Tumosan tractors

Atilathehun

I'm looking hard at the minute for a clean lowish houred 4WD tractor.80 to 90 hp range.
Hard to get something suitable unless I spend close to €20k for something 10 years or more old.
Then I saw this, which is making me think, buy new. http://www.donedeal.ie/for-sale/tractors/3284222

Based on Fiat designs. Made in Turkey. Does anyone on here have one, or know first hand about them.

moy83

A neighbour got the newer type looking one about a month ago . 95 hp with the rossmore loader . He is happy out with it , said its good on diesel and nice to drive . In saying that he feeds about fifty bales does a bit of topping , spreading manure and bringing home the turf so its not going to be tested too hard .
If i was to pick between the two i prefer the fiat lookalike

Atilathehun

moy83 wrote: »

A neighbour got the newer type looking one about a month ago . 95 hp with the rossmore loader . He is happy out with it , said its good on diesel and nice to drive . In saying that he feeds about fifty bales does a bit of topping , spreading manure and bringing home the turf so its not going to be tested too hard .
If i was to pick between the two i prefer the fiat lookalike

zetor 95hp with loader advertised in the rag this week at €49950.
Seems the Tumosan equivalent package is about €33,500. That's a hell of a difference between two budget models. Must be worth a look.!!!

6480

Atilathehun wrote: »

zetor 95hp with loader advertised in the rag this week at €49950.
Seems the Tumosan equivalent package is about €33,500. That's a hell of a difference between two budget models. Must be worth a look.!!!

are they based on the fiat 90 serious does any one know

Muckit

It looks like they bought the rights and formers to the old 90series Fiat off CNH.

I'd say that's where the comparisons end.

If I had to buy one, I'd buy the fiat look-a-like and rebadge it as an 80-90

hmmm.....12-G-8090:D:D:D

BeeDI

Muckit wrote: »

It looks like they bought the rights and formers to the old 90series Fiat off CNH.

I'd say that's where the comparisons end.

If I had to buy one, I'd buy the fiat look-a-like and rebadge it as an 80-90

hmmm.....12-G-8090:D:D:D

You may be too young to remember, but when Toyota and Nissan (then known as Datsun) first launched in Ireland, in the seventies, the established brands and owners of established brands, just laughed at them.
I think today the laugh is on the then establishment.

You know for the smaller farmer wanting simple tractor to do basic feeding, and bale handling, and general jobbing, they give a value for money option.
Good "looking" condition MF390, 20 years old can make €15k plus.
Should a lad with a few more pennies to spend, consider a Tumosan?
Why not?
Remember Toyota and Datsun!

threeball

Another turkish company, Hattat, are selling tractors here now also and they are already manufacturing quite a few parts for some of the more established brands so they're obviously no dopes.

Muckit

I totally agree with you beeDI. Buy to suit your circumstance... and pocket

I didn't say I wouldn't buy one! If I was in the market for a new tractor, I'd definitely do more research into them, afterall, if your taking a gamble it might as well be an educated one;)

threeball

Heres the HTT, http://regan.ie/n/?p=1764 , not a bad looking bus

smoothyP

Muckit wrote: »

I totally agree with you beeDI. Buy to suit your circumstance... and pocket

I didn't say I wouldn't buy one! If I was in the market for a new tractor, I'd definitely do more research into them, afterall, if your taking a gamble it might as well be educated one;)

A good few new tumosans have appeared in my locality lately have spoken with some of the owners they seem to be pretty happy with there tractors one thing that they all said is that they have great pulling power for size.

manjou

When i was in turkey years ago i seen what looked like fiat tractors every where so they are well tested. Also new holland and case tractors are made in turkey so maybe the tuscum tractors are like buying a skoda instead of a vw. had an 80 90 fiat for 20 years and only put a clutch in it only reason it went was it was the version that rueted away.10 years ago bought a nh td995 instead of a tuscum because dealer gave good deal so wouldent buy other .said came from same factory

reilig

manjou wrote: »

When i was in turkey years ago i seen what looked like fiat tractors every where so they are well tested. Also new holland and case tractors are made in turkey so maybe the tuscum tractors are like buying a skoda instead of a vw. had an 80 90 fiat for 20 years and only put a clutch in it only reason it went was it was the version that rueted away.10 years ago bought a nh td995 instead of a tuscum because dealer gave good deal so wouldent buy other .said came from same factory

My New Holland came from Italy - from the old fiat Factory in Jesi.
Massive difference between it and the same sized Tumosan. Difference in price and depreciation also. I'm a firm believer that you get what you pay for!!

8k2q1gfcz9s5d4

reilig wrote: »

Difference in price and depreciation also. I'm a firm believer that you get what you pay for!!

The first tumosans arrived in ireland in 2002, the 82-80 which is the "80-90" model was 30k inc vat for a 4wd. wonder what they are making now second hand.

bob charles

Caiden Rotten Cord wrote: »

The first tumosans arrived in ireland in 2002, the 82-80 which is the "80-90" model was 30k inc vat for a 4wd. wonder what they are making now second hand.

around €190 a ton I think

smoothyP

bob charles wrote: »

Caiden Rotten Cord wrote: »

The first tumosans arrived in ireland in 2002, the 82-80 which is the "80-90" model was 30k inc vat for a 4wd. wonder what they are making now second hand.

around €190 a ton I think

As far as I know second hand 02/03 models are making good money. The new Models from what I can see are the very same as a Td New Holland or a a jx case I got a drive on my neighbours one. Also I was told by a large tractor dealers that NH-td&Case jx are built in Turkey as well as tumosan

reilig

wonder what they are making now second hand.

Were there many sold?

Less than 10 per year i heard.

None second hand for sale at the moment. This doesn't mean that they are reliable. It doesn't mean that they hold their value. It doesn't mean that they are saught after. If you buy one on the basis of buying a skoda instead of a VW then you are making a mistake.

Tumosan bought the design off Fiat, that's all!!
They build their own engines, cast their own parts AND assemble their own tractors to their own standards.

They are related to fiat in looks only and they use this as their selling platform.

Buying a Tumosan because it looks like a Fiat is like buying a Jersey Bull because it looks like a Limousin!!

smoothyP

reilig wrote: »

wonder what they are making now second hand.

Were there many sold?

Less than 10 per year i heard.

None second hand for sale at the moment. This doesn't mean that they are reliable. It doesn't mean that they hold their value. It doesn't mean that they are saught after. If you buy one on the basis of buying a skoda instead of a VW then you are making a mistake.

Tumosan bought the design off Fiat, that's all!!
They build their own engines, cast their own parts AND assemble their own tractors to their own standards.

Theywe are related to fiat in looks only and they use this as their selling platform.

Buying a Tumosan because it looks like a Fiat is like buying a Jersey Bull because it looks like a Limousin!!

We have an 03 tumosan 80hp with over 5000hrs all it got was a front hub seal. It does a lot of loader work we can't fault them. Built off Fiat tried and tested design. Is better than a company scratch. Looking forward to trading for a new model in 13.

reilig

smoothyP wrote: »

We have an 03 tumosan 80hp with over 5000hrs all it got was a front hub seal. It does a lot of loader work we can't fault them. Built off Fiat tried and tested design. Is better than a company scratch. Looking forward to trading for a new model in 13.

I never said that the build quality was poor (I don't honestly know).

However, people buying one just because it looks like a Fiat is not rational and Tumosan marketing them because of their similar image to Fiat is a marketing ploy. The only design features that it shares with Fiat are the shape and the colour. It has a different engine, a different back end and is assembled in a factory which is not related to any Fiat or New Holland Tractors.





BTW. Which of the Brogan Brothers are you?

iverjohnston

You must please yourself, but if buying a secondhand 90hp tractor 4wd for general farm work, I would lean towards one of the old Same Leopards, Very good mechanicals, an excellent 4wd system and aircooled. Prob. about €6000 for a good one. Just watch for rusty cabs. M in Cavan

smoothyP

reilig wrote: »

smoothyP wrote: »

We have an 03 tumosan 80hp with over 5000hrs all it got was a front hub seal. It does a lot of loader work we can't fault them. Built off Fiat tried and tested design. Is better than a company scratch. Looking forward to trading for a new model in 13.

I never said that the build quality was poor (I don't honestly know).

However, people buying one just because it looks like a Fiat is not rational and Tumosan marketing them because of their similar image to Fiat is a marketing ploy. The only design features that it shares with Fiat are the shape and the colour. It has a different engine, a different back end and is assembled in a factory which is not related to any Fiat or New Holland Tractors.





BTW. Which of the Brogan Brothers are you?

No I am not one them. Maybe be able little bies because we have one but there is a good few of the new models after appearing in my area as I said earlier they're getting good remarks. New Models don't look like a Fiat at all it will be interesting to see how they go.

THE LINK WALSH

smoothyP wrote: »

As far as I know second hand 02/03 models are making good money. The new Models from what I can see are the very same as a Td New Holland or a a jx case I got a drive on my neighbours one. Also I was told by a large tractor dealers that NH-td&Case jx are built in Turkey as well as tumosan[/QUOTE]

This isnt true,New Hollands and Case TDD and JX were built in Turkey prior to around 2006 but are no longer being built there,all TDs and JXs are being built at Jesi in Italy for the past 5 or 6 Years,they are light Years ahead of Tumosan for quality of finish no matter which end of the tractor you look at.

Whilst the Fiat 80/90 was renowned for durability etc during the 80s and 90s they were also renowned for very very slow hydraulics due to tiny hyd pumps,poor hitches,plenty of rust,combersome gearboxes etc etc,you get what you pay for,anybody buying a Tumason had better be prepared to fall in love with it because your gettin married...

smoothyP

THE LINK WALSH wrote: »

smoothyP wrote: »

As far as I know second hand 02/03 models are making good money. The new Models from what I can see are the very same as a Td New Holland or a a jx case I got a drive on my neighbours one. Also I was told by a large tractor dealers that NH-td&Case jx are built in Turkey as well as tumosan[/QUOTE]

This isnt true,New Hollands and Case TDD and JX were built in Turkey prior to around 2006 but are no longer being built there,all TDs and JXs are being built at Jesi in Italy for the past 5 or 6 Years,they are light Years ahead of Tumosan for quality of finish no matter which end of the tractor you look at.

Whilst the Fiat 80/90 was renowned for durability etc during the 80s and 90s they were also renowned for very very slow hydraulics due to tiny hyd pumps,poor hitches,plenty of rust,combersome gearboxes etc etc,you get what you pay for,anybody buying a Tumason had better be prepared to fall in love with it because your gettin married...

There a budget tractor after all not much choice in that end of the market as I noticed when we were pricing around for a future purchase in the new year. Some of the other budget makes have gone up a lot in price but don't have much extra to show to reflect the increase!
Our current tractors has been good to us so I can't see why we won't go for tumosan again. Not much competition in budget market when it comes to reliability from what i can see. I know people are not willing to give new makes of anything a chance but they have been around for a while now ours is 03

pakalasa

I was in a factory once in Italy. They were making hydraulic parts for Case, John Deere, McCormick etc.... They were supplying most of the big names. That said, I would thread carefully with these new makes. You just don't know.

8k2q1gfcz9s5d4

did anyone ever drive a DFH? I was inside one at brogans in ballymoe in 2004, they look more like the 90 series than the tumosans. 80-120 HP. again, like the tumosans, they look like fiats, but i dont think they were up to much.

towzer2010

I'm with reilig on this. You get what you pay for.

Wasnt Lada built on the plans for fiat cars? A lot of those appeared 20 years ago and their owners used to swear they were as good as any car but I've driven a few and they were crap.

I always think that someone that has the imitation brand in anything always tries to defend the fact that the own one by talking it up.

That or else they are tumosan dealers:P

snowman707

Caiden Rotten Cord wrote: »

did anyone ever drive a DFH? I was inside one at brogans in ballymoe in 2004, they look more like the 90 series than the tumosans. 80-120 HP. again, like the tumosans, they look like fiats, but i dont think they were up to much.

[IMG]http://image.made-in-china.com/2f0j00gRtEaWTCzziP/DFH-Tractor- from-80-to-120hp.jpg[/IMG]

neighbour had one , issues with front axle and clutch/ gearbox, he didn't hold on to it too long.

restive

Atilathehun wrote: »

zetor 95hp with loader advertised in the rag this week at €49950.
Seems the Tumosan equivalent package is about €33,500. That's a hell of a difference between two budget models. Must be worth a look.!!!

Is something the costs €49,950 really considered a budget model?

sob1467

Just came across this thread. Anyway we have one at home a 2002 8280. Admittedly it doesn't do an awful lot of heavey work. Spreading, topping, moving silage hay etc. But we've had it a good while now and no serious problems with it. Had to change clutch and fix the lift but thats really all the bother we've had so far. Touch wood.Also new Holland/fiat parts work on it. I'm not a mechanic though but so far they have anyway.

It seems economical and a good tractor for the money. Don't know anything about the new Tumosans though (The non fiat looking ones)

f2

did anybody buy one, was told not a bad outfit when you get them going that is the tumosan, new model not bad looking, hattat smarter though, whats the brakes like on new model zetor

Ard_MC

Anyone have any reviews on these good or bad?

Feckoffcup

Why do you guys down south like lesser known brands like Tumosan and Belarus? The fact that dealerships exist for those heaps of scrap is remarkable .

lalababa

Feckoffcup wrote: »

Why do you guys down south like lesser known brands like Tumosan and Belarus? The fact that dealerships exist for those heaps of scrap is remarkable .

Yes any updates from owners , users or mechanics much appreciated. Tractor brand snobs can chill out.

lakill Farm

Feckoffcup wrote: »

Why do you guys down south like lesser known brands like Tumosan and Belarus? The fact that dealerships exist for those heaps of scrap is remarkable .

what brand and model of tractors have you?

selectamatic

Feckoffcup wrote: »

Why do you guys down south like lesser known brands like Tumosan and Belarus? The fact that dealerships exist for those heaps of scrap is remarkable .

Belarus are a different kettle of fish to the companies that make fiat/mf replica's. They've a long history and have made some very decent tractors down through the years.

Lawnseed

The tumosan are heavily advertised. I assume that they must be selling OK.
Any updates on how they are performing or any bad experiences?
With the price of second hand tractors just now they are certainly a financial option. whether or not they are value for money depends on their ability to work and I suppose their resale value.
Bearing resale values in mind the valmet could have been bought very cheap in the UK for a few years now they're silly money with huge hours.

So what's the verdict?
PS word has it that a six cylinder model is in the pipeline this would make them serious options

stendfor

Tümosan 8095 bought it since 2015 .. 2480 hours without problems.. Just the sound in the cabin is louder than my other tractor: same explorer 95.. And im geting a new tümosan maxima 9115 .. Hope the maxima will be more comfortable
Any one with other experiences?

hopeso

My only experience of Tumosan is sitting in one in McHale's yard in Kilmaine, with seven hours on the clock. It was traded in for a new Massey, because the owner couldn't stand the noise in the cab. I don't know what McHales gave him for it against the Massey, but I'm sure it was the costliest seven hours that any tractor ever clocked up.....

Lawnseed

The noise must have been unbearable to trade after 7hrs.
There has to be a way of dampering the noise. Or sound proofing that can be done.
If they are being imported into the EU there are laws that govern the noise you are exposed to.

Why did he not take it back to the dealer??
I'm sure they would want to sort this out

hopeso

Lawnseed wrote: »

The noise must have been unbearable to trade after 7hrs.
There has to be a way of dampering the noise. Or sound proofing that can be done.
If they are being imported into the EU there are laws that govern the noise you are exposed to.

Why did he not take it back to the dealer??
I'm sure they would want to sort this out

I don't know the whole story, only what the salesman in McHales told me. It wasn't so much the actual noise, but the way it kind of echoed around in the cab, if that makes sense. This was a good few years ago now. Probably when Tumosan first appeared in Ireland. It was one of the ones that looked like the old Fiats....

older by the day

Lawnseed wrote: »

The noise must have been unbearable to trade after 7hrs.
There has to be a way of dampering the noise. Or sound proofing that can be done.
If they are being imported into the EU there are laws that govern the noise you are exposed to.

Why did he not take it back to the dealer??
I'm sure they would want to sort this out

Trouble with the head gasket blown, not the tractors

148multi

selectamatic wrote: »

Belarus are a different kettle of fish to the companies that make fiat/mf replica's. They've a long history and have made some very decent tractors down through the years.

There's a man beside me that ran only Belarus in the last 20 years, he works them hard. Hopped in one but couldn't figure it out.

twin_beacon

I'd find it hard to believe it was traded in with 7 hours on the clock, just for the noise in the cab. Surely that was noticed when it was taken for a test drive. But to trade it against a new massey? Another 30k with the tumosan, why not just get the massey in the first place if he could afford it?

Barking Mad

Hi just wondering would anyone possibly have the PT0 pack assembly diagram for a 80 horse power tumosan tractor