Incident Canada Square

_ricochet_

Just went into Canada Square there now Garda preserving a crime scene, one whole section taped off. 3 areas conned off and covered with a tarp. Something serious by the looks of it.

Professey Chin

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3 people stabbed in an attack in waterford city in an appartment last night, one stabbed in neck, all stable in WRH, one man arrested

CardBordWindow

A game of knifey-spoony got out of hand!

abouttobebanned

Irish people - 6/1
Foreign Nationals - 1/10

mike65

Alcohol 2/1
Dry house 10/1

batm!ke

mike65 wrote: »

Alcohol 2/1
Dry house 100/1

FYP

abouttobebanned

That has the makings of a nice double Mike

CardBordWindow

RTE are reporting it now.
http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0410/waterford-knife-attack.html

Gardaí received a report of a disturbance at Neptune House in Canada Square shortly before midnight.
A 38-year-old man was found with a deep cut to his throat. He was taken to Waterford Regional Hospital and underwent emergency surgery.
A 24-year-old man and a 21-year-old woman were also taken to hospital with cuts to the face and underarm.
Gardaí say all three are in a stable condition.
A 26-year-old man was arrested a short distance from the scene and is currently being detained at Waterford Garda Station.
Gardaí are appealing for witnesses to contact them on 051 305300.
The three injured people are from the Ferrybank area.
Gardaí say it is believed all four people were known to each other.

What were the odds?

Yes Boss

CardBordWindow wrote: »

RTE are reporting it now.
http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0410/waterford-knife-attack.html



What were the odds?

abouttobebanned was correct - Foreign Nationals (Ferrybank)...:)

ziedth

Madness,

Canada square is down behind the tower hotel right?

CardBordWindow

ziedth wrote: »

Madness,

Canada square is down behind the tower hotel right?

Behind the Marina Hotel /Quality Hotel.

ziedth

That's the one,

I get that area mixed up easily enough.

Max Powers

ziedth wrote: »

That's the one,

I get that area mixed up easily enough.

I read an article recently about the top Cork Garda saying violence has gone up in Cork recently as he has noticed a change in behaviours, a move towards more aggressive behaviour. Its obviously not just a Cork phenomenon. Whats causing this?
- increased violence on TV/games
- increased drug/drink abuse
- seems to be slack sentancing for similar serious violence/knife violence
- people want instant gratification, unable or dont have the attention span that people had before information was so easily available.
- I would add : The influence of images on screen like rappers who disgustingly flaunt material wealth, material wealth they rap about got thru violence/dealin etc. Women seen as basically money grabbing prostitutes. You could put up a range of other pathetic role-models too, the likes of some premiership footballers for a start.

This is a wide issue, obviously, I like some rap (more the older stuff) and i know a lot of rap/hip-hop is about more than drugs/women/guns etc and has tackled numerous social issues such as racisim. Rap deserves serious credit for that and lets be clear, im not calling for a footloose style outlawing of rap/HH.

daenerysstormborn3

I think it's more to do with the fact that people are more cowardly these days and resort to weapons to resolve things because people want to look "hard". 15 years ago there was no where near the amount of knife crime and gun crime in Ireland but that's not to say there wasn't a serious amount of crime in general.

People used to sort out their differences either verbally or through a punch up and shake hands afterwards (I'm not saying there wasn't a smaller percentage of knife/gun crime), now it's people trying to act "hard" and picking fights with people and the fight is broken up and 10 minutes later someone returns with a knife and attacks the person (you hear of this type of scenario a lot in news reports).

I think crime in general has probably increased throughout the recession. I also think it would be interesting to see some stats on whether crime has increased since the reduction in Social Welfare payment for Under 21s (I think it was Under 21s, it may have been Under 23s) in the Budget.

I wouldn't really rate the influence of rappers on crime in Ireland, maybe in America but I don't think rappers have that type of influence over here. Maybe I'm wrong though.

Speak Now

mike65 wrote: »

Alcohol 2/1
Dry house 10/1

Nice overround

lassykk

Any names released yet?

mike65

Max Powers wrote: »

I read an article recently about the top Cork Garda saying violence has gone up in Cork recently as he has noticed a change in behaviours, a move towards more aggressive behaviour. Its obviously not just a Cork phenomenon. Whats causing this?
- increased violence on TV/games
- increased drug/drink abuse
- seems to be slack sentancing for similar serious violence/knife violence
- people want instant gratification, unable or dont have the attention span that people had before information was so easily available.
- I would add : The influence of images on screen like rappers who disgustingly flaunt material wealth, material wealth they rap about got thru violence/dealin etc. Women seen as basically money grabbing prostitutes. You could put up a range of other pathetic role-models too, the likes of some premiership footballers for a start.

This is a wide issue, obviously, I like some rap (more the older stuff) and i know a lot of rap/hip-hop is about more than drugs/women/guns etc and has tackled numerous social issues such as racisim. Rap deserves serious credit for that and lets be clear, im not calling for a footloose style outlawing of rap/HH.

Yeah its the rap, before that it was Black Metal, before that hippies and their damned LSD, before that Mods & Rockers, before that jazz and Satanic Delta Blues :rolleyes:

CardBordWindow

mike65 wrote: »

Yeah its the rap, before that it was Black Metal, before that hippies and their damned LSD, before that Mods & Rockers, before that jazz and Satanic Delta Blues :rolleyes:

Careful now!

daenerysstormborn3

lassykk wrote: »

This post has been deleted.

I know two of the people involved. I doubt names will be released. I assume names are only released if the parties involved are interested in pursuing a case.

Media999

Max Powers wrote: »

I read an article recently about the top Cork Garda saying violence has gone up in Cork recently as he has noticed a change in behaviours, a move towards more aggressive behaviour. Its obviously not just a Cork phenomenon. Whats causing this?
- increased violence on TV/games
- increased drug/drink abuse
- seems to be slack sentancing for similar serious violence/knife violence
- people want instant gratification, unable or dont have the attention span that people had before information was so easily available.
- I would add : The influence of images on screen like rappers who disgustingly flaunt material wealth, material wealth they rap about got thru violence/dealin etc. Women seen as basically money grabbing prostitutes. You could put up a range of other pathetic role-models too, the likes of some premiership footballers for a start.

This is a wide issue, obviously, I like some rap (more the older stuff) and i know a lot of rap/hip-hop is about more than drugs/women/guns etc and has tackled numerous social issues such as racisim. Rap deserves serious credit for that and lets be clear, im not calling for a footloose style outlawing of rap/HH.

Nothing to do with the fact the civilized world is disintegrating and people have no future no? Ireland is the arse of Europe and Waterford is the arse of Ireland

Blame Jay-Z yeah .

Tragamin2k2

Max Powers wrote: »

I read an article recently about the top Cork Garda saying violence has gone up in Cork recently as he has noticed a change in behaviours, a move towards more aggressive behaviour. Its obviously not just a Cork phenomenon. Whats causing this?
- increased violence on TV/games
- increased drug/drink abuse
- seems to be slack sentancing for similar serious violence/knife violence
- people want instant gratification, unable or dont have the attention span that people had before information was so easily available.
- I would add : The influence of images on screen like rappers who disgustingly flaunt material wealth, material wealth they rap about got thru violence/dealin etc. Women seen as basically money grabbing prostitutes. You could put up a range of other pathetic role-models too, the likes of some premiership footballers for a start.

This is a wide issue, obviously, I like some rap (more the older stuff) and i know a lot of rap/hip-hop is about more than drugs/women/guns etc and has tackled numerous social issues such as racisim. Rap deserves serious credit for that and lets be clear, im not calling for a footloose style outlawing of rap/HH.

hahahaahahah aw

go back to 1997

merlante

I love the way a few people get stabbed and all of a sudden every pet theory in the book gets an airing. All sorts of psychological theories, social and economic trends. Violence happens. It always did happen, it was always this bad, it hasn't gotten worse and it always will happen, probably at more or less the same level, or less (if CCTV, tracking, micro-chipping, thought crime, etc. kick in big time!) in the future, and it will always be senseless. And there will always be people saying "back in my day, when two lads can a disagreement, they played a game of conkers and the loser got a chinese burn..."

But... if you want a believable pet theory: more than likely it was between two men over a woman, with a few drinks as the accelerant, and a friend or two in the mix. Basically, like about 90% of all disputes in this town and every other town in Ireland. (That, or drugs.)

Elbows22

I reckon i missed it by about 10-15 minutes.

hardybuck

I think we can all agree on one thing, punishments that have been handed out thus far for knife crime have been far too lenient.

Simple possession of a blade without good reason (I've come home from work with a Stanley in my pocket without realising) should result in you being locked up for a few months, or at the very least some serious community service time.

TheGormog

I wouldn't really rate the influence of rappers on crime in Ireland, maybe in America but I don't think rappers have that type of influence over here. Maybe I'm wrong though.

Waterford United have gone to ****e since 50 Cent togged out at the RSC.

Down with this sort of thing!

Elbows22

TheGormog wrote: »

Waterford United have gone to ****e since 50 Cent togged out at the RSC.

Down with this sort of thing!

Waterford United were always ****e dude :cool:

daenerysstormborn3

Thankfully the one remaining in hospital should be released tomorrow or Thursday at the latest.

Potential-Monke

hardybuck wrote: »

Simple possession of a blade without good reason (I've come home from work with a Stanley in my pocket without realising) should result in you being locked up for a few months, or at the very least some serious community service time.

Section 9 of the Firearms and Offensive Weapons Act 1990 covers that, anyone caight with a knife or other pointed instrument, without reasonable excuse (carpenter having a Stanley, leccy having a snip nose pliers, etc) or without the excuse for work or recreational purposes (gutting knife on a fisherman), you can get 12 months and/or €5000 fine.

If it can be proved that you had it with the intent of using it to harm someone, it's 5 years.

Max Powers

merlante wrote: »

I love the way a few people get stabbed and all of a sudden every pet theory in the book gets an airing. All sorts of psychological theories, social and economic trends. Violence happens. It always did happen, it was always this bad, it hasn't gotten worse and it always will happen, probably at more or less the same level, or less (if CCTV, tracking, micro-chipping, thought crime, etc. kick in big time!) in the future, and it will always be senseless. And there will always be people saying "back in my day, when two lads can a disagreement, they played a game of conkers and the loser got a chinese burn..."

But... if you want a believable pet theory: more than likely it was between two men over a woman, with a few drinks as the accelerant, and a friend or two in the mix. Basically, like about 90% of all disputes in this town and every other town in Ireland. (That, or drugs.)

Thats funny in fairness Merlante.
Media 999, thanks for the well-considered intelligent rebuttle:D.

I dunno, this Garda would have seen it all from the 70s onwards, thru recessions, emigration etc so i would be taking his word over others on here so I would disagree with aggression levels have stayed the same. There must be an increase in serious assaults in last 10 years. What other factors have added to the mix? I dont buy the unemployment one, which was there all thru the 70/80s and trotted out by the rioters in London as their excuse (which Sky news basically told them to say).
With the music thing and having read up a small bit about it, a lot of opinion says that it shouldnt affect behaviour in most people but it can those with easily influenced minds (for want of a better phrase). Same goes for the video games. One person i read says the simple thing most will notice: Years ago, certain images would be disturbing/shocking to most of us but the visual bombardment of the images over last 10+ years have de-sensitised the majority to it.

hardybuck

Potential-Monke wrote: »

Section 9 of the Firearms and Offensive Weapons Act 1990 covers that, anyone caight with a knife or other pointed instrument, without reasonable excuse (carpenter having a Stanley, leccy having a snip nose pliers, etc) or without the excuse for work or recreational purposes (gutting knife on a fisherman), you can get 12 months and/or €5000 fine.

If it can be proved that you had it with the intent of using it to harm someone, it's 5 years.

Fantastic, would be great if our judges would inforce the above to it's maximum then. Pity that our prisons are overcrowded.

Max Powers

Potential-Monke wrote: »

Section 9 of the Firearms and Offensive Weapons Act 1990 covers that, anyone caight with a knife or other pointed instrument, without reasonable excuse (carpenter having a Stanley, leccy having a snip nose pliers, etc) or without the excuse for work or recreational purposes (gutting knife on a fisherman), you can get 12 months and/or €5000 fine.

If it can be proved that you had it with the intent of using it to harm someone, it's 5 years.

No where near enough, up to 12 months usually means a slap on the wrist. The Gardai should be going around stopping people randomly, if caught, they should be (since no prison space) sent out to pick up all the rubbish on a 5 mile stretch of road red square or somehting (9-5) and kept at until the place is spotless.

anbodhran

Max Powers wrote: »

No where near enough, up to 12 months usually means a slap on the wrist. The Gardai should be going around stopping people randomly, if caught, they should be (since no prison space) sent out to pick up all the rubbish on a 5 mile stretch of road red square or somehting (9-5) and kept at until the place is spotless.

The Drug Squad regularly stop lads and search them apparently. There should be patrols of the subarbs who stop and search people hanging around on corners. It might be invasive, but it would at least send out the message that they were taking the issue seriously. Obviously resources are tight currently, but I've seen way too many lads looking idle around the place to believe their superiors couldn't get more from the force.

With regard to picking up rubbish, the problem there is that the city council already employ staff to do that. You'd have trade union disputes if you brought convicts in. They could and should be brought out to do one off jobs like clean up projects of Tramore, Woodstown, Comeraghs, graffiti etc.

merlante

Max Powers wrote: »

Thats funny in fairness Merlante.
Media 999, thanks for the well-considered intelligent rebuttle:D.

I dunno, this Garda would have seen it all from the 70s onwards, thru recessions, emigration etc so i would be taking his word over others on here so I would disagree with aggression levels have stayed the same. There must be an increase in serious assaults in last 10 years. What other factors have added to the mix? I dont buy the unemployment one, which was there all thru the 70/80s and trotted out by the rioters in London as their excuse (which Sky news basically told them to say).

Well up until the 90's nobody would call the gards in on anything unless it was a murder. And if they were called in, chances are it was a few slaps here and there and off the record. As a kid I can remember plenty of people getting hidings and sorting things out personally and I rarely saw a cop, let alone enforcing anything. The gardai were the fellas that set up checkpoints on the Dunmore rd. checking for a whole bunch of things on your car that were probably broken, and generally made your parents scramble for seat belts (that were also broken). It was a different world back then, and a pretty lawless one really -- except that the law was maintained by the community directly most of the time, and people wouldn't even know what an assault was because most people would have gotten into some scrape or other at some point and it was normal.

Going back to the 50's, my grandfather was apparently challenged to a fight, just for moving 'out of town' (to Congress place) and there was some issue with children fighting. So he knocked out a few of yer man's teeth and they were the best of friends after that. Another time the lights went out in a chipper and he got the **** kicked out of him. I can assure you the gards never would have heard about either incident. Just like they wouldn't have heard a peep about the serial rape going on around the corner in some industrial school or other, or indeed, in the odd family home. Needless to say that there was no amount of domestic abuse that would bring the cops within the mile of a house (parodied on a 'savage eye' the other night). At the turn of the century, apparently, people used to travel to market towns on trains for miles around with hooks and other weapons (as the travelers still do) and have massive gang fights just for the hell of it. And remember, people were well up for 'risings', wars of independence and civil wars for the sake of ideas that 90% of us wouldn't take so much as a clip on the ear for now.

So, while there may be an escalation in certain types of violence and certain incidents, society is *much* less violent now than it was. That's probably why we're so shocked by it. Most people on here have probably never been in a fight as an adult. That would have been rare in the past.