Israel’s chief of staff says covert operations on the rise

Brown Bomber

To all the people who whinge and moan about "anti-Israel" :rolleyes: threads here wake up and read this from the horses mouth:

Maj. Gen. Benny Gantz made the remarks Sunday in an interview published in Israel’s Yediot Ahronot daily.

“You almost won’t find a point in time where something isn’t happening somewhere in the world,” he said. “I am escalating all those special operations.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/israels-chief-of-staff-says-covert-operations-in-enemy-states-on-the-rise/2012/04/22/gIQAjrs4ZT_story.html

... and realise it's not anti-Israel it's paying attention to these "special operations" and making inferences based on actual events.

Run_to_da_hills

We can also expect their covert spectaculars within the banking sector just as we have seen with 9/11.The goal of the Jewish Masonic elite is to establish dictatorial Illuministic Communism and to enslave mankind.

hooradiation

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

We can also expect their covert spectaculars within the banking sector just as we have seen with 9/11.The goal of the Jewish Masonic elite is to establish dictatorial Illuministic Communism and to enslave mankind.

Well I wish they'd hurry up about it, seems like they've been at it since the dawn of time. You'd reckon they'd have it all taken care of by now....

Jonny7

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

We can also expect their covert spectaculars within the banking sector just as we have seen with 9/11.The goal of the Jewish Masonic elite is to establish dictatorial Illuministic Communism and to enslave mankind.

If you are being serious, you are saying certain Jews were responsible for 911 and want to enslave mankind? surely that's a bit far-fetched, mind if I ask, where you getting this info from?

Torakx

Research,research and more research!
There are tons of videos that are banned from television floating about online spanning mostly from the 70's to recent times on alot of CT topics and are fairly indepth.
But to get them you need to dig around alot.Use torrents and so forth.
Not to mention blogs and websites based on various reliable and unreliable resources.

My flatmates server atm has one i have still yet to see called "The Other Israel" if anyone here has seen it, i would love a brief summary before i watch it.

It would be worth your while checking out some videos, as asking for resources can be extremely time consuming to repsond to.
How does one get you the info placed inside one of these videos and give it to you directly?
It can be alot of work digging back through a video documentary cutting the parts out and uploading it again or searching online for the exact same evidence or theory in the video for example.

What RTDH has mentioned is not that much of a secret amongst the community though.
Im not that well read on the Israeli issues but im guessing its to do with a group within the jewish community possibly under the guise of jews.
Trying to destabilise the western world and use it as a tool for whatever plans they have.

Also has anyone seen that Louis Theroux where he goes to Israel and investigates the situation with palestine?
Some interesting things going on there.
There was a christian group from america there working on the field to help the ..motherland? or something.
They were picking grapes or some such work..but were not allowed to touch the mixing stage as they were not jewish and considered tainted.
Alot of interesting ideas floating about on this topic.Its so deep i am afraid to fall in lol

On a slightly related note.
I grew up in a religion that was christian but also had a zionist agenda snuck in the background.Alot of denial of christs blood during the passover and the founder had alot of zionist themes emanating from him.
This cult(as i call it) is a good example to me of jewish mentality spread to christians and starting up new religions in the states to spread.
This religion is quite well known and reasonably popular worldwide.They have a rep for being the nicest people you will meet and so i think it is one of the cleverest cons ever pulled.
Oh and of course the founder had links to freemasons haha..even mentioned them as brothers in a speech,maybe back in the 1920's or so.

chooochooo

You'll be first for the chop when the rapture kicks in.

Torakx

Wrong religion/cult..but still hilarious
But i guess i am an apostate now so i would be squished in the final battle lol

Jeboa Safari

Brown Bomber wrote: »

To all the people who whinge and moan about "anti-Israel" :rolleyes: threads here wake up and read this from the horses mouth:

You whinge and moan about the forum being unwelcoming and uncivil and then you open your post in that tone.

... and realise it's not anti-Israel it's paying attention to these "special operations" and making inferences based on actual events.

Nothing wrong with pointing out Israels wrongs, it should be encouraged. But you'd swear from the attention they get that they're the only nation on the planet carrying out special operations.

studiorat

I'm truly astounded the Brown Bomber actually believes the IDF chief of staff. That must be a first!!

Why would they say they are increasing covert operations if they actually were? It defeats the "covert" part of the operation. He said the scope of operations has increased, not will increase. And has increased with the level of risk. I'd suggest you read the actual interview or at least a wider analysis of it than six lines from the Washington Post.

If one looks at the actual interview in context and bearing in mind the closeness Israel's independence day. What's he gonna say? 'No, we're not doing anything!' He has a budget to justify and public support to try and hold on to. It's political posturing.

Gantz say's "In principle, we are ready to act." In principal they are ready alright. The practicality of it is they are not. Despite the media hype, none of the preparations that happened in Tel Aviv during during the Gulf War are happening. Israel is simply not as prepared as it was when Scud missiles were landing in Tel Aviv and Haifia. If they were seriously preparing for a war the "home-front" would be ready, fact is it's not.

Brown Bomber

studiorat wrote: »

I'd suggest you read the actual interview or at least a wider analysis of it than six lines from the Washington Post.

I'd suggest you read the definition of "escalating".

To increase, enlarge, or intensify http://www.thefreedictionary.com/escalating

And then re-read his statement with this in mind.

“You almost won’t find a point in time where something isn’t happening somewhere in the world,” he said. “I am escalating all those special operations.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...4ZT_story.html

Brown Bomber

Jeboa Safari wrote: »

You whinge and moan about the forum being unwelcoming and uncivil and then you open your post in that tone.



Nothing wrong with pointing out Israels wrongs, it should be encouraged. But you'd swear from the attention they get that they're the only nation on the planet carrying out special operations.

I just want you or anyone else from the the boards defamation league who only ever get upset when conspiracy theories are postulated involving Israel to have to remember this Israeli officials statements that they are, have been and will be increasing their involvements in international conspiracies rather than annoy me and taking threads off-topic for discussing possible conspiracies that they openly admit will be taking place.

studiorat

Brown Bomber wrote: »

I'd suggest you read the definition of "escalating".


And then re-read his statement with this in mind.

I don't need to. He was talking about IDF operations outside of the border. Below is a translation of the quote. As opposed to the paraphrase you read in the 6 lines you consider worthy of a thread in itself...

From the actual article :

During the interview, Gantz also addressed special operations carried out by the IDF beyond Israel’s borders, revealing that the scope of such activities has increased significantly compared to the past.

I wouldn't be so crass as to suggest anyone needs a dictionary to tell the difference between has and will...

From Gantz :

The level of risk has increased as well. This is not something invented by Benny Gantz. I’m not taking the credit here. I’m simply accelerating all those special operations."

So have you actually got an opinion on this Bomber? Do you believe him or not?

What's your motivation for sharing this latest scoop?

studiorat

Brown Bomber wrote: »

I just want you or anyone else from the the boards defamation league

From hysteria to ad hominem. Pure class..

Bomber seems more likely to get annoyed when people refuse to take sides when he chooses to use the forum his own personal soapbox.

It's like reading someone typing through a megaphone.

RoboClam

I'm going to nip this in the bud now before it escalates. Either stay on topic Studiorat or do not post

enfant terrible

Torakx wrote: »

Research,research and more research!
There are tons of videos that are banned from television floating about online spanning mostly from the 70's to recent times on alot of CT topics and are fairly indepth.
But to get them you need to dig around alot.Use torrents and so forth.
Not to mention blogs and websites based on various reliable and unreliable resources.

My flatmates server atm has one i have still yet to see called "The Other Israel" if anyone here has seen it, i would love a brief summary before i watch it.

It would be worth your while checking out some videos, as asking for resources can be extremely time consuming to repsond to.
How does one get you the info placed inside one of these videos and give it to you directly?
It can be alot of work digging back through a video documentary cutting the parts out and uploading it again or searching online for the exact same evidence or theory in the video for example.

What RTDH has mentioned is not that much of a secret amongst the community though.
Im not that well read on the Israeli issues but im guessing its to do with a group within the jewish community possibly under the guise of jews.
Trying to destabilise the western world and use it as a tool for whatever plans they have.

Also has anyone seen that Louis Theroux where he goes to Israel and investigates the situation with palestine?
Some interesting things going on there.
There was a christian group from america there working on the field to help the ..motherland? or something.
They were picking grapes or some such work..but were not allowed to touch the mixing stage as they were not jewish and considered tainted.
Alot of interesting ideas floating about on this topic.Its so deep i am afraid to fall in lol

On a slightly related note.
I grew up in a religion that was christian but also had a zionist agenda snuck in the background.Alot of denial of christs blood during the passover and the founder had alot of zionist themes emanating from him.
This cult(as i call it) is a good example to me of jewish mentality spread to christians and starting up new religions in the states to spread.
This religion is quite well known and reasonably popular worldwide.They have a rep for being the nicest people you will meet and so i think it is one of the cleverest cons ever pulled.
Oh and of course the founder had links to freemasons haha..even mentioned them as brothers in a speech,maybe back in the 1920's or so.

What's your point exactly, what do you think the jews are up to?

Brown Bomber

Brown Bomber wrote: »

I just want you or anyone else from the the boards defamation league who only ever get upset when conspiracy theories are postulated involving Israel to have to remember this Israeli officials statements that they are, have been and will be increasing their involvements in international conspiracies rather than annoy me and taking threads off-topic for discussing possible conspiracies that they openly admit will be taking place.

And speaking for the boards defamation league, we never denied that Israel gets up to some shady stuff.
We just don't buy your accusations which are based on your personal bias.
This article, even at the face value of the way you present it does not change the fact that the conspiracies you claim are not supported, or rational, or free from bias and propaganda.

And speaking of being selective, have you any comments on RtdH's or Torakx's comments which postulate stuff you don't believe and have an obvious undercurrent of anti-Semitism which you are adamant plays no role in forming your conspiracy theories?

enno99

King Mob wrote: »

And speaking for the boards defamation league, we never denied that Israel gets up to some shady stuff.
We just don't buy your accusations which are based on your personal bias.
This article, even at the face value of the way you present it does not change the fact that the conspiracies you claim are not supported, or rational, or free from bias and propaganda.

And speaking of being selective, have you any comments on RtdH's or Torakx's comments which postulate stuff you don't believe and have an obvious undercurrent of anti-Semitism which you are adamant plays no role in forming your conspiracy theories?

Ah here we go again its either.anit-semitic or anti-masonic anti this anti that

Tell you what I think it is its anti-quated oul claptrap that you guys resort to

To derail threads when you have f*ck all else to contribute and just want to attack the person who you disagree with

enno99

enno99 wrote: »

Ah here we go again its either.anit-semitic or anti-masonic anti this anti that

Tell you what I think it is its anti-quated oul claptrap that you guys resort to

To derail threads when you have f*ck all else to contribute and just want to attack the person who you disagree with

I take it that you've missed the irony in your own post just as you missed the point in mine?

Torakx

Ignore function is there for a reason.Its just a pity i can see when you guys quote him lol
Its kind of hard for me not to read text on a forum.
Im not against jews.
Im against conspiracies to control others,kill innocent,profit from others losses etc etc.
I happen to see a jewish element involved of course i would say.
Just like i say "CT'ers" can be just as closed minded and "mainstreamers"...it is how it is,simple as that to me.

Not our fault there appears to be a group within the jewish community instigating murder and chaos.
And its not like i think the pope is really a saint either.He just keeps his head down a lot better

studiorat

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Maj. Gen. Benny Gantz made the remarks Sunday in an interview published in Israel’s Yediot Ahronot daily.

The interview was published yesterday not Sunday. Still haven't found the full text though.

Be like Nutella

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

We can also expect their covert spectaculars within the banking sector just as we have seen with 9/11.The goal of the Jewish Masonic elite is to establish dictatorial Illuministic Communism and to enslave mankind.

I just love these mental comments, the world is a richer place for them. At least expand a bit man... don't leave us hangin. Even explain what a ahem... dictatorial Illuministic Communist world would/will look like?

Torakx

Isnt it self explanatory?
A world dictated by soceities originating from groups withing the jewish community a very long time ago.
Communist speaks for itself and ties in with enslaving mankind,as that model would ,to me anyway, work the best if complete control were a preference.
Democracy is great for control and all, but you still need to fake votes and put on plays for the sake of the masses.
I suspect if there is a nwo forming this would be one of the possibilities at a much later stage.

Jonny7

Torakx wrote: »

Isnt it self explanatory?
A world dictated by soceities originating from groups withing the jewish community a very long time ago.

Jews were really the last tribe from antiquity to survive in Europe, universally reviled they were forbidden to own fields, practice crafts, hold positions. They were only really allowed to trade, which they became good at, they took up money-lending and as a result the persecution and hatred just increased.

The suspicion, paranoia and jealousy continued for centuries, and still continues to this day. I lived in a Muslim community for a few years, have a few Muslim friends and colleagues - the old wives tales and theories I've heard about "the Jews" is, well, probably the kind of stuff you would've heard in 1930's Germany.

Communist speaks for itself and ties in with enslaving mankind,as that model would ,to me anyway, work the best if complete control were a preference.

Communism is a socialist system based on equal distribution of wealth - it's essentially very close to what many of the Occupy supporters were arguing should be in place instead of democracy. It just doesn't function very well in its pure form because we (individually and collectively) strive and thrive much better on competition and self-interest rather than "sharing".

Democracy is great for control and all, but you still need to fake votes and put on plays for the sake of the masses.
I suspect if there is a nwo forming this would be one of the possibilities at a much later stage.

Democracy isn't perfect, but its by far the best system. The "NWO" theories I've read about are extremely varied and based generally on suspicion, rathern than fact or even basic common sense/reason. The closest we have is the G20.

studiorat

Just came across a translation of some of the interview.

Wednesday, April 25, 2012
COS Gantz: Special operation overseas in high gear

One of the products of these war games is these special operations that were created in order to provide a solution to problems that were discovered…

COS Gantz: Special operation overseas in high gear

Dr. Aaron Lerner Date: 25 April, 2012

Translated from Independence Day interview of COS Gantz published on 25
April 2012 in Yediot Ahronot:

“This [special operations] is not the invention of Benny Gantz. I don’t
take the credit. I am simply increasing the special operations. We don’t
have the luxury to wait for the war. We are preparing for the war today so
that it will be easier when it takes place.

These special operations are geared to minimize dangers in the future or
give us an advantage in operational achievements in the future.

This year we carried out a number of war games in order to advance the
ability of the IDF to give decisive victories. One of the products of these
war games is these special operations that were created in order to provide
a solution to problems that were discovered…

I don’t think that you can find a point in time when something isn’t
happening somewhere in the world. The level of danger has also increased.”

Now we have the WT article and Bombers "Covert Operations"

“You almost won’t find a point in time where something isn’t happening somewhere in the world,” he said. “I am escalating all those special operations.”

Gantz did not identify any of the countries or give any further details.

Just shows you what happens when you trust the mainstream media:rolleyes:

I'm wondering at this stage are these "Special Operations" on the increase just exercises.

Torakx

Just to clarify when i say communism is a good way to control a large group.I mean the framework that is used for distribution of resources.
Its more organised and easier to keep control.
The supposed ideology behind it may not be the same,but i never saw it as being aimed that way when i read about communist Russia for example(of which i addmitedly do not know a whole lot about,im rusty on that subject).

Brown Bomber

studiorat wrote: »

Just came across a translation of some of the interview.

Now we have the WT article and Bombers "Covert Operations"

Just shows you what happens when you trust the mainstream media:rolleyes:

I'm wondering at this stage are these "Special Operations" on the increase just exercises.

Not that I trust your unverified supposed translation you again need to pay attention to the details i.e. the words used.

Read again the statement (with the definition linked if necessary) and you'll hopefully realise that Gantz is not saying that any war games and "special operations" are the same thing but that "special operations" have been devised as a result of the war games that have taken place.

his year we carried out a number of war games in order to advance the
ability of the IDF to give decisive victories. One of the products of these
war games is these special operations that were created in order to provide
a solution to problems that were discovered…

=====================================================
If you really want a reliable source for a translation for the story then forget obscure websites. This is as good as it gets unless you can speak Hebrew.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4219190,00.html

Brown Bomber

King Mob wrote: »

And speaking for the boards defamation league, we never denied that Israel gets up to some shady stuff.
We just don't buy your accusations which are based on your personal bias.
This article, even at the face value of the way you present it does not change the fact that the conspiracies you claim are not supported, or rational, or free from bias and propaganda.

And speaking of being selective, have you any comments on RtdH's or Torakx's comments which postulate stuff you don't believe and have an obvious undercurrent of anti-Semitism which you are adamant plays no role in forming your conspiracy theories?

By all means establish my supposed bias by refuting the merits or lack thereof of my arguments. I'd welcome that, I'm here for discussion, but not to be abused. So if you can't handle that, and I'm not asking for blood here, don't bother responding to anything I post and I'll return the favour.

Brown Bomber

Brown Bomber wrote: »

By all means establish my supposed bias by refuting the merits or lack thereof of my arguments. I'd welcome that, I'm here for discussion, but not to be abused. So if you can't handle that, and I'm not asking for blood here, don't bother responding to anything I post and I'll return the favour.

And I did make a point which you didn't address.

I stated that even if we accept your interpretation of the statement to be true, it still does not give credence to your other anti-Israeli claims.
We, of the board defamation league, do not deny that Israel do not get up to shady operations. We just typically point out when you claims are unsupported.
Even if this guy was admitting to what you claim he does, this does not necessarily mean you claims are therefore true or more likely.

Similarly, if we pointed to examples of conspiracy theories dreamed up because of the author's anti-Semitism, you wouldn't accept it as support that your claims are based on the same.

studiorat

Bomber. That link was published before the actual interview was published. Look at the date...

IrelandSpirit

Just dropping to quickly say hi, and to wish you all well, and really I wish I had more time these days for engaging with you guys, miss you all -- a lot!

As regards the topic of Jews, listen, it's a religion -- there are white, black, asian, and the whole spectrum of humanity in the Jewish religion because it is a religion -- not a 'race' or tribe/family, it is a religion. Sure, there was even a man down in Cork who became a Jew a few years back, and so what? Each to their own, hurt none.

As regards 'Israel', in its present form, it is little more than a strategic military base under the guise of a 'nation/country', the dominant controlling political/military force in the Middle East and of course, covert operations on the rise! We're in the end game, WW3! Started way back, back before 9/11 and Iraq -- because in truth WW2 never really ended. No accident the creation of the Israeli State came in full swing in 47/48. Why else give a persecuted minority religion somebody else's country to settle in (colonise), and arm them to the fukcing teeth? Think about it.

walnut grove

Well the State of Israel has the right to defend itself and nipping things in the bud before anything starts is fine by me.

IrelandSpirit

walnut grove wrote: »

Well the State of Israel has the right to defend itself and nipping things in the bud before anything starts is fine by me.

Well yeah, everyone has the right to defend themselves, in the manner in which they are attacked. So please explain 'nipping things in the bud', who's attacking the State of Israel? Do you perhaps mean the Palestinians, the indigenous population upon which Israel is (brutally and illegally) founded? Because they have every right (and duty) to defend themselves, any way they can. Or do you mean the Iranians, who haven't so much as thrown a stone at Israel? Or who, what do you mean?

studiorat

IrelandSpirit wrote: »

... in truth WW2 never really ended. No accident the creation of the Israeli State came in full swing in 47/48. Why else give a persecuted minority religion somebody else's country to settle in (colonise), and arm them to the fukcing teeth? Think about it.

It was the Ottoman Empire's country (Caliphate actually) for about 400 years. Then the British after the Ottomans fell after WW1. There's ever been an independent country of Palestine. Not as far as I can see.

So why didn't the Arab's settle for the two state solution in '47?

Abbas - Rejecting the '47 partition was a mistake.

Leaving aside the Israeli government's policies just for one moment and consider the actual people who live there. What's the opinions on whether the country be allowed exist at all?

Is the majority for a two state solution or is it "River to the Sea" ?

Monty Burnz

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

We can also expect their covert spectaculars within the banking sector just as we have seen with 9/11.The goal of the Jewish Masonic elite is to establish dictatorial Illuministic Communism and to enslave mankind.

I actually feel sorry for BB trying to make a serious point when this type of stuff is posted 'in support' of his position...

Torakx

lol ye maybe.
But i have many nay sayers on ignore and its probably better to take each for their words alone

IrelandSpirit

studiorat wrote: »

It was the Ottoman Empire's country (Caliphate actually) for about 400 years. Then the British after the Ottomans fell after WW1. There's ever been an independent country of Palestine. Not as far as I can see.

So why didn't the Arab's settle for the two state solution in '47?

Abbas - Rejecting the '47 partition was a mistake.

Leaving aside the Israeli government's policies just for one moment and consider the actual people who live there. What's the opinions on whether the country be allowed exist at all?

Is the majority for a two state solution or is it "River to the Sea" ?

Do you not think that an indigenous people of a land should have the right to auto-determination?

Put it this way, should Ireland be allowed to exist? Ireland too was someone else's country and for double that time, for over 800 years, and was also ruled by the British Empire, so by your argument Ireland too doesn't have the right to exist?

Answer that for yourself, and perhaps you'll have the answer as to whether Palestine should be 'allowed to exist.'

paddyandy

For such a tiny population on the earth they sure do get a reputation .If only it were true and i say that because they do things so well .A lot of your
computer technology originated in Israel .

studiorat

IrelandSpirit wrote: »

Do you not think that an indigenous people of a land should have the right to auto-determination?

Put it this way, should Ireland be allowed to exist? Ireland too was someone else's country and for double that time, for over 800 years, and was also ruled by the British Empire, so by your argument Ireland too doesn't have the right to exist?

Answer that for yourself, and perhaps you'll have the answer as to whether Palestine should be 'allowed to exist.'

It's not as simple as that. Indigenity does not guarantee a right to self determination since the "indigenous" people were a mixture of many traditions, Christian, Druze as well as Arab and Jewish. The data to support your argument just isn't there.

No accurate information exists because the Ottoman empire didn't take censuses. Lowest estimates claim there were about 410,000 Arab Muslims and Christians in Palestine in 1893. A Zionist estimate claimed there were over 600,000 Arabs in Palestine. Just for kick's; Joan Peters reckoned it was 100,000!!

It would be wrong to say that Palestine was an empty land. But Zionist settlement between 1880 and 1948 did not displace or dispossess Palestinians. There was still Arab immigration into Palestine in this period. Even Finkelstein writes of increases of Palestinian Arab population occurred close to Jewish population centers in Palestine during the 19th C. Furthermore the economic situation of Palestinian Arabs improved under the British Mandate relative to surrounding countries.

Pan-Arabism, religion and local loyalties formed the Palestinian identity and Zionism sharpened it. Even the concept of Arab nationalism in the Arab provinces of the Ottoman Empire, "had not reached significant proportions before the outbreak of World War I."

To quote the historian Rashid Khalidi "local patriotism could not yet be described as nation-state nationalism."

Ireland accepted their partition. And don't forget that Egypt, Jordan and Syria got their slice of Palestine after 1948 war. The PLO's original mandate didn't even try and exercise any territorial sovereignty over Egypt controlling the West Bank or Gaza being annexed by Jordan.

Brown Bomber

paddyandy wrote: »

For such a tiny population on the earth they sure do get a reputation .If only it were true and i say that because they do things so well .A lot of your
computer technology originated in Israel .

So they should be permitted to asassinate (by proxy) an Iranian scientist, a civilian scientist, by shooting him in the kneck outside his young childs school?

Brown Bomber

studiorat wrote: »

But Zionist settlement between 1880 and 1948 did not displace or dispossess Palestinians.

Do you actually believe that rubbish?

The sad thing is I bet not a single person even considered reporting your denial of ethnic cleansing.

If the shoe was on the other foot...

studiorat

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Do you actually believe that rubbish?

The sad thing is I bet not a single person even considered reporting your denial of ethnic cleansing.

If the shoe was on the other foot...

A false and baseless accusation. Report away, I dare you.

Up until the Palestinian land laws in 1948 yes, I do. Unfortunately most of the land was purchased from absentee landlords, rich families in Beruit and Damascus and the like. The Jewish settlers who bought the land from them actually needed the arab agricultural laborers who lived on and cultivated the land to stay. Ben Gurion considered them an asset to the land.

Have you any proof of ethnic cleansing before the inception of the state?
Or is this just more horse**** polemic.