce the slice (if open face relative to swingpath) which is accentuated with woods andd driver due to less top spin compared to irons as topspin suppressing the side swing.

Two things I was told during a lesson with pro today (for me) was

#1 was that I had too steep a backswing, this was caused by me swinging the club back to parellel position relative to ground using my wrists as opposed to the correct way using arms/chest swing only. As too steep a backswing, this forced an over the top downswing ...slice... Once I started a more shallow back swing (i.e. start backswing with chest/arms), the fade on irons, slice of driver was much less pronounced.

#2 was that on driver only (apparently was okay on irons and woods,, don't know drover is different) I was keeping my weight too much on front foot during back swing and/or moved weight too quickly from back foot to front foot during downswing. I was told that weight should slightly favour rear foot at address, weight then follows clubhead, i.e. weight transfer to front only as club strikes ball. This bit I haven't refined yet, still a work in progress, more practice required over the weelkend

Maybe you might find something in above...

Thepoet85

brian1976 wrote: »

I suffer from the same problem as OP.

As we all know, an out to in swingpath will produce the slice (if open face relative to swingpath) which is accentuated with woods andd driver due to less top spin compared to irons as topspin suppressing the side swing.

Two things I was told during a lesson with pro today (for me) was

#1 was that I had too steep a backswing, this was caused by me swinging the club back to parellel position relative to ground using my wrists as opposed to the correct way using arms/chest swing only. As too steep a backswing, this forced an over the top downswing ...slice... Once I started a more shallow back swing (i.e. start backswing with chest/arms), the fade on irons, slice of driver was much less pronounced.

#2 was that on driver only (apparently was okay on irons and woods,, don't know drover is different) I was keeping my weight too much on front foot during back swing and/or moved weight too quickly from back foot to front foot during downswing. I was told that weight should slightly favour rear foot at address, weight then follows clubhead, i.e. weight transfer to front only as club strikes ball. This bit I haven't refined yet, still a work in progress, more practice required over the weelkend

Maybe you might find something in above...

Part two of that makes a lot of sense. I must try that out tomorrow and see if it helps.

TheDoc

Took my old Titelist out and was big long and straight.

Appears the issue is shaft related. Also might be the club just doesn't suit.

Titelist fiiting day next month in golf club where they will custom fit for free buying a new club.

So i think a 910D on the cards.

opinionated3

TheDoc wrote: »

Took my old Titelist out and was big long and straight.

Appears the issue is shaft related. Also might be the club just doesn't suit.

Titelist fiiting day next month in golf club where they will custom fit for free buying a new club.

So i think a 910D on the cards.

Which golf club is this?wondr if they would take trade INS against a new 910d

stockdam

Ok so maybe it is the shaft. If the shaft is far too stiff then you'll hit it low and to the right with a cut/fade/slice. What loft was the driver?

opinionated3

stockdam wrote: »

Ok so maybe it is the shaft. If the shaft is far too stiff then you'll hit it low and to the right with a cut/fade/slice. What loft was the driver?

Loft is 10.5 adjustable. can't figure the whole thing out cos just a matter of weeks ago I was hitting a nice manageable fade. Now I can't hit a drive without slicing and just the last few days started developing the dreaded shank around the greens. Utterly devastated at the moment. I thought the lesson would sort me but now I am not even looking forward to my next round of golf

TheDoc

opinionated3 wrote: »

Which golf club is this?wondr if they would take trade INS against a new 910d

Yeah they take trade ins. But Ill probably sell it for cash myself to put against picking up a driver during the fitting day.

Senna

I cured my slice by using a Callaway FTI driver, the face is so closed that it forces you to close your stance and aim further right (which was always furthest from my mind before). Once i got comfortable i could switch to a different driver and keep a good set-up. It worked for me.

Bishop22

I'd recommend (from experience) that you take great care with your grip. Perhaps watch that as a starting point and make sure you are not doing anything different gripwise with your driver.

link_2007

There's a touch of deja vu about this...

scubapro

Link you must of banged your funny bone tonight. OP seardh back the last week or two and you will find a thread on slicing the driver, lots of tips there.

link_2007

scubapro wrote: »

Link you must of banged your funny bone tonight. OP seardh back the last week or two and you will find a thread on slicing the driver, lots of tips there.

It's the same lad

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056627059

charlieIRL

One thread on the topic is enough, OK