Football Writers Association Player of the Year

SlickRic

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2134334/Robin-van-Persie-named-Football-Writers-Association-Player-Year.html

1. RVP
2. Wayne Rooney
3. Paul Scholes
4. Clint Dempsey

i admire Paul Scholes as much as the next man.

but if you're going to give a placing to Scholes for half a season, then give recognition to Ba, Cissé, Jelavic, Silva, Modric or someone.

i reckon they're trolling us all on purpose at this stage

LuckyLloyd

The ability of English football awards to get it wrong is quite impressive, really.

RVP is the player of the season though to be fair.

cgpg5

Scholes?? Great season but if he's included where is Cisse? Or Silva for that matter.

homerjay2005

cgpg5 wrote: »

Scholes?? Great season but if he's included where is Cisse? Or Silva for that matter.

scholes has had marginally better half-seasons thay they have had to be fair. silva has been largely poor since december, cisse only joined in late january.

Guy:Incognito

Is this done from the start of the season till the vote or a full calendar year? When was/is the voting?

cgpg5

homerjay2005 wrote: »

scholes has had marginally better half-seasons thay they have had to be fair. silva has been largely poor since december, cisse only joined in late january.

Gee Silva was immense in the first half of the season though. He was the best player in the league for that period imo. I suppose Scholes' selection can be justified by saying that he hasn't dropped off in form at all given that he wasn't playing at all for the first half

homerjay2005

cgpg5 wrote: »

Gee Silva was immense in the first half of the season though. He was the best player in the league for that period imo. I suppose Scholes' selection can be justified by saying that he hasn't dropped off in form at all given that he wasn't playing at all for the first half

city would have won the league in March had united not brought in scholes. the difference in quality of football and the associated improvement in form of alot of players, ties into when scholes came back.

even if united dont win the league, scholes transformed the season, which was turning into uniteds worst ever after the newcastle game.

SlickRic

nobody's arguing that Scholes hasn't been great.

there are just others that are more deserving in a lot of people's opinions, including mine.

Valencia's form post-Christmas should've given him a bigger shout than Scholes tbh.

nevermind a load of non-Utd players like the ones i mentioned earlier.

it just reeks of a media campaign to get Scholes back in the England squad for Euro 2012

PhlegmyMoses

Rooney and RVP have been better in the same position as Ba and Cisse. Silva has tailed off quite badly. Not surprised to see Scholes there at all but it has to be RVP. He's finally starting to tire but he has kept Arsenal in the hunt for 4th.

eagle eye

Lol @ Scholes being included there, I had to go an check the link to make sure the op wasn't trolling us. Scholes has a grand total of 12 starts(11 league) so far this season.

Orando Broom

Greatness in these awards is as much down to timing as actual greatness. They are a pure joke. No reason they can't be voted for at the end of year and awarded at a gala deal around the Community Shield weekend when all players are back with their clubs.

Orando Broom

homerjay2005 wrote: »

city would have won the league in March had united not brought in scholes. the difference in quality of football and the associated improvement in form of alot of players, ties into when scholes came back.

even if united dont win the league, scholes transformed the season, which was turning into uniteds worst ever after the newcastle game.

Misleading. City had to lose and drop games for United to take the lead. Scholes had nothing to do with City dropping points. The absence of Yaya would be a more accurate metric of why City went to crap.

If City stayed on course there would have been nothing Paul Scholes could have done to prevent them winning the title.

Let's see how great he is next Monday night. He'll get his chance then.

cgpg5

homerjay2005 wrote: »

city would have won the league in March had united not brought in scholes. the difference in quality of football and the associated improvement in form of alot of players, ties into when scholes came back.

even if united dont win the league, scholes transformed the season, which was turning into uniteds worst ever after the newcastle game.

Which would be mostly down to Silva imo.

I'm not trying to be smart but couldn't you argue that without Silva City wouldn't even be in a title winning position? They wouldn't have been top at Christmas anyway without him imo. He's had a huge influence. Granted Scholes has too to be fair but not as much

When on form this season, Silva has been better than Scholes, not taking anything away from Scholes though.

batistuta9

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Is this done from the start of the season till the vote or a full calendar year? When was/is the voting?

It's just for the current season, same as the PFA

voting would have been done recently enough, maybe at the awards or a day or two before

Raskolnikov

I would actually choose Rooney ahead of RVP. Has almost as many goals, but his workrate is just much higher and more than once this season he's pulled United through games.

Xavi6

Needs more Aguero. Has scored goals consistently (longest dry spell is three games) and played superbly over a longer period than both Scholes and Silva.

Beefy78

Orando Broom wrote: »

Misleading. City had to lose and drop games for United to take the lead. Scholes had nothing to do with City dropping points. The absence of Yaya would be a more accurate metric of why City went to crap.

If City stayed on course there would have been nothing Paul Scholes could have done to prevent them winning the title.

That's not quite true - United were on for a record points tally until they dropped points to Everton. Whilst City did have a slump, in most seasons they'd have had so much of a lead that it wouldn't have matter quite so much but this year United have been relentless and the argument would be that that has a fair bit to do with Scholes' return.

GavRedKing

Xavi6 wrote: »

Needs more Aguero. Has scored goals consistently (longest dry spell is three games) and played superbly over a longer period than both Scholes and Silva.

This, Aguero was the one player I wanted for Chelsea when A.Madrid we're selling him.

His transisation to the EPL has been remarkable.

joe123

Raskolnikov wrote: »

I would actually choose Rooney ahead of RVP. Has almost as many goals, but his workrate is just much higher and more than once this season he's pulled United through games.

lol

Gbear

Just the same as with Giggs I think Scholes was given a nod as a sort of "lifetime achievement award". Not really meant to be taken literally, I don't think.

CSF

Raskolnikov wrote: »

I would actually choose Rooney ahead of RVP. Has almost as many goals, but his workrate is just much higher and more than once this season he's pulled United through games.

United fan, yes?

batistuta9

Raskolnikov wrote: »

I would actually choose Rooney ahead of RVP. Has almost as many goals, but his workrate is just much higher and more than once this season he's pulled United through games.

:pac::pac::pac: what the hell do you think RVP's done the majority of the season at arsenal

Gbear wrote: »

Just the same as with Giggs I think Scholes was given a nod as a sort of "lifetime achievement award". Not really meant to be taken literally, I don't think.

i think there's a belief amongst them that scholes has had a major impact since coming back & is the reason they are at the top

Professional Griefer

batistuta9 wrote: »

i think there's a belief amongst them that scholes has had a major impact since coming back & is the reason they are at the top

He has. I'm not sure if you are questioning that, but just the way its worded, it seems like you don't believe it.

Can't argue with RVP at #1. Completely deserved.

Orando Broom

Beefy78 wrote: »

That's not quite true - United were on for a record points tally until they dropped points to Everton. Whilst City did have a slump, in most seasons they'd have had so much of a lead that it wouldn't have matter quite so much but this year United have been relentless and the argument would be that that has a fair bit to do with Scholes' return.

But the lead was still City's to lose, which they did. Scholes had nothing to do with that.

Had City not lost games their season total would have been record breaking, possibly United's second place would have been record breaking.

Scholes could only influence United's results and for the most part yes he did that. To say he is a factor in united going top is somewhat of a fallacy. The more accurate take on this scenario is that City capitulated and surrendered a lead to United.

Monday night Scholes gets his chance to influence proceedings as per yours and Homerjay's assertions.

batistuta9

Ix Deadmau5 wrote: »

He has. I'm not sure if you are questioning that, but just the way its worded, it seems like you don't believe it.

Can't argue with RVP at #1. Completely deserved.

no not really questioning it, but the post i replied to said they thought it was some "sort of lifetime achievement award" nod & i replied why it wasn't or why the majority of the voters of FWA seemed to vote that way

grohlisagod

Delighted Clint Dempsey has gotten some recognition for a superb season.

16 goals primarily from midfield in a mid-table side is a fantastic return. His all round performances have been excellent too in a Fulham side that play some of the best stuff in the league.

Beefy78

Orando Broom wrote: »

But the lead was still City's to lose, which they did. Scholes had nothing to do with that.

Had City not lost games their season total would have been record breaking, possibly United's second place would have been record breaking.

Scholes could only influence United's results and for the most part yes he did that. To say he is a factor in united going top is somewhat of a fallacy. The more accurate take on this scenario is that City capitulated and surrendered a lead to United.

Monday night Scholes gets his chance to influence proceedings as per yours and Homerjay's assertions.

But City didn't capitulate. They had a minor stumble which most years would barely have been noticed. But this year it allowed United to steamroller past them because they were in such relentless form.

City's final points total will likely be enough to have won it most seasons. That it might not is down to the brilliant efficiency of their main opponent. Whilst you're obviously correct that City could have still got more points than United, unless you're starting from the assumption that anything less than 38 wins from 38 games is a failure than all you can do is put the title win down to the successes of whichever side wins it rather than to the failure of whichever side doesn't.

The remarkable thing about this title race is that there's every chance that a seemingly ordinary side such as this United side is favourite to win it. The fact that could happen has people looking for an explanation and that is where the adulation of Scholes, rightly or wrongly, is coming from.

EuropeanSon

Raskolnikov wrote: »

I would actually choose Rooney ahead of RVP. Has almost as many goals, but his workrate is just much higher and more than once this season he's pulled United through games.

:pac::pac::pac:
Somebody has presumably only watched Utd games this season.
If there were a table excluding RVP's contribution I'd imagine Arsenal would be in well the bottom half. He was basically the only one who scored for a while. Add to that more than twice as many assists as Rooney has (11 to 5), and note that 6 (from 8 attempts) of Rooney's were penalties to only 2 (from 3) of RVP's, and that claim looks laughable.

Donnielighto

Orando Broom wrote: »

But the lead was still City's to lose, which they did. Scholes had nothing to do with that.

Had City not lost games their season total would have been record breaking, possibly United's second place would have been record breaking.

Scholes could only influence United's results and for the most part yes he did that. To say he is a factor in united going top is somewhat of a fallacy. The more accurate take on this scenario is that City capitulated and surrendered a lead to United.

Monday night Scholes gets his chance to influence proceedings as per yours and Homerjay's assertions.

Going by what you say here you could argue that the only reason united and city are top is because wolves have lost so many games this year, if they had won everything they'd be top

it isnt a fallacy to say scholes is a factor in united going top. Their result have improved since he came back and without that improvement united wouldn't be top. If anything is a fallacy it is that city are the reason united are top like you have implied. Any team is required to do its job and thats all they can do, they cant force teams to lose matches against the rest of the league.

Your argument doesnt make sense lad.

Dempsey

Scholes shouldn't have been nominated. RVP should win this also

Necronomicon

Van Persie just can't be argued with to be fair. With Arsenal's early season form they wouldn't have been within touching distance of Champion's League places without his goals. Rooney has had a really good season too - might even pip Van Persie to the golden boot - but RVP is peerless this season for what he has done for the Arsenal team.

grohlisagod

Dempsey wrote: »

Scholes shouldn't have been nominated. RVP should win this also

The award has already been given. The order in the OP is the order they finished.

Dempsey

grohlisagod wrote: »

The award has already been given. The order in the OP is the order they finished.

Oops, thought it was a shortlist.

Probably a ploy by the hacks to get Scholes to the Euros :rolleyes:

frank9901

scholes had 6 games played when the voting closed, pure media bias