I've never voted FF but this might swing me

drunkmonkey

Nice to see at least one party call it like it is.

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/ff-proposes-emergency-legislation-to-tackle-fuel-prices-548736.html?m=false

5 cent off fuel isnt much but at least its something.

randy hickey

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Nice to see at least one party call it like it is.

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/ff-proposes-emergency-legislation-to-tackle-fuel-prices-548736.html?m=false

5 cent off fuel isnt much but at least its something.

BERTIE, is that you?

I, for one, would prefer to keep this a MOTORING forum without party political broadcasts.

Our man in Havana

Enda and his friends will vote it down. 100% certain of that.

themadchef

drunkmonkey wrote: »

5 cent off fuel isnt much but at least its something.

If your vote (and there will be others) can be bought for 5 cents then this country is going backwards not forwards. Have yee learned anything?

Owen

First of all, I will never ever vote FF or Greens again. Although, I never voted for the Greens anyway, but that's besides the point :pac:

5c is nothing. Do we all forget that only 3/4 years ago it was 99c a litre?

MidlandsM

...the idea of voting for FF again just because they lobby to relax 5c of fuel........AFTER HOW THEY RUINED this great little country we call home..........


..............LAUGHABLE.

Indricotherium

randy hickey wrote: »

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Nice to see at least one party call it like it is.

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/ff-proposes-emergency-legislation-to-tackle-fuel-prices-548736.html?m=false

5 cent off fuel isnt much but at least its something.

BERTIE, is that you?

I, for one, would prefer to keep this a MOTORING forum without party political broadcasts.

This is a political issue that effects motoring.

28064212

themadchef wrote: »

If your vote (and there will be others) can be bought for 5 cents then this country is going backwards not forwards. Have yee learned anything?

^ This. ****ing hell, of course Fianna Fail are going to suggest something as populist-pleasing as a reduction in petrol, safe in the knowledge that they are never going to have to follow through. They were in power for 24 years in a row. Where was their reduction in fuel tax then?

tfitzgerald

5 cent isn't going to make that much of a difference . It's only going to take us back to the price of petrol a month ago and it was too dear then . The should knock 30 cents off

Owen

FF might aswell announce that they're building a marshmellow spaceship to Mars powered by liquified clones of John Gormley. They're never getting back into power. Good riddance.

randy hickey

Indricotherium wrote: »

This is a political issue that effects motoring.

Look at the thread title again.
To me it smacks of a thinly veiled attempt to whip up support for a particular political party.
If I want to read this sort of sh*te, I would go to Politics.ie. This, however, is a motoring forum.

johnos1984

FF brought it in along with the Greens.

Both of them can fuvk right off

Big Nasty

There's no good reason for fuel to be the price it is in comparison to the current cost of a barrel of oil.

How much as fuel gone up since Jan 1?
How much has the govt increased duty on fuel since Jan 1?
We are told garages mark-up is cq. 2.5%
Where has this increase gone so?

Someone is telling us porkies along the way...........

MuppetCheck

randy hickey wrote: »

Look at the thread title again.
To me it smacks of a thinly veiled attempt to whip up support for a particular political party.
If I want to read this sort of sh*te, I would go to Politics.ie. This, however, is a motoring forum.

Yes, boards.ie motoring forum is a renowned tool used for swinging the countrys political preferences.

unkel

Populist crap. I hope everybody realises we can not afford to cut any taxes unless serious money is saved elsewhere (i.e. public service wage bill)

smash

5c per litre... sure it'll probably be up another 20c by Christmas anyway. :rolleyes:

smash

smash wrote: »

5c per litre... sure it'll probably be up another 20c by Christmas anyway. :rolleyes:

It will be €2/L by the end of the year - so say the analysts.

Indricotherium

derekeire wrote: »

smash wrote: »

5c per litre... sure it'll probably be up another 20c by Christmas anyway. :rolleyes:

It will be €2/L by the end of the year - so say the analysts.

That's fairly lazy analysis "petrol will get more expensive"

Sure it's just another bubble waiting to burst. As soon as one of the car manufacturers bites the bullet and releases a usable car that doesn't need petrol/diesel pumped into it on a regular basis the whole thing will fall apart overnight.

Atlantic Dawn

I'd rather sell the car and buy a horse than give those corrupt thieving ba$tards a vote. There should be a broadcasting ban on all members of their party, they have destroyed this state while lining their and their mates pockets.

MugMugs

I'd love to know who you all think should be in instead of FF.... Current crowd are just as bad.... Who next?

Joey the lips

I will never vote fianna failure again and tbh even if they achieved this i would still not vote them.

The current crowd might be bad but i honestly think i would rather have anders brevick then fianna failure back in govt.

Any thing off would help though.

smash

Deleted User wrote: »

It will be €2/L by the end of the year - so say the analysts.

Exactly. 5c reduction is nothing. Sure that's just going back to last months price. It wont make it easier.

Tragedy

MCMLXXV wrote: »

There's no good reason for fuel to be the price it is in comparison to the current cost of a barrel of oil.

How much as fuel gone up since Jan 1?
How much has the govt increased duty on fuel since Jan 1?
We are told garages mark-up is cq. 2.5%
Where has this increase gone so?

Someone is telling us porkies along the way...........

http://www.oilnergy.com/1obrent.htm#6mo
http://oil-price.net/dashboard.php?lang=en (stick it on 1y for both)
http://www.ecb.int/stats/exchange/eurofxref/html/eurofxref-graph-usd.en.html
http://www.ecb.int/stats/exchange/eurofxref/html/eurofxref-graph-gbp.en.html

I trust this answers your question?

Berty

(1) Fine Fail agreed with other European Countries not to react to Oil Pricing and to make changes on a day to day basis
(2) The Current Government are going to stick to that because that is an agreement from a previous government
(3) More importantly Carbon pricing is increasing next month so anything we gain back today will go back up next month*

*Have folks not noticed prices at the pumps are falling right now? That is because they(oil companies) know that fuel will have to increase next month so they are keeping it artificially lower right now.

Swings and roundabouts.

Anyway who gives a rats ass what the opposition party say? They cannot get anything through the Dail that would adversly affect the majority in government.

MetzgerMeister

What about this whole thing about finding oil off the coast of Cork?

When will that project start and will it lower prices here at all regardless of where the nearest refinery is or will we be giving that oil to some other country whos prices will drop?

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

It will be €2/L by the end of the year - so say the analysts.

The Analysts are wrong me thinks
And I'll bump this around New Years Day too :pac:

Big Nasty

Tragedy wrote: »

http://www.oilnergy.com/1obrent.htm#6mo
http://oil-price.net/dashboard.php?lang=en (stick it on 1y for both)
http://www.ecb.int/stats/exchange/eurofxref/html/eurofxref-graph-usd.en.html
http://www.ecb.int/stats/exchange/eurofxref/html/eurofxref-graph-gbp.en.html

I trust this answers your question?

I didn't realise oil had gone up that much and never took the exchange rate in to consideration.:o

I didn't study the graphs in detail - do you think the rise in costs at the pump here are equally proportionate?

Our man in Havana

The thing is who is their left to choose from? Comrade Joe + Gerry and the gang?

It would be a sad day to see them running the country.

Tea 1000

They're all the same. What has changed since FG and L took over? More taxes to get us out of the mess that FF got us into, but not too many clever changes. We're now supposedly a Smart Economy, but we're cutting spend on education and even proposing sharing science labs between schools :rolleyes:. Crime always increases in hard times, so we're closing down Garda stations. And I seriously doubt that any party would have been too much different when all the money was pouring in over the 10 year boom period.
They're all scum! None of them think V8's are the way forward.

unkel

unkel wrote: »

Populist crap. I hope everybody realises we can not afford to cut any taxes unless serious money is saved elsewhere (i.e. public service wage bill)

This, it's great to bandy about cut the price of fuel but it's not so easy, the cash is needed unfortunately.

FF are an awful shower of gnomes, sure they brought in the USC, the fuel is f all compared to the effect that has on folks.

Big Nasty

MetzgerMeister wrote: »

What about this whole thing about finding oil off the coast of Cork?

When will that project start and will it lower prices here at all regardless of where the nearest refinery is or will we be giving that oil to some other country whos prices will drop?

I suspect it will be a number of years before that oil starts coming ashore.

corktina

Now you see the folly of voting out one shower just to elect another shower.

FF/FG? two sides of the same coin...we need another coin....

Stinicker

I'd happily pay €5/litre to ensure that those bunch of thieving gangsters masquerading as Fianna Fail never again get a say in how the country is ran. :mad::mad: They caused the mess and were happy to screw the motorist when 100,000's of paddy spec junkboxes were sold in the boom so Mehole can go bugger off if he thinks that this piece of populism will swing the sheep back towards him and his merry bunch of traitors and thieves.

Tragedy

MCMLXXV wrote: »

I didn't realise oil had gone up that much and never took the exchange rate in to consideration.:o

I didn't study the graphs in detail - do you think the rise in costs at the pump here are equally proportionate?

Yup, there was a thread on the Irish Economy forum that went into the figures in great detail. Unfortunately, the increase in fuel prices is solely due to
A)Carbon duties/tax/levy/whatever you call it by the government + VAT increase
and
B)Macroeconomic factors

Unfortunately, refineries and petrol stations aren't creaming money off the top.

Also, even if we started extracting and refining the exact amount of barrels per day to satisfy 100% of Irish demand, price wouldn't fall by even 1c.

corktina

LIGHTNING wrote: »

Maybe a dice perhaps :pac:

mmm one without FF or FG on any of the faces would do it...now who does that leave us with? Greens or SF I guess. We need more dice!

langdang

corktina wrote: »

mmm one without FF or FG on any of the faces would do it...now who does that leave us with? Greens or SF I guess. We need more dice!

The troika own all our dice

since the proposers of a 5c drop in petrol prices handed us over to them...

Big Nasty

Tragedy wrote: »

Also, even if we started extracting and refining the exact amount of barrels per day to satisfy 100% of Irish demand, price wouldn't fall by even 1c.

'Splain?

OssianSmyth

The last three FF budgets increased fuel excise duties
2009 Petrol +8c
2010 Petrol +4.2c Diesel +4.9c
2011 Petrol +4c Diesel +2c
======================
Total: Petrol +16.2c Diesel +6.9c

It's stretching credibility to expect that FF would cut fuel taxes in power when the deficit gap means they still have to find €8K/household in cuts and taxes.

Does anyone take this seriously?

India and China are growing fast, buying cars and fuel. Supply cannot keep up with demand so the pre-tax price will continue to rise with no end in sight.

Tragedy

MCMLXXV wrote: »

'Splain?

Ireland uses somewhere around 160,000 barrels per day. World production is around 88,000,000 barrels per day.

If Ireland starts extracting 160,000 barrels per day, it isn't going to have any effect on the price of oil worldwide.

Then, why would the company extracting the oil in Ireland sell it for any less than what oil sells for on the global market? They're throwing away potential profits which makes no business sense.

If we had the state extracting, refining and selling the oil, why would we have the state sell it to Irish people at a discount instead of selling it on the global market and using the proceeds to fund the exchequer?

Big Nasty

Tragedy wrote: »

Ireland uses somewhere around 160,000 barrels per day. World production is around 88,000,000 barrels per day.

If Ireland starts extracting 160,000 barrels per day, it isn't going to have any effect on the price of oil worldwide.

Then, why would the company extracting the oil in Ireland sell it for any less than what oil sells for on the global market? They're throwing away potential profits which makes no business sense.

If we had the state extracting, refining and selling the oil, why would we have the state sell it to Irish people at a discount instead of selling it on the global market and using the proceeds to fund the exchequer?

Understood and makes perfect sense but then again most countries with their own supply of oil have cheaper rates - no?

Reg'stoy

Considering we are running at a current 18,000 million euro annual deficit I doubt very much we will see any drop.

A 10% reduction in fuel spend by driving more economically equates to a 15c a litre saving on my diesel bill as we speak, if you get further for your buck would that not be a good place to start.

The thing about looking for a reduction in visible taxation is that invariably it is just hidden with quite often a top up straight away. The Spanish if I remember reduced speed limits in a effort to save money, not a popular suggestion on this forum I know . Personally speaking I'd like to see a reduction in the cost of public transport, it's not as bad as people make out particularly in Dublin where I used it for years my self.

The two above suggestions are more for the commuting and transport forum but a 5c reduction could be achieved ourselves by ammending our own driving styles.

ShadowHearth

Drop 5 cents now and put 15 more up later...

Honestly 5 cents won't save me at all. It's still going to be over 1.5eu.

If she really wants to please me, she better scrap the decking tax and add it to petrol price.

Big Nasty

Sure I got petrol @ €1.619 yesterday!

Tragedy

MCMLXXV wrote: »

Understood and makes perfect sense but then again most countries with their own supply of oil have cheaper rates - no?

Norway is an example of the latter. The Norwegian state is majority shareholder in StatoilHydro. The Norwegian state also generates added income from high tax rates on petrol/petroleum companies and licensing oil exploration.

It has what is essentially a pension fund worth almost $600,000,000,000 wholly derived from the above income - which equates to over $110,000 per person alive in Norway.

Norway has the highest(I think!) petrol/diesel prices in Europe.

Many countries in the world have fuel with no duty(which would immediately bring our petrol down to 95-97c per litre). Furthermore, many countries have lower or no VAT on fuel which would bring our petrol down to 78-80c per litre.

Very few countries offer subsidised fuel (where the fuel is sold for less than it would on the open market) and almost all of these have been trying desperately to cut the subsidies with varying results (usually widespread riots and quick government capitulation).

Big Nasty

Yeah, isn't it Venezuela or somewhere like that that fuel is cq. 30c / liter?

Run_to_da_hills

FF will go to any extremes to worm their way back into politics.

Victor Meldrew

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Nice to see at least one party call it like it is.

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/ff-proposes-emergency-legislation-to-tackle-fuel-prices-548736.html?m=false

5 cent off fuel isnt much but at least its something.

lets say you fill the tank of an average 50-60L capacity almost twice a week and buy 100L in total.

that is €5 per week, or €260 per year.

Lets say you earn the AIW of around €35K.

This would represent a 0.74% tax cut.

Now, How much has tax increased since FF wrecked the country. How much has the Universal social charge taken from our pay checks, how much has pension cuts (public sector) taken, What has happened to private health insurance since half the country is too skint to afford it.

El Inho

FF: bring down fuel
FG: no
THE PEOPLE: damn fg not bringing down our fuel...i want FF back.

FF back

FG Bring down fuel
FF no.

i love politics

Tragedy

MCMLXXV wrote: »

Yeah, isn't it Venezuela or somewhere like that that fuel is cq. 30c / liter?

Oh no, it's much worse than that. It's around 0.8c per litre. I.e, €0.008

smash

A woman on Matt Cooper yesterday evening hit the nail on the head.

Household charge
Increased motor tax
60% of fuel prices is tax
More tolls coming our way
Water charges coming

The average person gets totally screwed and 5c a litre is just not enough.

Idbatterim

Household charge
Increased motor tax
60% of fuel prices is tax
More tolls coming our way
Water charges coming

Look at the furore over the household and water charge, motorsits are such an easy target to hit and its much easier increasing existing taxes rather than creating new ones. Either way, im not going to give up my car for some econobox rubbish! so i just spend less on discretionary expenditure, mainly on drink and eating out... Either way, the quicker fuel prices increase, the quicker viable alternate technology will be introduced...