Should I have paid full price in the taxi?

SafetyPin

I was out on Easter Sunday night and recived a text that my friend was sent to hospital so I decided to take a taxi from Dame Street to St James.

Now I pulled the first taxi that came along and that was grand. So I had my hand out the window and the taxi man closed my window by pressing the button, and it took him a few seconds longer to re-open the window even though I yelped in pain. Now in total the fare came to €7.05 but I didn't feel it was right to pay the full fare, I paid €5 and stated that I would not pay full price because my hand was in pain. Needless to say a shouting match began.

lost marbles

when did you not notice the window was closing ? the window must have been super fast in closing in order for you to get your hand trapped .
somehow i smell a rat ??????

SafetyPin

I noticed when it was closed on my hand. My hand was mostly at the top anyway, liike my fingers mostly on the roof. So it's not like i'd of felt the window go up until it was done.

Cookie_Monster

you should have asked him to kiss it better

Dravokivich

What the hell are you doing sticking your hand out the window. Are you 5 or something?

lost marbles

SafetyPin wrote: »

I noticed when it was closed on my hand. My hand was mostly at the top anyway, liike my fingers mostly on the roof. So it's not like i'd of felt the window go up until it was done.

ok so you got into the taxi ,front or back seat ?
how much did you open the window .all the way down or just a few inches .
it was,nt the warmest of nights .so why did you open the window in the first place .
did you not ask the permission of the driver to open the window .
now why did you think that because you got your hand trapped in the window ,that you were intitled not to pay the full taxi fare .

Where To

If it was me I would demand an extra fiver for damage to the window regulator.;)

markpb

lost marbles wrote: »

it was,nt the warmest of nights .so why did you open the window in the first place . did you not ask the permission of the driver to open the window .

What absolutely hogwash. None of that is relevant. If the OP wants to open a window, they're entitled to do it without explaining themselves to you and without asking permission of the driver.

2qk4u

Regardless of what your problem is you legally have to pay the fair. If you have a problem with the driver then get your receipt and follow the correct complaint procedure.
It is not up to you as a passenger to decide how much you will pay because you are not happy. There is an obligation on all Taxi passengers to behave in an orderly manner when travelling by Taxi.
You travel IN a Taxi, if your arm was out the window you deserve everything you get.

2qk4u

markpb wrote: »

What absolutely hogwash. None of that is relevant. If the OP wants to open a window, they're entitled to do it without explaining themselves to you and without asking permission of the driver.

Nothing wrong with opening the window, just dont put your hand out, and the op has a bad attitude if they think they can just decide not to pay the fare, its illegal to refuse to pay the fare.

Oink

+1. If you travel in a taxi, pay the fare. If you have a complaint, talk to the appropriate office.These are 2 unrelated matters.

EDIT: How did it end anyway?
EDIT2: http://www.transportforireland.ie/wp-content/uploads/Complaints-Form-NTA-Sep-2011.pdf

Victor

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

you should have asked him to kiss it better

Dravokivich wrote: »

Are you 5 or something?

Play nice.

lost marbles

markpb wrote: »

What absolutely hogwash. None of that is relevant. If the OP wants to open a window, they're entitled to do it without explaining themselves to you and without asking permission of the driver.

a simple "excuse me but is it alright if i open this window " would suffice .after all he was travelling in the guys property .and good manners cost nothing .
from experience the passenger who opens the window is either ready to hurl up the fifteen pints and the kebab ,and needs watching .or ready to start shouting and hanging out the window .
i suppose it can be down to the type of person but going by the op,s post id say he fits into the one iv said .
there was already one casualty of the group that night .

markpb

lost marbles wrote: »

a simple "excuse me but is it alright if i open this window " would suffice .after all he was travelling in the guys property .and good manners cost nothing .

It's a public service vehicle, should bus passengers nip downstairs and ask the driver before they pop open the window there?

from experience the passenger who opens the window is either ready to hurl up the fifteen pints and the kebab ,and needs watching .or ready to start shouting and hanging out the window . i suppose it can be down to the type of person but going by the op,s post id say he fits into the one iv said .there was already one casualty of the group that night .

That may be the case but it doesn't mean passengers should be interrogated for wanting to open a window. I'm not saying he's right expecting to get off scott free, I'm just shocked at this attitude that he should ask for permission to open a window.

lost marbles

markpb wrote: »

It's a public service vehicle, should bus passengers nip downstairs and ask the driver before they pop open the window there?
look .a double decker bus is a total different scenario to a saloon car .manners mark manners .:):)



That may be the case but it doesn't mean passengers should be interrogated for wanting to open a window. I'm not saying he's right expecting to get off scott free, I'm just shocked at this attitude that he should ask for permission to open a window.

marky baby your easly shocked , did your mammy not teach you that its nice to have good manners .
what do you mean by interrogated .if you read the post properly ."a simple would it be alright to open the window" would all it take .now the taxi could be travelling along a motorway at speed [wind barrage noise ]if the window is opened . the driver could ask if the passenger is too warm and ajust the climate control .

devnull

Amazing thread.

AS others have said
1) SHould not need permission to open a window
2) Not sure why you think you don't need to pay? Nice if the driver offers but he doesn't have to.

OP, say you went into a clothes shop:

One of the staff accidentally steps on your toe. It hurts.

Do you then proceed to take a pair of jeans to the till and demand 30% off?

Going Forward

Did the driver deliberately catch your hand or was it accidental?
Who opened the window initially?

I would expect a driver to apologise for catching someones fingers in window, door, etc.

It is good manners to seek permission/notify the driver that you would like to operate the window mechanism.

Its also always best to pay your fare.

My own reading of this is that there is more to this than is being said here.
A driver making a genuine mistake verging on causing someobe an injury would most likely apologise for their mistake and round down the bill as a gesture of goodwill.

Terrontress

Going Forward wrote: »

It is good manners to seek permission/notify the driver that you would like to operate the window mechanism.

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When in a taxi, have you not hired the vehicle?

I would think that the driver should ask permission off the passenger to open the window and not vice versa.

If he's not charging you, fair enough, but if the meter is running then provided you are not damaging it, the car is as good as yours.

I can't see why you set the pain of your fingers to €2.05. Why not withhold the full amount? Or any other amount.

Where To

Terrontress wrote: »

When in a taxi, have you not hired the vehicle?

I would think that the driver should ask permission off the passenger to open the window and not vice versa.

If he's not charging you, fair enough, but if the meter is running then provided you are not damaging it, the car is as good as yours.

I can't see why you set the pain of your fingers to €2.05. Why not withhold the full amount? Or any other amount.

Where did you get this idea from?

The rights and responsibilties of customers are here;
http://www.transportforireland.ie/taxi/customers-rights-responsibilities

There's no mention of 'treat it as your own'.

A taxi is a means of conveyance, not a hotel room.

Terrontress

Where To wrote: »

Terrontress wrote: »

When in a taxi, have you not hired the vehicle?

I would think that the driver should ask permission off the passenger to open the window and not vice versa.

If he's not charging you, fair enough, but if the meter is running then provided you are not damaging it, the car is as good as yours.

I can't see why you set the pain of your fingers to €2.05. Why not withhold the full amount? Or any other amount.

Where did you get this idea from?

The rights and responsibilties of customers are here;
http://www.transportforireland.ie/taxi/customers-rights-responsibilities

There's no mention of 'treat it as your own'.

A taxi is a means of conveyance, not a hotel room.

I get the idea from the fact that I am hiring the vehicle and driver and deserve to be comfortable for my money paid over.

If I am paying and I want the window open, I will open it. I always sit in the back and if I want the heat on or the radio off I will instruct the driver to make the necessary adjustments.

If I want him to go a certain way, I will tell him to go there. If I want him to bring me to the back entrance, I'll tell him.

If I wish to take a phone call I will do so. I expect the driver not to take a phone call when I am in his car.


I think professional drivers would agree with me.

Where To

Terrontress wrote: »

I get the idea from the fact that I am hiring the vehicle and driver and deserve to be comfortable for my money paid over.

If I am paying and I want the window open, I will open it. I always sit in the back and if I want the heat on or the radio off I will instruct the driver to make the necessary adjustments.

If I want him to go a certain way, I will tell him to go there. If I want him to bring me to the back entrance, I'll tell him.

If I wish to take a phone call I will do so. I expect the driver not to take a phone call when I am in his car.


I think professional drivers would agree with me.

No arguments here about any of that. The driver is responsible for your comfort and safety.

But that's as far as it goes, you are paying for a service, the car is not 'yours'.

You are expected to behave in a civil and orderly manner also. In the OP's case, sticking their hand out the window doesn't seem very civil or orderly to me.

Terrontress

Where To wrote: »

Terrontress wrote: »

I get the idea from the fact that I am hiring the vehicle and driver and deserve to be comfortable for my money paid over.

If I am paying and I want the window open, I will open it. I always sit in the back and if I want the heat on or the radio off I will instruct the driver to make the necessary adjustments.

If I want him to go a certain way, I will tell him to go there. If I want him to bring me to the back entrance, I'll tell him.

If I wish to take a phone call I will do so. I expect the driver not to take a phone call when I am in his car.


I think professional drivers would agree with me.

No arguments here about any of that. The driver is responsible for your comfort and safety.

But that's as far as it goes, you are paying for a service, the car is not 'yours'.

You are expected to behave in a civil and orderly manner also. In the OP's case, sticking their hand out the window doesn't seem very civil or orderly to me.

To me it's the same as hiring a car from Avis or Hertz except you get a driver.

In an Avis car you do everything on your own terms. You're not allowed to smoke and if you spill your chicken curry over the seats, expect to pay for it.

I put my hand out the window or the sunroof of my car all the time so I would not see an issue with that being done by the OP.

Electric windows are designed not to decapitate kids whose necks so I can't see that in this instance the window can have done much damage to the op or the window regulator can't have been damaged much. If the OP was in the back seat, the driver mightn't have been aware that the hand was there but he should have asked permission to close the door.

In my opinion someone would not be justified in removing €2.05 off a fare for that. I just would not have paid him a tip. Giving him €8 and making sure I get my 95c back.

Ted_YNWA

Terrontress wrote: »

If I want him to go a certain way, I will tell him to go there. If I want him to take me up the back entrance, I'll tell him.

fyp

Alan70

Originally Posted by
Terrontress
If I want him to go a certain
way, I will tell him to go there.
If I want him to take me up the
back entrance, I'll tell him.

Fair enough

Terrontress

Ted_YNWA wrote: »

Terrontress wrote: »

If I want him to go a certain way, I will tell him to go there. If I want him to take me up the back entrance, I'll tell him.

fyp

Is this a euphamism for anal sex?

stacey25

you shouldnt have paid at all..

markpb

Where To wrote: »

You are expected to behave in a civil and orderly manner also. In the OP's case, sticking their hand out the window doesn't seem very civil or orderly to me.

Just when I thought this thread couldn't get any more daft, it does. Why on earth would putting your hand out the window be uncivil or disorderly? This is uncivil, this is not.

Ted_YNWA

Terrontress wrote: »

Is this a euphamism for anal sex?

hmmmm .....

Terrontress

Ted_YNWA wrote: »

Terrontress wrote: »

Is this a euphamism for anal sex?

hmmmm .....

I think it is Ted. And not a very clever or funny one at that.

Why not just ask me if I take it up the arse if that is your sort of thing?

Makes more sense than trying to twist innocuous posts to reference your more base desires.

Or you could go to one of the other sites which caters for that sort of thing. Or even find a man who would indulge your fantasies in the flesh instead of sitting in front of your computer and thinking about it.

Going Forward

Terrontress wrote: »

When in a taxi, have you not hired the vehicle?

No, you've hired a driver to bring you somewhere.

Terrontress wrote: »

I would think that the driver should ask permission off the passenger to open the window and not vice versa.

It works both ways, good manners would dictate that either party check with the other.

Terrontress wrote: »

I can't see why you set the pain of your fingers to €2.05. Why not withhold the full amount? Or any other amount.

If it was that sore why did you not get a medical report and put in a compo claim? Oh yeah, you'd be laughed out of court.

Useful tip: In future, keep digits, arms, limbs etc. INSIDE any moving vehicle.

You havent said, did the driver do this deliberately?

Terrontress

Going Forward wrote: »

No, you've hired a driver to bring you somewhere.

It works both ways, good manners would dictate that either party check with the other.




If it was that sore why did you not get a medical report and put in a compo claim? Oh yeah, you'd be laughed out of court.

Useful tip: In future, keep digits, arms, limbs etc. INSIDE any moving vehicle.

You havent said, did the driver do this deliberately?

I haven't said the driver did it at all. I think that if it did happen, and I am somewhat dubious as to its truthfulness, I'd imagine the OP was looking for a reason not to pay in the first place.

As regards the rest of your post, once the meter is running and I am going to pay what's on the meter then what the car and driver do for the duration of the journey is my choice.

The driver does not exist without the car.

wexford12

Another taxi bashing thread scum bag taxi drivers Bla Bla Bla

They way its going there will be no taxies left anyway so I would'nt worry about it

markpb

wexford12 wrote: »

Another taxi bashing thread scum bag taxi drivers Bla Bla Bla

Except, it's not.

They way its going there will be no taxies left anyway so I would'nt worry about it

Haha... you're having us on, right?

Pkiernan

OP - you are in effect a thief.

You stole €2.05 from the driver.

You do not have the authority nor the expertise to ascertain and impose punitive damages for your "sore" fingers.

You may think different, but you are absolutely 100% wrong if you do.

The cabbie should have called the Guards on you.

wexford12

markpb wrote: »

Except, it's not.



Haha... you're having us on, right?

Your right sure there is loads of money to be made you should jump on the gravy train. My advice would be to buy a licence and a 12 reg car and start making money

parsi

So...

.. if I feel the need for some fresh air I must ask the driver if I may open the window ?
.. if the driver feels the need to tell me his views on immigration he can just do it ?
.. Should I ask permission to open the door ?

oisindoyle

parsi wrote: »

So...

.. if I feel the need for some fresh air I must ask the driver if I may open the window ?
.. if the driver feels the need to tell me his views on immigration he can just do it ?
.. Should I ask permission to open the door ?

A) Yes,,,,,,,,,,,,, like the vast majority of people,it's manners and courtesy .Perhaps ypu never heard of it

B)Yes, in the same way passengers can get in drunk and be abusive racist smelly and the dirver has to just take it

C) Now you're being sacastic and silly.

parsi

oisindoyle wrote: »

parsi wrote: »

So...

.. if I feel the need for some fresh air I must ask the driver if I may open the window ?
.. if the driver feels the need to tell me his views on immigration he can just do it ?
.. Should I ask permission to open the door ?

A) Yes,,,,,,,,,,,,, like the vast majority of people,it's manners and courtesy .Perhaps ypu never heard of it

B)Yes, in the same way passengers can get in drunk and be abusive racist smelly and the dirver has to just take it

C) Now you're being sacastic and silly.

Should B not also have to do with this concept of manners that you have mentioned but don't seem to understand ?

In some countries drivers open the door for you . They also call to the house rather than hopping on the horn.

Terrontress

oisindoyle wrote: »

parsi wrote: »

So...

.. if I feel the need for some fresh air I must ask the driver if I may open the window ?
.. if the driver feels the need to tell me his views on immigration he can just do it ?
.. Should I ask permission to open the door ?

A) Yes,,,,,,,,,,,,, like the vast majority of people,it's manners and courtesy .Perhaps ypu never heard of it

B)Yes, in the same way passengers can get in drunk and be abusive racist smelly and the dirver has to just take it

C) Now you're being sacastic and silly.

Ah come on now, the racist immigration taxi driver and passenger being abusive, racist and smelly are both in the minority.

As regards drunkenness, if they were stone cold sober they would probably drive their cars home instead of taking a taxi or not stay out so late and there would be even less work for taxi drivers. If a taxi driver has an issue with drunken customers then he is in the wrong job.

As regards the window, I'm sure I've done it before with no negative reaction from the driver. If there is a gale or snowstorm then fair enough but opening the window of a car which I have hired is not bad manners or a discourtesy.