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Bryan/Brien/O'Brien in Kilkenny

  • 15-04-2012 4:07pm
    #1
    P. Breathnach
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    Herself is trying to trace a William O'Brien, born in or about 1821 in Thomastown, County Kilkenny.

    On IFHF we got two hits, spot-on for the year, but neither is O'Brien. One is William Brien; the other is William Bryan. They both give the same address at the Mall, but they are two different people (different baptism dates; different parents).

    One might think that Brien is the more likely fit, partly because there is an Anglo-Norman name Bryan that is associated with Kilkenny. But here's the rub: William Bryan's parents are Timothy and Elizabeth. The only children we know of for William O'Brien are ... Timothy and Elizabeth.

    So help us make a judgement, please. Do people think that the Timothy Bryan christened in Thomastown in 1821 is the same person who in 1839 declared that he was 18 years old and came from Thomastown?


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  • #2
    pinkypinky
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,708 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    Yeah, I'd guess it's the same person, but you can't be 100% without other records, which may or may not exist.

    Genealogy Forum Mod



  • #3
    WDW1111
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32 ✭WDW1111


    I would guess so too. I have searched through a lot of KK records over the years and Timothy isn't a common KK name. Where you do find it it tends to be a family name and often with a Cork background somewhere. Spelling wasn't the best then either and "O" doesn't appear in a lot of parish records even when the family did use the O in everyday life.


  • #4
    P. Breathnach
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,089 ✭✭✭✭P. Breathnach


    WDW1111 wrote: »
    ... "O" doesn't appear in a lot of parish records even when the family did use the O in everyday life.
    That's what I suspected, and some surface scratching about fed my suspicion. First, I found other Bryans or Briens (not, so far as I can judge, connected) whose children were O'Briens. Second, there seem to be fewer O'Anythings in mid 19th century Kilkenny than one might expect.


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