Alan Pardew

Gringo180

Arsenal fan here but just thought Pardew deserves a thread on his own with the job he's done at Newcastle, he's turned that club right around and I hope they finish 4th and get Champions League football its the least there amazing fans deserve.

Also whoever is head scout at Newcastle I want him at Arsenal Some of there signings the past few years have been real gems.

That_Guy

Our chief scout is Graham Carr.... and yes, he is Alan Carr's dad.

Giggsy11

He should win 'Manager of the year' award IMO.

mike65

That_Guy wrote: »

Our chief scout is Graham Carr.... and yes, he is Alan Carr's dad.

Glad you got that out of the way early doors!

He's doing a great job, when Chris Hughton got binned I was both surprised and thought it a stupid decision, well be it by luck or judgement Mike Ashley got it right (wonder did Carr have something to do with the appointment?). No doubt if the Magpies finish in a Euro position (whichever competition) we'll get a better idea of his true talents as a squad motivator, tactician and plate spinner with so many more games to stay on top of.

Gringo180

That_Guy wrote: »

Our chief scout is Graham Carr.... and yes, he is Alan Carr's dad.

Doing an amazing job he is, as is Pardew (who is my vote for manager of the year if Newcastle keep this form up)

Just looking at your remaining fixtures Stoke and Wigan up next and then 3 real tough games in May (Chelsea A, City H, and Everton A)

I reckon 11 points from them 5 games will get yous Champs Lge footy next season.

SeantheMan

Him or Brendan Rodgers for Manager of the Year

Dercola

I will admit that Pardew has proved me wrong this year. I'll admit that as an Arsenal fan, I don't know the goings on at Newcastle. But I fully expected them to crash and burn after the shoddy way they treated Hughton. Credit to Pardew tho, as he now has them in the assendency.

On a different note, am I the only one that thinks he's a momumental tw@? He's had his fair share of run ins with fellow managers, and they all seem to be something about nothing..

He does deserve manager of the year imo..

Corvo

Agree, he has done amazingly and they play some top class football.

I'm going to get flailed for this but credit to Ashley too. He has drove up their revenue and obviously allowed major investment in both the scouting network and the players they target.

keano_afc

Personally I'm not a Pardew fan but he has done a great job. I thought the African Cup of Nations for Nations from Africa winning a Cup would really hurt them, but what a buy Cisse has been. He's single handedly gotten me back in the race in all my FF leagues, never mind what he's done for his team.

steelcityblues

I'll admit I didn't think the guy was much use as a manager before coming to St James' Park.

But he has obviously changed his coaching methods in some way in the last 12 months. Credit to him.

cgpg5

Has to get manager of the year no question. Doubted him when he took over but what a season he's had. Don't mean to sound negative but next season is the test. With a great possibility of European football and more fixtures it'll be interesting to see how he does. Remember he'd a super year with West ham when they came up- it all went pearshaped the season after though

Anyone

He's done a great job, cant argue that....however, he has been a bit lucky in some cases, especially with Ba and Cabaye, both of whom had major worries with injuries. But he took some punts and they paid off, his punt on Marveaux hasnt though.

Another thing, he has no pressure at that job, Newc were fancied to be battling for survival given the players that they had sold at the start of the season. Will be interesting to see how Newcastle go next year when the pressure is on(if i remember rightly, he didnt handle the pressure at West Ham all that well).

ambid

Gringo180 wrote: »

Arsenal fan here but just thought Pardew deserves a thread on his own with the job he's done at Newcastle, he's turned that club right around and I hope they finish 4th and get Champions League football its the least there amazing fans deserve.

Also whoever is head scout at Newcastle I want him at Arsenal Some of there signings the past few years have been real gems.

Well said. Pardew has been excellent this season.

I would argue a little on the point that "he's turned that club right around", as they had probably been turned around by Ashley and Hughton, but Pardew has definitely continued and enhanced that work.

The unfairly criticised Ashley deserves a lot of credit too. When he took over they were unsuccessful and losing money; and now they are about to break even and are successful. Bringing in young, hungry players and refusing to pay daft money is a nice change in the Premier League. He has made an awful lot of mistakes but he has learned from them I guess.

Pardew's choice of players and gameplan are great to watch though. I hope Newcastle are very successful.

Rekop dog

It's possible to be lucky with signings over a one season sample and imo they're in a false position due to some badly under performing teams, so whilst a certain amount of credit must be given to all involved, I'd hold short on making any definitive judgement of Pardew at this stage.

cgpg5

Rekop dog wrote: »

It's possible to be lucky with signings over a one season sample and imo they're in a false position due to some badly under performing teams, so whilst a certain amount of credit must be given to all involved, I'd hold short on making any definitive judgement of Pardew at this stage.

Many had us down to be pushing for relegation this season. Offloading Barton and Nolan was perceived as madness and even the most optimistic of fans couldn't see us coming top ten. Yet we're in with a right shout of Europe and have just won 5 on the bounce and with two nice fixtures coming up. Were unbeaten till about November. Your being incredibly unfair on saying we're in a "false positions" imo.

Nailz

Not a fan of the man, but he is indeed doing a great job at Newcastle. The same could be said for all the backroom staff and Graham Carr, it would be really interesting to see them in the Champions League next year. Themselves, Spurs and City in the European Cup would be a nice little turn around with regards the participating English teams over the last decade.

But as long as United are in it year-in year-out, I don't really give a fuck either way...

That_Guy

Rekop dog wrote: »

they're in a false position

Bollocks

Sappy404

Giggsy11 wrote: »

He should win 'Manager of the year' award IMO.

Pardew has done really well but most of the credit goes to Carr and the scouting team IMO. It's not like Pardew turned their fortunes around completely - they're as good as they are because of their midfield, Tiote and Cabaye in particular. The players they've added around them like Ba, Cisse, Ben Arfa (permanently) etc have obviously not hurt either, but when you've a central midfield like that, you've got the engine of the team in place. And when you consider the money they were bought for, the scouting team have been brilliant.

It also doesn't hurt when you bring through a revelatory young goalkeeper.

Pighead

Amazing how he has turned it around in fairness. Remember the outcry when he was first appointed. Frothed mouths and angry words all over the place. Have removed the names of all quotes as to be fair I was probably thinking along the same lines as the majority here.

Alan Pardew? This has to be a joke surely? He's a dreadful manager with a shocking, shocking record. Not good enough for Charlton or Southampton, but good enough for Newcastle to sack a manager who has performed minor miracles there. Insane.

Hiring Alan Pardew would be really amazing fail. Hard to wrap my head around the whole situation to be honest!

And the worse thing is that he's been a flop at each and every one of those clubs after Reading. Even Bryan Robson would be a better option.

I agree with the sentiment though, it'd be ludricous to view him as a step up from Hughton.

Pleeeease don't let it be Pardew!

Alan Pardew is as uninspiring a name as I can think of, at least klinsmann is showbiz which Mike Ashley would like.

I can't believe it.

Pardew sat in the wings waiting for Chris to be shot in the back.

Judas scum. Nothing more. Nothing less.

Really feel for the players, seeing such a great guy getting treated like this and then being presented with an absolute FAILURE as their new manager.

But again, completely uninspiring appointment. He doesn't come across as a particularly likeable chap, and given the affinity of the players towards Hughton, you really have to wonder if they'll pull together for him. Cannot see anything but tears at the end of this one.

5 and a half year contract for Pardew. I'm disgusted.

A 5 and a half year contract? Mike Ashley has lost his mind. I hope Newcastle supporters boycott as their club has turned into an absolute sham.

Haha what a cruel joke on the fans

worst. appointment. ever.

if it comes off, somehow, it'd be down to sheer luck.

there is no suggestion in Pardew's CV that he can do this job even as well as Hughton, never mind better.

Ashley has thrown all that out the door, and i can't imagine any rational explanation for it. if he'd got Jol, fair enough. O'Neill even, fine. but Alan Pardew? ALAN PARDEW?!

Giggsy11

Sappy404 wrote: »

Pardew has done really well but most of the credit goes to Carr and the scouting team IMO. It's not like Pardew turned their fortunes around completely - they're as good as they are because of their midfield, Tiote and Cabaye in particular. The players they've added around them like Ba, Cisse, Ben Arfa (permanently) etc have obviously not hurt either, but when you've a central midfield like that, you've got the engine of the team in place. And when you consider the money they were bought for, the scouting team have been brilliant.

It also doesn't hurt when you bring through a revelatory young goalkeeper.

Carr for the scout of the year?

Will I Amnt

He didn't have a great track record up until now but fair play to him for what he's done.
Newcastle have overtaken Tottenham as my favourite team to watch in the EPL,excluding my own of course.

happyman81

Rekop dog wrote: »

It's possible to be lucky with signings over a one season sample and imo they're in a false position due to some badly under performing teams, so whilst a certain amount of credit must be given to all involved, I'd hold short on making any definitive judgement of Pardew at this stage.

What utter horse****. The league doesn't lie. The underperforming teams (Liverpool) are simply not good teams. End of.

Fowler87

SeantheMan wrote: »

Him or Brendan Rodgers for Manager of the Year

Lambert trumps Rodgers imho

happyman81

Pighead wrote: »

Amazing how he has turned it around in fairness. Remember the outcry when he was first appointed. Frothed mouths and angry words all over the place. Have removed the names of all quotes as to be fair I was probably thinking along the same lines as the majority here.

Alan Pardew? This has to be a joke surely? He's a dreadful manager with a shocking, shocking record. Not good enough for Charlton or Southampton, but good enough for Newcastle to sack a manager who has performed minor miracles there. Insane.

Hiring Alan Pardew would be really amazing fail. Hard to wrap my head around the whole situation to be honest!

And the worse thing is that he's been a flop at each and every one of those clubs after Reading. Even Bryan Robson would be a better option.

I agree with the sentiment though, it'd be ludricous to view him as a step up from Hughton.

Pleeeease don't let it be Pardew!

Alan Pardew is as uninspiring a name as I can think of, at least klinsmann is showbiz which Mike Ashley would like.

I can't believe it.

Pardew sat in the wings waiting for Chris to be shot in the back.

Judas scum. Nothing more. Nothing less.

Really feel for the players, seeing such a great guy getting treated like this and then being presented with an absolute FAILURE as their new manager.

But again, completely uninspiring appointment. He doesn't come across as a particularly likeable chap, and given the affinity of the players towards Hughton, you really have to wonder if they'll pull together for him. Cannot see anything but tears at the end of this one.

5 and a half year contract for Pardew. I'm disgusted.

A 5 and a half year contract? Mike Ashley has lost his mind. I hope Newcastle supporters boycott as their club has turned into an absolute sham.

Haha what a cruel joke on the fans

worst. appointment. ever.

if it comes off, somehow, it'd be down to sheer luck.

there is no suggestion in Pardew's CV that he can do this job even as well as Hughton, never mind better.

Ashley has thrown all that out the door, and i can't imagine any rational explanation for it. if he'd got Jol, fair enough. O'Neill even, fine. but Alan Pardew? ALAN PARDEW?!

I may be among those names, as they echo my sentiments at the time. I am happy to admit that I was sooo wrong.

JoeA3

He had a great first season in the PL with West Ham too remember. They were unlucky to lose the FA cup that season too and played great stuff.

But the hammers brought in Tevez and Mascherano the next season, Pardrew hardly played them, the results weren't great and he was sacked by Xmas.

Ganymede Glow

Although Pardew is doing well its Graham Carr who has done a great job. Still not convinced about Pardew, his managerial record aint nothing to write home about but I'll admit he is having a great season. If he can hold onto them players and push them on again next season i'll hold my hands up.

HalloweenJack

Honestly thought it was a ridiculous appointment (the sacking, even more so) but, in fairness, to him, he's done a great job this year.

Him, Lambert or Rogers should get MOTY.

That_Guy

Ganymede Glow wrote: »

Although Pardew is doing well its Graham Carr who has done a great job. Still not convinced about Pardew, his managerial record aint nothing to write home about but I'll admit he is having a great season. If he can hold onto them players and push them on again next season i'll hold my hands up.

While Carr has gotten us some exceptional talent, it's Pardew who gets them motivated and works with the players day in and day out. Tactically he has been spot on throughout the season.

Man United, Stoke, Swansea and West Brom are key examples and has the team set up perfectly most of the time.

His man management has been excellent and has worked wonders with Ben Arfa who is now taking his chance and keeping his name in the squad week in and week out now.

happyman81

That_Guy wrote: »

Ganymede Glow wrote: »

Although Pardew is doing well its Graham Carr who has done a great job. Still not convinced about Pardew, his managerial record aint nothing to write home about but I'll admit he is having a great season. If he can hold onto them players and push them on again next season i'll hold my hands up.

While Carr has gotten us some exceptional talent, it's Pardew who gets them motivated and works with the players day in and day out. Tactically he has been spot on throughout the season.

Man United, Stoke, Swansea and West Brom are key examples and has the team set up perfectly most of the time.

His man management has been excellent and has worked wonders with Ben Arfa who is now taking his chance and keeping his name in the squad week in and week out now.

That's true. He was under a lot of pressure to play Ben Arfa after the Blackburn goal, but he said he would not start games until his work rate improved. Ben Arfa has certainly improved in that department, annd it was something absent from his game at Lyon and mArseille.

eagle eye

November 2011: City are going to run away with the league, Mancini is a great manager! Steve Kean is the worst manager of all time!

January 2012: Redknapp is great! Sack Wenger!

March 2012: Wenger is great! Sack Dalglish!

April 2012: Pardew is great! Sack Dalglish! Sack Mancini!

Looking forward to May......

Rekop dog

happyman81 wrote: »

What utter horse****. The league doesn't lie. The underperforming teams (Liverpool) are simply not good teams. End of.

Chelsea have been in disarray this season, you'd want to be insane to not think they're massively under-performing. I don't think it's too controversial a point I've made, and I'm not belittling Newcastle's achievements this year, they've done well to take advantage the situation.

NIMAN

Prediction: he will get the sack from Newcastle before his contract is up.

That_Guy

eagle eye wrote: »

November 2011: City are going to run away with the league, Mancine is a great manager! Steve Kean is the worst manager of all time!

January 2012: Redknapp is great! Sack Wenger!

March 2012: Wenger is great! Sack Dalglish!

April 2012: Pardew is great! Sack Dalglish! Sack Mancini!

Looking forward to May......

Sack McLeish.

Samich

Surely Newcastle have scouts in Germany and not just Graham Carr, why is he getting the pundits?

opr

I don't think Newcastles points per game is much lower if at all to teams in previous seasons who have got fourth.

Opr

RasTa

I backed them to be relegated at the start of the season given what had happened, thought 12/1 was value. Turns out I was

joe123

Rekop dog wrote: »

It's possible to be lucky with signings over a one season sample and imo they're in a false position due to some badly under performing teams, so whilst a certain amount of credit must be given to all involved, I'd hold short on making any definitive judgement of Pardew at this stage.

I thought this for a while too. The more ive seen of Newcastle though the more I disagree.

They have some quality players in that side now. Nearly to the point where they have overtaken Liverpool completley in terms of quality.

The play some lovely football too. Chelsea and Liverpool under performing has definitely helped Newcastles cause but they really look like a good side now.

Question is will they be able to hang on to the likes of Ben Arfa,Tiote,Cabaye,Collocini,Krul and Ba. (cisse is a safer bet for next season with him only signing in Jan)


They have a great little RB in Simpson too.

Ashley has the potential to ruin it all however.

cgpg5

Fowler87 wrote: »

Lambert trumps Rodgers imho

And doesn't get half the plaudits which is highly unfair imo

jacool

cgpg5 wrote: »

And doesn't get half the plaudits which is highly unfair imo

Bet Norwich fans love it like that. They want him to stay.
Rodgers was being linked with the Tottenham job when 'Arry was England bound.

amacachi

opr wrote: »

I don't think Newcastles points per game is much lower if at all to teams in previous seasons who have got fourth.

Opr

At this point last season they'd be 4th.

cgpg5

jacool wrote: »

Bet Norwich fans love it like that. They want him to stay.
Rodgers was being linked with the Tottenham job when 'Arry was England bound.

Exactly! Imho Swansea will plummet next season but I can't see it happening to Norwich. They don't get half as much plaudits as Swansea and I feel that's a good thing. They are a very tough team to beat and play a brand of football that ensures no-one beats them easy yet they still can graft out wins. Swansea imo aren't grafters and I think they'll be found out next season like Blackpool, Burnley, Hull, Reading, Ipswich etc.

Norwich are more like Stoke. Just that they play better football

plasmaguy

England job for Pardew anyone?

Done a top job in first full season.

I think Harry Redknapp is a busted flush at this stage of the season.

Tipping Newcastle to take 4th spot, momentum definitely with them.

gav86

That_Guy wrote: »

While Carr has gotten us some exceptional talent, it's Pardew who gets them motivated and works with the players day in and day out. Tactically he has been spot on throughout the season.

Man United, Stoke, Swansea and West Brom are key examples and has the team set up perfectly most of the time.

West Brom at home, he got the tactics all wrong. Spurs away and Fulham are other examples, I agree that the majority of the time he has got it right but there is always the other side. He has players who will do a job for the team, Ba on the left for example, Jonas at LB or midfield, Raylor and Perch can play anywhere in the back or midfield. Can change formation as well which is always useful.

I think his motivation of the players (especially Ben Arfa) is what has made Newcastle tick this year and there seems a good mood in the camp apart from Ba spat.. need to get him scoring again. His touch hasnt been great recently.

NIMAN

I hope he gets the England job.

Pardew is on a good run, but it'll not last.

His win stats as a manager:
Reading 48%
West Ham 41%
Charlton 31%
Southampton 53%
Newcastle 42% (currently).

Nothing special.

Cardinal Richelieu

plasmaguy wrote: »

England job for Pardew anyone?

Done a top job in first full season.

I think Harry Redknapp is a busted flush at this stage of the season.

Tipping Newcastle to take 4th spot, momentum definitely with them.

I would like to see him get it but whoever gets the England job really hasn't got much time to do anything, that could work for or against him but it depends on the English Press as ever.

eugeneious

NIMAN wrote: »

I hope he gets the England job.

Pardew is on a good run, but it'll not last.

His win stats as a manager:
Reading 48%
West Ham 41%
Charlton 31%
Southampton 53%
Newcastle 42% (currently).

Nothing special.

I seen yesterday that he has a better win % than 'Arry

NIMAN

I also think 'Arry is overrated too.

Is he better than 'Arry this season or in his entire career?

eugeneious

NIMAN wrote: »

I also think 'Arry is overrated too.

Is he better than 'Arry this season or in his entire career?

Over his entire career.

NIMAN

Not surprised really to hear that.

'Arry was really only hot property last couple of seasons. Before that nothing special. Claim to fame probably winning FA Cup with Portsmouth.

Vurnon San Benito

If I ever heard such nonsense about being 'lucky' to be in the position we are.

You make your own luck, simple as.

Stripped of our 'best players' in Nolan, Carroll, Barton & Enrique - the scouting team replaced them with better players, on less money, and for fractions of what we received for their predecessors.

Pardew has done a phenomenal job given the circumstances - and unlike managers of past bar Hughton, he is executing a plan that has been laid out for NUFC from the top down.

He's a no brainer for manger of the season for me - Lambert a close second.
Rodgers in 3rd, he just needs more talented players to cause a real threat to the top half.

Been a great season thus far, 4th would be the icing on the cake!