Fukushima radiation

TURRICAN

Hey guys and girls.
There is a discussion over in conspiracy theories forum about this at the moment.

What I'd like to know is what direction does the winds etc blow as this is being reported to be destined for the whole of the the northern hemisphere. This is pretty scary stuff. Also how long would it take to travel around.
Any other info would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers.

Min

The way most people have a little bit of Chernobyl inside them, we also have a little bit of Fukushima inside us.

It took between 12 and 15 days fr the whole of the Northern hemisphere to record particles from Fukushima, it moved westwards from Japan to North America to Europe and back to eastern Russia

It reached Europe on the 20th of March.
http://enformable.com/2012/03/fukushima-radiation-detectable-across-northern-hemisphere-15-days-after-disaster/

http://enenews.com/journal-aerosolized-plutonium-from-fukushima-detected-in-europe-spent-fuel-indicated

I would not worry about it, more likely to get skin cancer from the sun.

TURRICAN

Min wrote: »

The way most people have a little bit of Chernobyl inside them, we also have a little bit of Fukushima inside us.

It took between 12 and 15 days fr the whole of the Northern hemisphere to record particles from Fukushima, it moved westwards from Japan to North America to Europe and back to eastern Russia

It reached Europe on the 20th of March.
http://enformable.com/2012/03/fukushima-radiation-detectable-across-northern-hemisphere-15-days-after-disaster/

http://enenews.com/journal-aerosolized-plutonium-from-fukushima-detected-in-europe-spent-fuel-indicated

I would not worry about it, more likely to get skin cancer from the sun.

I'd say it has to be more than skin cancer.
Mutations etc, anyway so it's already here!

They had another quake not so long ago adding more to the situation.

So we have acid rain ,radio active rain/snow.
What next?

Harps

The amounts were totally insignificant, the word radiation seems to scare a lot of people but you'd absorb more radiation from being in a plane for a few hours or just lying out in the sun than you'd ever get from Fukushima

TURRICAN

Has me scared anyway😱

Statistician

Min wrote: »

I would not worry about it, more likely to get skin cancer from the sun.

Unless the spent fuel pool in unit 4 collapses. (It is listing at the moment)

I suppose this thread is about air-born contamination. I remember reading that the huge amount of contaminated water they are dumping into the ocean will take a couple of years to reach the coast of USA.

gbee

TURRICAN wrote: »

So we have acid rain ,radio active rain/snow.
What next?

The effects of radiation is three fold, intensity, exposure and longevity. Fukushima radiation has not been as active or intense as Chernobyl and has not created 'hot spots' as the Chernobyl disaster did.

Compare Fukushima for Ireland like Windscale's nuclear waste into the Irish Sea, the fire in that reactor has been linked to major cancer clusters in parts of Ireland, but otherwise we receive a low dose but over a long time from Sellafield already and it's directly in our foodchain.

Don't forget that the Fukushima reactor cores are more or less 'contained' whereas Chernobyl blew apart and launched heavy particles high into the atmosphere.

Heavy particles from Fukushima are found very close to the plant and are vented particles. The danger with Fukushima is that we could yet have Chernobyl style heavy atmospheric discharge.

For us in Ireland, at this time, or up to this time, we have remained almost totally unaffected. In that thread in the conspiracy forum are rates of discharge and types of isotopes, intensities and half life figures, the rates for the deposits over Ireland are there too.

Statistician

Harps wrote: »

The amounts were totally insignificant, the word radiation seems to scare a lot of people but you'd absorb more radiation from being in a plane for a few hours or just lying out in the sun than you'd ever get from Fukushima

This isn't really a valid comparison. There are lots of different types of radiation sources to consider
What about hot particles for example? - these can travel large distances. Not much fun if inhaled.

Iancar29

Im sorry guys but this is gone way off topic for the weather forum..

Statistician

gbee wrote: »

The effects of radiation is three fold, intensity, exposure and longevity. Fukushima radiation has not been as active or intense as Chernobyl and has not created 'hot spots' as the Chernobyl disaster did.

There have been hot spots created.
Some people are also calling this the marine Chernobyl.

Consider that this disaster is still ongoing.

vibe666

Statistician wrote: »

Some people are also calling this the marine Chernobyl.

yes, but they'd also be the ones wearing tinfoil hats and worrying about top secret NSA satellites creating earthquakes, so i'm not going to start building my fallout shelter just yet. :rolleyes:

this thread should be sent back to the conspiracies forum where it belongs.

TURRICAN

vibe666 wrote: »

Statistician wrote: »

Some people are also calling this the marine Chernobyl.

yes, but they'd also be the ones wearing tinfoil hats and worrying about top secret NSA satellites creating earthquakes, so i'm not going to start building my fallout shelter just yet. :rolleyes:

this thread should be sent back to the conspiracies forum where it belongs.

Bit side tracked alright.
I was looking at the way weather can transport the nuclear waste about the world.

vibe666

TURRICAN wrote: »

Bit side tracked alright.
I was looking at the way weather can transport the nuclear waste about the world.

there's bits of everything everywhere, you just have to wait long enough. we're just one big snow globe.

Redsunset

There's to be no more back seat modding. Failure to comply will result in an Infractions/Ban and the thread being locked. Please discuss in a constructive manner or not at all. This is a warning and not to be discussed further.

Godge

TURRICAN wrote: »

Has me scared anyway😱

Eh why,

The experts suggest, quite credibly, that the emissions are low, the dilution is huge and that the effect is indistinguishable from background radiation.

So you are in greater danger if you go surfing, or rock-climbing, or drinking alcohol but you are scared because of the radiation thing???? ~Don't make sense.

TURRICAN

Godge wrote: »

TURRICAN wrote: »

Has me scared anyway😱

Eh why,

The experts suggest, quite credibly, that the emissions are low, the dilution is huge and that the effect is indistinguishable from background radiation.

So you are in greater danger if you go surfing, or rock-climbing, or drinking alcohol but you are scared because of the radiation thing???? ~Don't make sense.

I started this thread to talk about weather and distribution of nuclear radiation.

chemfood

For Turrican and all with a seriousness and more than flippant curiosity about radioactive fallout from Fukushima, a vast wealth of information for you

Reality Check Nuclear News Now - daily updates from fuku and the world
http://realitycheck.no-ip.info/nnn.html

Radiation Exposure and Protection Forum -jet streams, ocean contamination, radiation and debris monitoring, Fukushima vs.Chernobyl comparisons and other infinitely useful information about the ongoing situation. Please share with loved ones
http://realitycheck.no-ip.info/forum/in ... ,24.0.html

dedicated no-nuke news and community, strong for over a year now. Anything you want to know they will definitely point you there
http://enenews.com

your concerns are warranted. don't let the monkeys babbling about airplanes baffle you. Man-made ionizing radiation is a whole different banana. figure out your protocols and share share share.

for those who would like to get the rad word out to Occupy
http://realitycheck.no-ip.info/occupy

Aloha and blessed duck and cover to you and yours!
chemfood

dloob

Monkeys babbling
Charming.

There is no such thing as man made ionizing radiation.
There is just ionizing and non-ionizing radiation doesn't matter where it came from.
The energy level of the cosmic rays exceeds anything even CERN could produce in their biggest particle accelerator.
Guess that's why air crew is considered to be the job with the highest radiation exposure in the world.
Sure there were even natural nuclear fission reactors in Gabon 1.7 billion years ago that worked like like the reactors we have today.

As for fukushima the biggest risk would be the radioactive iodine-131, it gets concentrated in the the thyroid.
Fortunately it has a half life of 8 days so little would have got this far.

I loved the headline on one of those sites that was "environmentalists squeal with delight as Japan starts day with no nuclear power"
Must have been the thought of those thousands of tons extra CO2 being produced burning fossil fuels to make up the short fall

chemfood

dloob, seems you missed the man-made radiation memo from the DOH
http://www.doh.wa.gov/ehp/rp/factsheets/factsheets-htm/fs10bkvsman.htm

and IAEA gives no nod to airplane pilots
http://www.iaea.org/Publications/Booklets/RadPeopleEnv/pdf/chapter_9.pdf

as for the 'biggest risk" from Fukushima, there are multiple isotopes riding the jet streams from Fukushima ... daily....whose half-lives eclipse ours by a long shot. half-lives should be multiplied by 10... so iodine is around 80 days until it decays, like the other isotopes, into something else. does solar radiation do that? i forget. certainly man-made radiation effects have been researched http://realitycheck.no-ip.info/forum/index.php/topic,152.0.html

and that "one" site also reported
NSNS: Secret Japan nuclear bomb program covered up using nuclear power industry — Enough to build arsenal larger than China, India and Pakistan combined ... if more people knew perhaps there would be more squealing about the dangers of nuclear.

Anyway. thought i'd share since it seems there are folks here who care. This info is for you who want to know more. Thanks for the share

Aloha,
chemfood

dloob

It's still ionizing or non-ionizing the source doesn't matter.
It's the same banana.
Speaking of which did you know big loads of banana's can set off radiation detectors in ports!

The UNSCEAR puts aircrew annual dose at 3mSv vs 2.9mSv for nuclear workers.
The iodine 131 becomes xenon 131 which is no longer radioactive. All radioactive isotopes will become non radioactive elements eventually even if they are in the sun.

If the OP is worried about radiation in Ireland they should be worried about Radon it's the biggest hazard you'll probably come across.
Check out the RPII website to see if you are in a high risk area.

Popoutman

Don't forget the radiation from eating a banana..

chemfood

right. don't 'forget' the bananas. as if any of us received any meaningful education about nuclear power plants and their true consequences.

don't let anyone fool you about the freaking bananas!

Radioactive Chart
http://desu-hq.org/2011/04/09/banana-radioactive-chart/

Guide to Magnitude of Radiation Sources
http://nukepimp.blogspot.com/2012/01/guide-to-magnitude-of-radiation-sources.html

Bananas and RadioPhobia
http://lieuxabandonnes.blogspot.com/2011/04/radiation-101-electromagnetic-spectrum.html

Comparing Bananas with Fallout is Ludicrous Science
http://lieuxabandonnes.blogspot.com/2011/03/why-we-cant-compare-bananas-radiation.html

Natural Radiation: Why Your Bananas Are Radioactive And You Shouldn't Care
http://www.raw-food-health.net/Natural-Radiation.html

General Information About K-40
http://www.orau.org/ptp/collection/consumer%20products/potassiumgeneralinfo.htm

Bananas are radioactive—But they aren't a good way to explain radiation exposure
http://www.boingboing.net/2010/08/27/bananas-are-radioact.html

A banana equivalent dose is a whimsical unit of radiation exposure, informally defined as the additional dose a person will absorb from eating one banana.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_equivalent_dose

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_SJH7VNAE0#ws

http://anti-proton.com/?p=606

as to "All radioactive isotopes will become non radioactive elements eventually even if they are in the sun" comment ... for many damaging radioactive isotopes still 'leaking' from Fukuhima, and the isotopes they decay into on their way to harmless, "eventually" is a very looooooooooooooong time

93 Long Life Radiation Contaminants: A Problem for Billions of Years
http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/03/93-long-lived-nuclear-elements.html

Shhhhhh ... whisper aerosolized plutonium five times fast and click your heels ... move along now ... no Fukushima to see here
http://realitycheck.no-ip.info/forum/index.php/topic,20.msg468.html#msg468

vibe666

chemfood wrote: »

and that "one" site also reported
NSNS: Secret Japan nuclear bomb program covered up using nuclear power industry — Enough to build arsenal larger than China, India and Pakistan combined ... if more people knew perhaps there would be more squealing about the dangers of nuclear.

i wouldn't worry about that though if i were you, i'm sure your tinfoil hat will be more than adequate to protect you. :rolleyes:

you seem to be confusing the Weather forum with the Conspiracies forum, but then I'm sure you already have another account over there anyway.

dloob

I imagine the huge secret Japanese bomb project is in case of Godzilla or Mothra attack.

Calibos

Its not really a secret that Japan could have a bomb in a few weeks if they wanted to. The worry with North Korea isn't that they could do much damage with the one or two Hiroshima level bombs they would be capable of producing, its the Nuclear Tensions that would escalate in the region should North Koreas bomb make the Japanese decide to build a few Megaton Hydrogen bombs in reaction, which then makes the Chinese more nervous, so they build a few more, which then makes the Indians nervous so they build a few more, which then makes the Pakistani's more nervous etc etc.

That said, I am a believer in the MAD doctrine as long as the 'Actors' are rational. I think that even Iran is rational. They only shower I worry about are the North Koreans.

Redsunset

Closing this now, bring your arguments elsewhere please.