AAI National 10k Road Championship Disqualification Question?

InsaneBolt

Noticed the men's and women's winners in the AAI national 10k not wearing their official clubs vests in the Spar Great Ireland Run. Can someone clear a question that was put to me?

AAI rules states you must wear club vest. Should they be disqualified? I hope not.

RacoonQueen

I thought the same yesterday watching the coverage. Sergiu never wears a club vest for the marathon though does he?

ocnoc

http://www.sportsfile.com/id/571136/

shels4ever

RacoonQueen wrote: »

I thought the same yesterday watching the coverage. Sergiu never wears a club vest for the marathon though does he?

I could be wrong but the rules states that you dont need to wear a club vest for races above half marathon I think. (Can't remember the exact distance but didnt think it was 10k on the road.)

http://www.athleticsireland.ie/content/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/competition_rule_book_aug_20111.pdf
page 26.

ocnoc

From Competition Rule book 2010-2012

Page 26 wrote:

10 K Road Championships
Athlete must wear club singlet alternatives permitted in certain circumstances with permission of meet manager / director on application with entry.

http://www.athleticsireland.ie/content/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/competition_rule_book_aug_20111.pdf

Edit: Didn't see your edit... woops!

mloc123

On related note, Martinez cut across the footpath along the s-bends. Should he not also be disqualified?

thirstywork2

This rule is for every athlete competing in any AAI event except the marathon.
I know the rule is for everyone but you have to understand some athletes finding it hard to be sponsored and in races like this which are live on tv they have togive exposure to their sponsors.

An example would be Mark Kenneally who has struggled to get any type of even gear sponsorship up until he made the Olympics.
So what do you do?DQ Linda Byrne and Mark Kenneally?

Then the otherside of the coin you get an average club runner who doesn't wear his or her club vest,one rule for one and another rule for someone else.....

thirstywork2

mloc123 wrote: »

On related note, Martinez cut across the footpath along the s-bends. Should he not also be disqualified?

answer=NO

cfitz

Does anyone actually think someone should be disqualified for not wearing their club singlet??!!

That'd be like getting the death penalty for not paying your household charge.

ocnoc

thirstywork2 wrote: »

This rule is for every athlete competing in any AAI event except the marathon.
I know the rule is for everyone but you have to understand some athletes finding it hard to be sponsored and in races like this which are live on tv they have togive exposure to their sponsors.

An example would be Mark Kenneally who has struggled to get any type of even gear sponsorship up until he made the Olympics.
So what do you do?DQ Linda Byrne and Mark Kenneally?

Then the otherside of the coin you get an average club runner who doesn't wear his or her club vest,one rule for one and another rule for someone else.....

In no way whatsoever do I mean to come across as if I believe Kenneally and Byrne should be disqualified.Sponsorship is a b*tch to come by.
Its just a tad annoying that there is one rule for some and one for others.

emerald007

We'd need to see the actual results of the 10km road race first to enable us to verify if team members did or didn't run in the correct singlets.

shels4ever

cfitz wrote: »

Does anyone actually think someone should be disqualified for not wearing their club singlet??!!

That'd be like getting the death penalty for not paying your household charge.

I think it actually did happen a couple of years ago, Can't remember the race involved but was at a county borard meeting where it came up. Might have been the national half 2009?

brutes1

emerald007 wrote: »

We'd need to see the actual results of the 10km road race first to enable us to verify if team members did or didn't run in the correct singlets.

how does it take so long...

thirtyfoot

shels4ever wrote: »

I think it actually did happen a couple of years ago, Can't remember the race involved but was at a county borard meeting where it came up. Might have been the national half 2009?

Yeah it did. Clonliffe lost out. Raheny protested and it was upheld. Transpired you could wear a non-club vest in anything above 10k. Clonliffe didn't bother appealing.

RacoonQueen

emerald007 wrote: »

We'd need to see the actual results of the 10km road race first to enable us to verify if team members did or didn't run in the correct singlets.

http://www.greatirelandrun.org/Results/AdvancedSearch.aspx

AAI women or AAI men under race category and then click to sort by time, best you'll get for now, we all know the AAI aren't likely have a results sheet out for a few days yet. Of course Byrne and Keneally weren't actually running the national 10k they were running the GIR, right?

Using the same logic, a club member registered for the GIR can't be included in their clubs team as they're not registered for the national 10k. So how can athletes registered for the GIR win the national championships?

Doesn't bother me like, interesting discussion though.

PainIsTemporary

shels4ever wrote: »

I think it actually did happen a couple of years ago, Can't remember the race involved but was at a county borard meeting where it came up. Might have been the national half 2009?

Has happened on a number of occasions. In a recent article in the Irish Runner Dick Hooper mentioned how Gerry Kiernan won National Marathon but as he didn't wear his club vest the title was given to Dick Hooper as the 2nd placed athlete.

Also I think Cathal Lombard won the National Short Course cross country championships a few years ago but was DQ'ed for not wearing his club gear.

Sean Connolly is sponsored by Brooks the same as Mark Kenneally, and has a brooks iron on crest on his Tallaght singlet: http://www.sportsfile.com/id/571145/

If there is a rule, it should apply to all, elites included.

aburke

Paul Hession has attached sponsor logos to his singlet in the past too.

torunforfree

i think there is a rule that you can put a sponsorship logo on a club singlet but it can only be a certain size,like the size in Hession pic.

just looking at the men's results, andrew ledwith was the third irish man home but barry minnock was given the bronze medal and i think ledwith was wearimg his club singlet!!!!

The Hammer

torunforfree wrote: »

just looking at the men's results, andrew ledwith was the third irish man home but barry minnock was given the bronze medal and i think ledwith was wearimg his club singlet!!!!

Ledwith was wearing the Meath County singlet - Father Murphy AC, his club, have a red/black singlet. Regardless it is the wrong singlet.

So am I to understand that Andrew Ledwidth was DQ-ed for not wearing the correct one? Can someone confirm this?

ecoli

torunforfree wrote: »

i think there is a rule that you can put a sponsorship logo on a club singlet but it can only be a certain size,like the size in Hession pic.

just looking at the men's results, andrew ledwith was the third irish man home but barry minnock was given the bronze medal and i think ledwith was wearimg his club singlet!!!!

That was due to him being signed up for the GIR but not the AAI national Champs apparently if you look at the race number in pictures you will see it is not a gold one like other AAI competitors :rolleyes:

RacoonQueen

ecoli wrote: »

That was due to him being signed up for the GIR but not the AAI national Champs apparently if you look at the race number in pictures you will see it is not a gold one like other AAI competitors :rolleyes:

So how come Linda and Mark can win the nat championships when they're not signed up for the GIR?

ecoli

RacoonQueen wrote: »

So how come Linda and Mark can win the nat championships when they're not signed up for the GIR?

I would have thought they would have been registered as AAI championship runners. I know a lad in our club was signed up for the GIR and they made an attempt to change the number for an AAI one in the tent were told they couldnt and as a result despite being 3rd scorer for the club never counted for the team event.

Presumably similar with Ledwith (not entirely certain on this as I wasn't there)

thirtyfoot

I understand that Ledwith explicitly wanted to be not included in the National 10k hence why Minnock got bronze and Ledwith didn't.

beeduybe

thirtyfoot wrote: »

I understand that Ledwith explicitly wanted to be not included in the National 10k hence why Minnock got bronze and Ledwith didn't.

Any idea why? Seems strange he raced at all then?

Condo131

PainIsTemporary wrote: »

Has happened on a number of occasions. In a recent article in the Irish Runner Dick Hooper mentioned how Gerry Kiernan won National Marathon but as he didn't wear his club vest the title was given to Dick Hooper as the 2nd placed athlete.

That was, afaicr, Cork 1983. I've been told that Hooper promptly handed over the trophy (medal?) to Kiernan.

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clubcard

It all sounds very confusing to me.Regards Andrew im sure he got a few quid for racing being one of the best athletes over 10k.
I think the national 10k on the road is abit like the Carling cup in soccer.

Im sure Clonliffe and DSD enter both linda and Mark in the National 10k.
yes sponsored athletes will wear their logon on their club vest as it's exposure.
In the UK im sure they stick to the rules better than over here.

SeanKenny

It's hardly a major discussion point. If Mark and Linda got a few quid for wearing sponsored singlets fair play to them. They are trying to fund olympic ambitions and best of luck to them.

Linda should be an automatic for London, her domestic record is tremendous and she has youth on her side. Maybe a better discussion point is why do they not receive more funding? Both could be the backbone of competitive teams at Euro cross for the next few years?