Car running on anything bar petrol, diesel etc

trixyben

A mate and myself were just talking about the price fuel is now and how much we go through on a monthly basis and it would shock ya once you see how much is spent!

Got talking about different typres of fuel be it biodiesel, LPG, electric etc... Then i thought just for talk sake if I was to have a car that went on pure water and nothing else what would the customs say to you when they dip you? Ok if you have green diesel your not paying full tax etc so you know your guilty when caught and will be done but what could they do with the water as fuel scenario?

Would just love to be driving and stopped by customs dipping only for them to be greated when opening the fuel filler door when an image of a 2 fingered feck off this ylks on H2O!

lomb

If you invented a car that ran on water I doubt youd be worried about customs dipping you, or possibly you would if the law was applicable to lear jets!

trixyben

trixyben wrote: »

........... Ok if you have green diesel your not paying full tax etc so you know your guilty when caught and will be done but what could they do with the water as fuel scenario?

Would just love to be driving and stopped by customs dipping only for them to be greated when opening the fuel filler door when an image of a 2 fingered feck off this ylks on H2O!

Much the same thing, no fuel tax on the water and you're using it as a fuel

Ardennes1944

if you found a way to easily run engines on water then you could probably buy this country, police force and all

trixyben

RoverJames wrote: »

Much the same thing, no fuel tax on the water and you're using it as a fuel

Ok I imagine they would try hit you for some sort of tax evasion tbh but can they really???

how does it work on older cars that run on veg oil, i know a man who runs an old jag on nothing only veg oil that he buys wholesale from cash and carry, he's been doing it this 10 years or so and in all that time hasnt met customs...sure what can the customs say really? he isnt avoiding any tax!

trixyben

trixyben wrote: »

....... he isnt avoiding any tax!

Yes he is, veg oil isn't taxed as a fuel so shouldn't be used as a fuel on the road.

What engine is in his Jag? Got a transplant presumably?

trixyben

RoverJames wrote: »

Yes he is, veg oil isn't taxed as a fuel so shouldn't be used as a fuel on the road.

What engine is in his Jag? Got a transplant presumably?

Dont know off hand what engine it has tbh...

So your saying because veg oil isnt taxed as a fuel you must not use it as a fuel? I think he would beg to differ tbh

MarkR

trixyben wrote: »

Dont know off hand what engine it has tbh...

So your saying because veg oil isnt taxed as a fuel you must not use it as a fuel? I think he would beg to differ tbh

He'd be wrong. He's supposed to pay tax on the oil as a fuel to the revenue. It's not like no one has thought of this before. Except for the water thing. With that, you're all out on your own.

Speaking of things, which legally speaking, shouldn't be put into other things, how's the drugs these days?

trixyben

trixyben wrote: »

......... I think he would beg to differ tbh

I couldn't give a feck tbh, you asked a question, I answered it, I don't know the chap and he can run his car on whatever he wants as far as I'm concerned

trixyben

well its been well worth it for him as he's been only paying anywhere from 60c-80c per litre, could be more could be less i dont know, over the last 10 years...

If he was done by customs tomorrow and fined whatever it is (3 or 4K?) I dont think he would mind to much...

So am I right in saying anything used as a fuel for car will be subject to be taxed?

Sesshoumaru

trixyben wrote: »

well its been well worth it for him as he's been only paying anywhere from 60c-80c per litre, could be more could be less i dont know, over the last 10 years...

If he was done by customs tomorrow and fined whatever it is (3 or 4K?) I dont think he would mind to much...

So am I right in saying anything used as a fuel for car will be subject to be taxed?

I don't have additional fuel taxes applied to the electricity I use in my car. Just regular VAT.

colm_mcm

Youre saving the planet though so that's ok

Matt Simis

trixyben wrote: »

So am I right in saying anything used as a fuel for car will be subject to be taxed?

Yep (ignoring electricity as the exception for now).

chasm

trixyben wrote: »

Dont know off hand what engine it has tbh...

So your saying because veg oil isnt taxed as a fuel you must not use it as a fuel? I think he would beg to differ tbh

He can beg to differ all he likes, it doesn't change the fact that he is evading paying a tax/duty.
According to this article from 2005, Green Party councillor Brian Meaney was running his car on veg oil and he had to pay tax on the fuel(veg oil).

" But it's not all smooth driving for Brian - he gets taxed on his fuel.
He said: "Unfortunately there is always a catch to these things. I get taxed on 35c to the litre for what basically is rubbish that's being thrown out.
It's all part of the Minerals Act......"


http://www.thefreelibrary.com/IT%27S+CHEAP+AS+CHIPS+FOR+OIL%3B+Fuel-friendly+car+on+Green+Party+menu.-a0139121207

Also it was discussed on a thread here last year (Just noticed that Matt Simis was the OP :
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056173469

homingbird

chasm wrote: »

He can beg to differ all he likes, it doesn't change the fact that he is evading paying a tax/duty.
According to this article from 2005, Green Party councillor Brian Meaney was running his car on veg oil and he had to pay tax on the fuel(veg oil).

" But it's not all smooth driving for Brian - he gets taxed on his fuel.
He said: "Unfortunately there is always a catch to these things. I get taxed on 35c to the litre for what basically is rubbish that's being thrown out.
It's all part of the Minerals Act......"


http://www.thefreelibrary.com/IT%27S+CHEAP+AS+CHIPS+FOR+OIL%3B+Fuel-friendly+car+on+Green+Party+menu.-a0139121207

Also it was discussed on a thread here last year (Just noticed that Matt Simis was the OP :
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056173469

If he is running his car on 2 tanks 1 for diesel the other for veg oil hidden in boot customs will never know except for the smell.

bbam

homingbird wrote: »

If he is running his car on 2 tanks 1 for diesel the other for veg oil hidden in boot customs will never know except for the smell.

That's the key.
I knew a cattle dealer that ran his old Hino truck on a second tank under the bed in the cab, reckons he saved a fortune over the 10 years he was doing it.

I've heard a rhumor that a local lad has a second tank in his transporter, boxed in with ply into a "toolchest".

homingbird

homingbird wrote: »

If he is running his car on 2 tanks 1 for diesel the other for veg oil hidden in boot customs will never know except for the smell.

They can take a sample from a location other than the tank too.

The lips

Where else do they take a sample from? Exhaust fumes??

darragh o meara

The lips wrote: »

Where else do they take a sample from? Exhaust fumes??

Diesel filter which in 99.9% of cases is under the bonnet and not all that difficult to get at. However it's rare they dip anywhere other than the tank unless they're acting on information. I've known loads of truckers running green diesel with the spare tank in the cab and at under €1 why wouldn't they? Especially when you consider a truck can take 1000+ litres and usually average about 3-4 mpg.

There are rumours that they can test from the soot in the exhaust but ive never seen it nor heard of anyone who's been tested that way.

john reilly

darragh o meara wrote: »

Diesel filter which in 99.9% of cases is under the bonnet and not all that difficult to get at. However it's rare they dip anywhere other than the tank unless they're acting on information. I've known loads of truckers running green diesel with the spare tank in the cab and at under €1 why wouldn't they? Especially when you consider a truck can take 1000+ litres and usually average about 3-4 mpg.

There are rumours that they can test from the soot in the exhaust but ive never seen it nor heard of anyone who's been tested that way.

really?