Rock, Metal and Chart Music from a Christian Prospective.

Run_to_da_hills

This subject come up a few times in forums and Churches and can be quite interesting. As a former Metal & Rock DJ for motorcycle clubs (Profile title) I would have quite a knowledge of it.

I had collections from various groups such as Metallica, Iron Maiden, Alice Cooper, Black Sabbath, Wasp, Led Zeppelin, Slayer, Slipknot, Ramstein, Stones, Floyd and more.

I once played a compilation of Black Sabbath. (Ozzy Ozbourne) Judas Priest and the Stones at a bikers funeral.

For those that are interested in the subject I must say that the worse offenders are not the blatant satanic artists but instead those that discretely creep right up into the charts with their God hating lyrics.

This large poster is currently displayed on a wall at HMV Grafton St promoting Patty Smyth's 1975 Horses

prinz

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I had collections from various groups such as Metallica, Iron Maiden, Alice Cooper, Black Sabbath, Wasp, Led Zeppelin, Slayer, Slipknot, Ramstein, Stones, Floyd and more.

I wanted to go see Rammstein in concert in Dublin there a while back but didn't get to it.:pac: Sounds like a good music collection to me.

Tbh I don't mind people putting their anger with God or religion into lyrics/music. I have more of a problem with the more modern day artists who take crap situations and essentially try to glamourise them and then aim it at young teens.

Run_to_da_hills

prinz wrote: »

I wanted to go see Rammstein in concert in Dublin there a while back but didn't get to it.:pac: Sounds like a good music collection to me.

Tbh I don't mind people putting their anger with God or religion into lyrics/music. I have more of a problem with the more modern day artists who take crap situations and essentially try to glamourise them and then aim it at young teens.

Never saw them live, they backed Metallica in Dublin a few years back and I heard were better than them. My favourite was their Mutter album. At least their Lyrics were in German.

Doc Farrell

As a huge fan of radio nova I would have to say that rock music is not of the devil but that x factor and celebrities on ice is definitely satanic. I believe Dante specifically mentions simon cowell actually. If Robert Plant ever does a duet with anyone played on 98fm or fm104 run for the hills, as it's the final sign of the Apocolypse!
Infantile melodies with sexualised language like Kathy perry and the like embarrasses even Satan.

Run_to_da_hills

Doc Farrell wrote: »

As a huge fan of radio nova I would have to say that rock music is not of the devil but that x factor and celebrities on ice is definitely satanic. I believe Dante specifically mentions simon cowell actually. If Robert Plant ever does a duet with anyone played on 98fm or fm104 run for the hills, as it's the final sign of the Apocolypse!
Infantile melodies with sexualised language like Kathy perry and the like embarrasses even Satan.

Led Zeppelin is Satanic to the core, Robert plant has always idolized and promoted Alistair Cowley

Guitar_Monkey

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Led Zeppelin is Satanic to the core, Robert plant has always idolized and promoted Alistair Cowley

I think you'll find it was Jimmy Page that had a thing for Crowley. He even lived in his old house for a while. Dosn't make Zep a Satanic band though.

Run_to_da_hills

Guitar_Monkey wrote: »

I think you'll find it was Jimmy Page that had a thing for Crowley. He even lived in his old house for a while. Dosn't make Zep a Satanic band though.

Just break down the lyrics in many of led Zeppelins soundtracks tracks.

Stairway to heaven is said to contain back masking of subliminal messages.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJ5k_umJfQY

Doc Farrell

Nobody in the band or the studios believes this stuff so I have to ask, do you? You are of course entitled to believe anything you want, I'm just curious as to why you do?
Normally these theories tie in with international illuminati theories which give structure and meaning to the greed and grief in the world for some.

Benny_Cake

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

For those that are interested in the subject I must say that the worse offenders are not the blatant satanic artists but instead those that discretely creep right up into the charts with their God hating lyrics.

This large poster is currently displayed on a wall at HMV Grafton St promoting Patty Smyth's 1975 Horses

Patti Smith was brought up in a strict Jehovah's Witness family, and undoubtedly she had a lot of anger and pain towards religion which probably stemmed from that. Music is the language of the soul after all, and the best music always reflects the emotions and experiences of the performer, whether they be positive or negative. As Doc said, the only truly "Satanic" music is the manufactured, TV reality show variety. And Irish country music of course.

Run_to_da_hills

Doc Farrell wrote: »

Nobody in the band or the studios believes this stuff so I have to ask, do you? You are of course entitled to believe anything you want, I'm just curious as to why you do?
Normally these theories tie in with international illuminati theories which give structure and meaning to the greed and grief in the world for some.

That's why I left an example of the track so people can draw their own conclusions.

Of course bands and promoters would deny such, the last thing wanted would be the same kind of backlash as what happened with the Beatles which was relatively fresh in the minds of people at the time.

Zombrex

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

This large poster is currently displayed on a wall at HMV Grafton St promoting Patty Smyth's 1975 Horses

That line is in relation to the guilt Smith was raised with by her JW community, and her later rejection of that guilt. She said in an interview that she did not want Jesus taking responsibility for her wrong doings, they were hers.

You can hardly object to people not wanting to be Christian?

People, a lot of people, misconstrued, for instance, the statement "Jesus died for somebody's sins but not mine." People constantly came up to me and said "you're an atheist, you don't believe in Jesus," and I said "obviously I believe in him," I've stated, y'know, I've made a statement y'know, which, y'know, I'm, I'm saying that, y'know, that the concept of Jesus, I believe in, I just wanted the freedom, I wanted to be free of him. I was 20 years old and I, when I wrote that, and I, I, it was sort my youthful manifesto. In other words I didn't want to, I guess, I didn't want to be good, y'know, and I didn't want to, but I didn't want him to have to worry about me, or I didn't want him taking responsibility for my wrongdoings, or my youthful explorations. I wanted to be free. So it's really a statement about freedom.

Doc Farrell

I suspect it's a great waste of time to read into what a musician is saying or not saying or saying backwards on an eight track. Unless Jedward publish a book on the Desert Fathers it's unlikely I'll be able to take more than four seconds of their sound. If a song has real spirit and melody it's likely that I'll like it providing it's not about infanticide or middle east genocide.
As regards the patty smith quote I think it's a prophetic warning to do with Kathy perry. I'm going to record it and see if her name appears if I play it backwards!

prinz

Doc Farrell wrote: »

As regards the patty smith quote I think it's a prophetic warning to do with Kathy perry. I'm going to record it and see if her name appears if I play it backwards!

Katy Perry the girl kissing piece of bubble-gum or Katy Hudson the Christian music singer? :pac:

scriba

Doc Farrell wrote: »

Unless Jedward publish a book on the Desert Fathers...

This made me spit my tea out! Apophthegmata Jedward.

Manach

On topic, there is also modern music which gives an underpining of prayful spiritualy and is also a decent tune, ( whilst listening to "I Say a Little Prayer" in the background ).

Off topic, Rammstein are an acquired taste more a fan of another German group "E Nomine"

Monty Burnz

Doc Farrell wrote: »

As a huge fan of radio nova I would have to say that rock music is not of the devil but that x factor and celebrities on ice is definitely satanic. I believe Dante specifically mentions simon cowell actually. If Robert Plant ever does a duet with anyone played on 98fm or fm104 run for the hills, as it's the final sign of the Apocolypse!

How about Alison Krauss?

Run_to_da_hills

Manach wrote: »

On topic, there is also modern music which gives an underpining of prayful spiritualy and is also a decent tune, ( whilst listening to "I Say a Little Prayer" in the background ).

Off topic, Rammstein are an acquired taste more a fan of another German group "E Nomine"

Like Ramstein lyrics in German if they are anything like playing Somme or Links is enough in itself to cause a riot. .

Die Prophezeiung / prophecy album cover uses the pentagon This symbol which comes from the Rams Head / Eastern Star is used by a heap of artists including the Stones, (Goats Head soup) Ozzy.





http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Wicca%20&%20Witchcraft/occult_signs_and_symbols.htm

Doc Farrell

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Doc Farrell wrote: »

As a huge fan of radio nova I would have to say that rock music is not of the devil but that x factor and celebrities on ice is definitely satanic. I believe Dante specifically mentions simon cowell actually. If Robert Plant ever does a duet with anyone played on 98fm or fm104 run for the hills, as it's the final sign of the Apocolypse!

How about Alison Krauss?

Great talent but we're still safe as she will never be played on 98fm or fm104. I know this for a fact as the mechanics I work with switch over from nova to the bubblegum garbage when I'm not around.
I'm fairly sure that some Irish country videos I saw in th4 this week had subliminal messages telling me to kill my work colleagues. Next weeks show is coming from Carlow, I'm not kidding, the videos are spectacular!

Doc Farrell

What would you make of the argument rtth that bands only use satanic imagery as an adolescent rebellion against the bourgeois norms of western society but that they aren't actually satanic in the sense that the waffen ss say was satanic, ie the band members wouldnt kill you if you didn't hail them as conquering heroes?

I find satanism quite difficult to take seriously because if you believe in Satan then you have to believe in his first boss. Talk about backing the wrong horse. Satanism seems to be about reacting against overbearing fundamentalist teaching in the community and as an excuse to experiment with sex and drugs then an actual worshipping system of belief.

Run_to_da_hills

Doc Farrell wrote: »

What would you make of the argument rtth that bands only use satanic imagery as an adolescent rebellion against the bourgeois norms of western society but that they aren't actually satanic in the sense that the waffen ss say was satanic, ie the band members wouldnt kill you if you didn't hail them as conquering heroes?

I find satanism quite difficult to take seriously because if you believe in Satan then you have to believe in his first boss. Talk about backing the wrong horse. Satanism seems to be about reacting against overbearing fundamentalist teaching in the community and as an excuse to experiment with sex and drugs then an actual worshipping system of belief.

Tale a look at this video, about half way through it goes into detail on Metal and would explain quite a bit about how some of these artists portray themselves. The occult symbolism used on the some of the artwork on album covers would give me a good guess what to expect in the lyrics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCyJG7LyvrE

Sonics2k

Doc Farrell wrote: »

I find satanism quite difficult to take seriously because if you believe in Satan then you have to believe in his first boss. Talk about backing the wrong horse.

Completely off-topic here, but that has always baffled me as well. Even in my teens when I'd here people I knew talking about such things I was amazed at just how idiotic it sounded.

I still remember hearing one girl saying:
Girl: "If Satan and God got in a fight, Satan would win because he's evil and would cheat."
Me: "Do you believe in God?"
Girl: "Not really, no. I think it's all nonsense."
Me: "But you believe in the Devil?"
Girl: "Well yes, obviously."
(She was one of these self proclaimed Satanist emo-goths)
Me: "That's complete nonsense you know, you can't have one without the other, especially in this context. God is supposed to be an infallible, all-powerful being, so he'd know if Satan would cheat. Y'know, that or just click his fingers and wipe him out. Stop being stupid."

At that point she got annoyed and walked off calling me names.

Doc Farrell

Clearly your disappointment over being rejected sexually by the satanic emo goth has deepened into a full rejection of all religious systems. If you hadn't have mocked her you could be the pope of black satanists by now.
I read some work by Jungian influenced priests on demons and devils recently, I'll try to find the stuff. As an atheist you cannot believe in any supernatural entity such as ghosts or demons and it is certainly a subject which is out of favor in the Catholic church but it is one that is about to make a big comeback fairly soon, my sleepy instincts tell me.

Guitar_Monkey

Most Satanic imagery or satanic lyrics in metal is just for show. It is in effect cartoon Satanism......or seeking an effect akin to that of horror movie. Is Chistopher Lee really Dracula ?? Is Sam Raimi's Evil Dead a documentary about demonic possession ? No....it's fantasy. Just like most heavy metal Satanism.
Of course, there are bands who are serious. But these would be in a very small minority. Then there are bands who are anti organised religion. Some of these use the Satanic schtick....but they're not really Satanists.
I myself am a Christian and have been a metal fan since my early teens. You tend to get to know who is for real and who isn't. There are bands that i won't listen to anymore....not all of them are really Satanic, I just think some of them go a bit far with their lyrics...and i'm not cool with it.
On the flip side...there are lots of great Christian metal band sout there which i'm enjoying discovering !

Run_to_da_hills

Guitar_Monkey wrote: »

Most Satanic imagery or satanic lyrics in metal is just for show. It is in effect cartoon Satanism......or seeking an effect akin to that of horror movie. Is Chistopher Lee really Dracula ?? Is Sam Raimi's Evil Dead a documentary about demonic possession ? No....it's fantasy. Just like most heavy metal Satanism.

More a sales pitch.

Lyrics of The Conjuring by Megadeath sums up he message of a lot of metal tracks.

"I am the devils advocate a salesman,
if you will Come join me in my infernal debts
I've got your soul!"

At the end of the song they chant "OBEY"

Guitar_Monkey wrote: »

Of course, there are bands who are serious. But these would be in a very small minority.

You would be very surprised. Bruce Dickinson and Dave Mustaine even claim to be Christian, How could they with the albums they are still churning out albums with blatant occult themes and messages.

Mustaines last album its called End Games, based on "The New World Order". The Album cover even shows FEMA coffins and Illuminati symbolism,



Iron Maiden are supposed to be coming out with a "Christian" album at the end of this year, this should be interesting.

Guitar_Monkey wrote: »

Then there are bands who are anti organised religion. Some of these use the Satanic schtick....but they're not really Satanists.

As I mentioned before the use the anti religion theme will sell albums because artists and producers know that most people hate religion and God at that.

Guitar_Monkey wrote: »

I myself am a Christian and have been a metal fan since my early teens. You tend to get to know who is for real and who isn't. There are bands that i won't listen to anymore....not all of them are really Satanic, I just think some of them go a bit far with their lyrics...and i'm not cool with it.
On the flip side...there are lots of great Christian metal band sout there which i'm enjoying discovering !

I find there is very little out there in Metal for Christians, It goes without saying that the Devil has got all the music, and it can also be proved when one looks at the 27 club and the hall of shame of all those that died an an early age of drug overdoses, alcohol abuses etc.

Benny_Cake

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

More a sales pitch.

Lyrics of The Conjuring by Megadeath sums up he message of a lot of metal tracks.

"I am the devils advocate a salesman,
if you will Come join me in my infernal debts
I've got your soul!"

At the end of the song they chant "OBEY"

You would be very surprised. Bruce Dickinson and Dave Mustaine even claim to be Christian, How could they with the albums they are still churning out albums with blatant occult themes and messages.

Mustaines last album its called End Games, based on "The New World Order". The Album cover even shows FEMA coffins and Illuminati symbolism,



Iron Maiden are supposed to be coming out with a "Christian" album at the end of this year, this should be interesting.


As I mentioned before the use the anti religion theme will sell albums because artists and producers know that most people hate religion and God at that.

I find there is very little out there in Metal for Christians, It goes without saying that the Devil has got all the music, and it can also be proved when one looks at the 27 club and the hall of shame of all those that died an an early age of drug overdoses, alcohol abuses etc.

I've said it before, but you really seem determined to twist Christianity around some pretty wacky conspiracy theories. Musicians have little room for artistic licence if you're going to see Satan hiding around every corner. In other words, I think you need to lighten up.

Run_to_da_hills

Benny_Cake wrote: »

I've said it before, but you really seem determined to twist Christianity around some pretty wacky conspiracy theories. Musicians have little room for artistic licence if you're going to see Satan hiding around every corner. In other words, I think you need to lighten up.

The thread is about Rock and Metal from a Christian prospective, and yes I would agree with you that the choice of music is very very small for any believing Christian. A lot of fundamentalists and communities such as Amish and Calvanists don't even tolerate it all even the mild stuff.

Re Dave Mustaine's interview with Alex Jones.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGqeQngJ1-c

Guitar_Monkey

Benny_Cake wrote: »

I've said it before, but you really seem determined to twist Christianity around some pretty wacky conspiracy theories. Musicians have little room for artistic licence if you're going to see Satan hiding around every corner. In other words, I think you need to lighten up.

Totally agree with the above !
As for Dave Mustaine, he became a born again Christian fairly recently. The Conjuring is from the Peace Sells....album, which was released way back in the 80s. He's openly admitted that he used to dabble in witchcraft, but is totally against it now. he even refused to play on the same bill as Rotting Christ a few years ago. I think there was a period when he wouldn't even play The Conjuring live. The bass player in Megadeth is studying to be a pastor. You really are barking up the wrong tree.
Same goes for Maiden. If you think they're Satanic then you really have a screw loose.
Oh, and if you think there's no good Christian metal....then you just don't know where to look !

Run_to_da_hills

Guitar_Monkey wrote: »

Totally agree with the above !
As for Dave Mustaine, he became a born again Christian fairly recently. The Conjuring is from the Peace Sells....album, which was released way back in the 80s. He's openly admitted that he used to dabble in witchcraft, but is totally against it now. he even refused to play on the same bill as Rotting Christ a few years ago. I think there was a period when he wouldn't even play The Conjuring live. The bass player in Megadeth is studying to be a pastor. You really are barking up the wrong tree.
Same goes for Maiden. If you think they're Satanic then you really have a screw loose.
Oh, and if you think there's no good Christian metal....then you just don't know where to look !

You tell me the Album cover design from Maidens Latest album the Final Frontier is "Christian".




If Dickinson and Dave Mustaine professed Christians they would have to draw the line.

Sonics2k

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

You tell me the Album cover design from Maidens Latest album the Final Frontier is "Christian".




If Dickinson and Dave Mustaine professed Christians they would have to draw the line.

Wait, you think because of the Artwork they have on the cover of an album determines his Christianity?

I hope you don't decide to read up on Head.

Run_to_da_hills

Sonics2k wrote: »

Wait, you think because of the Artwork they have on the cover of an album determines his Christianity?

I hope you don't decide to read up on Head.

Very much so, the thoughts that were put into the artwork on that cover are definitely not from above, would you find it on a church wall.

Doc Farrell

Perhaps on a medieval wall! What a great cover! A mix of Predator, star trek and horror. If I remember correctly the goblin heads on church walls come from pagan ideas that ugly trolls keep demons and angry spirits away from the holy people seeking sanctuary inside?
Personally I love ghost stories, one of my favorite writers, M R James was a very respected scholar. I guess my point is that we enjoy dipping into the dark side in order to enjoy the sun more, I can't wait to see the new Batman movie, but I wouldnt want to live in it!
I'm really starting to enjoy run to the hills theories.
The only religious writing I hate it the fake piety type, it's always a cover for raging dishonesty, like that creepy guy who ran the legionnaires of christ and destroyed everyone around him.

Sonics2k

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Very much so, the thoughts that were put into the artwork on that cover are definitely not from above, would you find it on a church wall.

Well I'm sorry, but that's just plain nonsense.

Who says you have to like or use a certain kind of artwork to be more religious than someone else?

I've read some silly things in my time, but that's impressive.

Run_to_da_hills

Doc Farrell wrote: »

Perhaps on a medieval wall! What a great cover! A mix of Predator, star trek and horror. If I remember correctly the goblin heads on church walls come from pagan ideas that ugly trolls keep demons and angry spirits away from the holy people seeking sanctuary inside?
Personally I love ghost stories, one of my favorite writers, M R James was a very respected scholar. I guess my point is that we enjoy dipping into the dark side in order to enjoy the sun more, I can't wait to see the new Batman movie, but I wouldnt want to live in it!
I'm really starting to enjoy run to the hills theories.
The only religious writing I hate it the fake piety type, it's always a cover for raging dishonesty, like that creepy guy who ran the legionnaires of christ and destroyed everyone around him.

Having those album covers on a church wall would be no more offensive than having statues or graven images of Christ in a place of worship.

Doc Farrell

Well, I wouldn't go that far, old boy! They are two different experiences, one to find shelter from the storms of the world, the other to rock it out!

Run_to_da_hills

Doc Farrell wrote: »

Well, I wouldn't go that far, old boy! They are two different experiences, one to find shelter from the storms of the world, the other to rock it out!

Do you go to Bike Rallies? I use to do them at least twice a month during the good years, I would consider them churches of the opposite extreme.

prinz

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

The thread is about Rock and Metal from a Christian prospective, and yes I would agree with you that the choice of music is very very small for any believing Christian.

Depends what you are looking for. If you are looking for music with a Christian theme, there's plenty of it out there. If you are looking for a band who self profess as Christian and have never had any artwork, promotional material etc that would be questionable yes you are going to have more difficulty.

Run_to_da_hills

prinz wrote: »

Depends what you are looking for. If you are looking for music with a Christian theme, there's plenty of it out there. If you are looking for a band who self profess as Christian and have never had any artwork, promotional material etc that would be questionable yes you are going to have more difficulty.

I am not particularly a fan of Christian Rock or metal and this is why I have moved on to classical. I would consider some of the trance electronic music as "modern classic".

Guitar_Monkey

Iron maiden are not a Christian band. They are not a band with no religious agenda at all. I know at least one of their members is Christian...but that's as far as it goes.The artwork is not meant for worship purposes, therefore never designed to go on a church wall. It's entertainment. You really seem to struggle with that concept.

Splendour

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I had collections from various groups such as Metallica, Iron Maiden, Alice Cooper, Black Sabbath, Wasp, Led Zeppelin, Slayer, Slipknot, Ramstein, Stones, Floyd and more.

Alice Cooper is a Christian.

prinz wrote: »

Depends what you are looking for. If you are looking for music with a Christian theme, there's plenty of it out there. If you are looking for a band who self profess as Christian and have never had any artwork, promotional material etc that would be questionable yes you are going to have more difficulty.

I have a CD of these guys http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgdcE7_W3Qg and it's pretty decent.
Am fond of rock music myself-and radio Nova; have a Christian sticker on my car alongside my Radio Nova sticker

Benny_Cake

Splendour wrote: »

I have a CD of these guys http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgdcE7_W3Qg and it's pretty decent.
Am fond of rock music myself-and radio Nova; have a Christian sticker on my car alongside my Radio Nova sticker

Heh, got to love Youtube comments:

screw religion,,as music this is bad ass, im totaly diggin that intro riff

I'm getting back into Radio Nova myself lately, they seem to have broadened their playlist somewhat - it was very repetitive there for a while.

Run_to_da_hills

Splendour wrote: »

Alice Cooper is a Christian.

Wasn't aware of that, Schools out and Poison are excellent tracks. (I gather Poison was connected with the AID's epidemic in the early 90's correct me if i'm wrong)

Splendour wrote: »

I have a CD of these guys http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgdcE7_W3Qg and it's pretty decent.
Am fond of rock music myself-and radio Nova; have a Christian sticker on my car alongside my Radio Nova sticker

They sound a bit like Rainbow.

Sonics2k

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Wasn't aware of that, Schools out and Poison are excellent tracks. (I gather Poison was connected with the AID's epidemic in the early 90's correct me if i'm wrong) They sound a bit like Rainbow.

If I'm correct, I actually think it was a reference to Heroin addiction and it's grip over people and himself.

Run_to_da_hills

Sonics2k wrote: »

If I'm correct, I actually think it was a reference to Heroin addiction and it's grip over people and himself.

Maybe sharing contaminated needles, it was an educational track and one of his best.

Guitar_Monkey

Anyone who likes prog should check out Neal Morse.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DETQCq_nns

Run_to_da_hills

This subject on Illuminati controlling the mind in the Music industry with occult images and messages is a topic CT and bears thinking of.

Very Interesting sound track & lyrics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAqWi4LLFGc

Northclare

Gospel House music is very popular in America they have Gospel House Radio stations.
I listen to all kinds of music from chamber, country,house, metal,alternative, if I like it ill say it

Guitar_Monkey

There's the whole so called Christcore movement too. Bands like As i Lay Dying, Norma Jean, The Devil Wears Prada, Underoath, Demon Hunter, Becoming The Archtype....and many, many more.

RichieC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErmJa3MBI10

prinz

So the devil really went down to Georgia and had a fiddle-off? :pac:

Run_to_da_hills

prinz wrote: »

So the devil really went down to Georgia and had a fiddle-off? :pac:

At least he was out straight with the Lyrics unlike this one, straight out from the beasts mouth,

1.38 seconds to be precise from start.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Nx4fdGBiYE

Benny_Cake

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

At least he was out straight with the Lyrics unlike this one, straight out from the beasts mouth,

1.38 seconds to be precise from start.

So Obama's the antichrist? But Jerry Falwell said that the antichrist would be Jewish :rolleyes: