NWO preferred methods of control..OS/EH

afrodub

Having taken the time recently to research further the widespread online allegations of what is termed Organised Stalking and of Electronic harassment, I am now more open to the belief that these are the primary `methods` being employed to enforce the planned NWO.

afrodub

afrodub wrote: »

Having taken the time recently to research further the widespread online allegations of what is termed Organised Stalking and of Electronic harassment, I am now more open to the belief that these are the primary `methods` being employed to enforce the planned NWO.

So how do you think the NWO or whoever is able to recurit millions of people (which would be required if all the claims of organised stalking and such were true) to invest thier time and effort to attack random people and keep it quiet?

Are you also open to the belief that the people who claim to be victims of organised stalking are overly paranoid and/or have mental problems?

CiaranMT

And what is the planned New World Order, anyway?

weisses

CiaranMT wrote: »

And what is the planned New World Order, anyway?

Try Google

hooradiation

CiaranMT wrote: »

And what is the planned New World Order, anyway?

It's whatever you want it to be.

Jonny7

hooradiation wrote: »

It's whatever you want it to be.

Taking a wild guess it will be something along these lines..

1/ Shadowy
2/ Secret
3/ All powerful
4/ Evil
5/ Based on suspicion, paranoia, and a yearning for it to exist

weisses

Jonny7 wrote: »

Taking a wild guess it will be something along these lines..

1/ Shadowy
2/ Secret
3/ All powerful
4/ Evil
5/ Based on suspicion, paranoia, and a yearning for it to exist

You were starting great but what an awful finish

Jonny7

weisses wrote: »

You were starting great but what an awful finish

How else do you describe something that only exists in people's heads

At least Fox News scare stories have some fact in them.

CiaranMT

weisses wrote: »

Try Google

Shady, secret, New World Order.

Now easily researched with the world's largest search engine, Google.

Makes sense.

cjthecrow

The NWO? They were a great wrestling team back in the day on WWE

Brown Bomber

Jonny7 wrote: »

Taking a wild guess it will be something along these lines..

1/ Shadowy
2/ Secret
3/ All powerful
4/ Evil
5/ Based on suspicion, paranoia, and a yearning for it to exist

You talking about Gadaffi on viagra again?;)

weisses

CiaranMT wrote: »

Shady, secret, New World Order.

Now easily researched with the world's largest search engine, Google.

Makes sense.

Are you suggesting the NWO is controlling Google ?

Still ... Did you find anything?

Jonny7

Brown Bomber wrote: »

You talking about Gadaffi on viagra again?;)

Wasn't that a zionist plot?

afrodub

As with previous large scale abuse/control methods the notorious eg. Stasi ..How would people targeted even begin to describe their experience without sounding/ looking mentally ill or dismissed as such.

Yet,the Stasi very much existed documented fact and I understand to this day the shredded evidence of that era is still being meticulously pieced together,as a useful reminder of what can or will easily happen again,especially given the technological advances for mass surveillance etc

So now in the internet age,people can speak up /network and there are testimonies from widespread sources,individuals aka T.I.(targeted individuals) from diverse backgrounds seemingly though describing actions perpetrated against them with identifiable similarities.

I would suggest that circumstantially Ti`s should not be dismissed,no doubt there will be those persons with mental health issues,however,who is to say these were not induced by OS or by EH,an apparent intent with this abuse.

Given historically the track record of Governments /or those with actual control and power, when an opppurtunity to increase control arises eg.The War on Terror !! and given within the last 10 years,coincidentally, or so it appears that these allegations of abuse /torture are being more widely reported.

afrodub

afrodub wrote: »

As with previous large scale abuse/control methods the notorious eg. Stasi ..How would people targeted even begin to describe their experience without sounding/ looking mentally ill or dismissed as such.

Yet,the Stasi very much existed documented fact and I understand to this day the shredded evidence of that era is still being meticulously pieced together,as a useful reminder of what can or will easily happen again,especially given the technological advances for mass surveillance etc

But if even a fraction of the number of claimed instances are true it would require literally millions of ordinary everyday people being directly involved in the conspiracy. Yet there's not one verifiable case of any person coming forward to prove that they were invited or coerced into participating in this conspiracy.
In fact if any sizeable portion of the claims are true, then there must be some overlap between these two groups.

afrodub wrote: »

So now in the internet age,people can speak up /network and there are testimonies from widespread sources,individuals aka T.I.(targeted individuals) from diverse backgrounds seemingly though describing actions perpetrated against them with identifiable similarities.

And this is also indicative of a common paranoia or mental illness.
In fact due to the fact that people can find and read these stories online it's possible that some vulnerable people might start to believe they are victims of organised stalking when they are in fact not.

afrodub wrote: »

I would suggest that circumstantially Ti`s should not be dismissed,no doubt there will be those persons with mental health issues,however,who is to say these were not induced by OS or by EH,an apparent intent with this abuse.

So then what proportion of claims are true? How are we to distinguish between real cases and false ones?

afrodub wrote: »

Given historically the track record of Governments /or those with actual control and power, when an opppurtunity to increase control arises eg.The War on Terror !! and given within the last 10 years,coincidentally, or so it appears that these allegations of abuse /torture are being more widely reported.

And yet despite being able to totally hide a vast global operation involving millions of people, all the other shady stuff like abuse and torture come out?

Also, what exactly would be the benefit here? Spending millions of dollars to slightly inconvenience some random person for a few years? It simply does not make sense.

stuar

Reading this reminded me of a story in the Irish news yesterday and today.

Electronic Harassment
Washington Post on Electronic Harassment Technologies

"An academic paper written for the Air Force in the mid-1990s mentions the idea of a weapon that would use sound waves to send words into a person's head. "The signal can be a 'message from God' that can warn the enemy of impending doom, or encourage the enemy to surrender." In 2002, the Air Force Research Laboratory patented precisely such a technology: using microwaves to send words into someone's head. The patent was based on human experimentation in October 1994 at the Air Force lab, where scientists were able to transmit phrases into the heads of human subjects."
-- Washington Post article on electronic harassment and voices in the head, 1/14/07
http://www.wanttoknow.info/voicesinheadelectronicharassment


RCSI study finds that over 20% of children report hearing voices
Researchers carried out psychiatric assessments of almost 2,500 children aged between 11 and 16 in Dublin.

They discovered that 21%-23% of younger adolescents, aged 11 to 13, had experienced auditory hallucinations.

"Auditory hallucinations can vary from hearing an isolated sentence now and then, to hearing 'conversations' between two or more people lasting for several minutes.

Co-author Professor Mary Cannon, also from the RSCI's Department of Psychiatry, said: "Our study suggests that hearing voices seems to be more common in children than was previously thought.
http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0412/over-20-of-children-report-hearing-voices.html

More than 20% of Irish children 'hear voices'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-17688609

More than 20% of children in Ireland report hearing voices
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2012/0412/1224314642307.html

So are 20% of Irish children crazy or is there more to this Electronic Harrassment?

Mind Control News Articles
Excerpts of Key Mind Control News Articles in Major Media

http://www.wanttoknow.info/mindcontrolnewsarticles

So why do you think it is so outlandish KingMob?, seem's there's some evidence to back it up.

stuar

stuar wrote: »

Reading this reminded me of a story in the Irish news yesterday and today.

So why do you think it is so outlandish KingMob?, seem's there's some evidence to back it up.

Well for one the above stuff isn't what the OP is talking about.
Organised stalking is the idea that large amounts of people from your employers, to police and other civil servants and even random people on the street are all actively working together to stalk and harass you.

What's outlandish is that this would require a conspiracy of millions working for no apparent benefit.

What you are proposing is also outlandish.
It is far more likely that a large amount of people hear auditory hallucinations that it's the government is beaming voices into people's head for no good reason.

stuar

King Mob wrote: »

So how do you think the NWO or whoever is able to recurit millions of people (which would be required if all the claims of organised stalking and such were true) to invest thier time and effort to attack random people and keep it quiet?

Are you also open to the belief that the people who claim to be victims of organised stalking are overly paranoid and/or have mental problems?

Why would millions of people need to be recruited?, thats like saying FM104 need thousands of recruits to go around playing their music through their radio's, or the BBC needing to recruit millions of people to do likewise to listen to their world service.

It sounds outlandish (a voice told me to say that), but the US and others seem to have been trying to get into peoples heads for years.

I'd imagine such a device if it were to exist to be a transmitter and playing around with the frequencies transmits to different people depending on the emotional or similar state of the reciever brain.

stuar

King Mob wrote: »

What you are proposing is also outlandish.
It is far more likely that a large amount of people hear auditory hallucinations that it's the government is beaming voices into people's head for no good reason.

Here goes nothing:

When Seeing and Hearing Isn't Believing
1999-02-01, Washington Post
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/dotmil/arkin020199.htm

"Gentlemen! We have called you together to inform you that we are going to overthrow the United States government." So begins a statement being delivered by Gen. Carl W. Steiner. At least the voice sounds amazingly like him. But it is not Steiner. It is the result of voice "morphing" technology developed at the Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico. Psychological operations ... PSYOPS, as the military calls it, seek to exploit human vulnerabilities in enemy governments, militaries and populations to pursue national and battlefield objectives. Covert operators kicked around the idea of creating a computer-faked videotape of Saddam Hussein crying or showing other such manly weaknesses, or in some sexually compromising situation. The nascent plan was for the tapes to be flooded into Iraq and the Arab world. The tape war never proceeded ... but the "strategic" PSYOPS scheming didn't die. What if the U.S. projected a holographic image of Allah floating over Baghdad urging the Iraqi people and Army to rise up against Saddam? According to a military physicist given the task of looking into the hologram idea, the feasibility had been established of projecting large, three-dimensional objects that appeared to float in the air. A super secret program was established in 1994 to pursue the very technology for PSYOPS application. The "Holographic Projector" is described in a classified Air Force document as a system to "project information power from space ... for special operations deception missions."
Note: If the above link fails, click here. If you want to understand some of the many hidden capabilities of the U.S. military, this article is a must read. For other revealing news articles on the use of these "nonlethal" weapons, click here.

C.I.A. Data Show 14-Year Project On Controlling Human Behavior
1977-07-21, New York Times
http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F60A1FFC3E59157493C3AB178CD85...

The Central Intelligence Agency conducted a 14-year program to find ways to "control human behavior" through the use of chemical, biological and radiological material, according to agency documents made public today by John Marks. The documents ... suggested broader experimentation on unwitting humans by the intelligence agency or its paid researchers than had been publicly known before. Mr. Marks distributed 20 documents that described the following incidents, among others: In 1956, the C.I.A. contracted with a private physician to test "bulbocapnine," a drug that can cause stupor or induce a catatonic state, on monkeys and "convicts incarcerated at" an unnamed state penitentiary. A letter from an unnamed C.I.A. official in 1949 discussed ways of killing people without leaving a trace. "I believe that there are two chemical substances which would be most useful in that they would leave no characteristic pathological findings," the letter said. In 1952, two Russian agents who were "suspected of being doubled" were interrogated using "narcohypnotic" methods. The two men were given sodium pentothal and a stimulant. One interrogation produced a "remarkable" regression, the papers said, during which "the subject actually relived certain past activities of his life. The subject totally accepted Mr. [name deleted] as an old and trusted and beloved personal friend whom the subject had known in years past in Georgia, U.S.S.R." The C.I.A. conducted secret medical experiments from 1949 through 1963 under the code names Bluebird, Artichoke, MK Ultra and MK Delta.
Note: If the above link fails, click here. For a one-minute video clip showing Congressional testimony on a dart gun which causes a heart attack without leaving any evidence, click here. For lots more reliable, verifiable information suggesting a major cover-up of government mind control programs, click here. For other revealing news articles on mind control, click here.

Hypnotic Experimentation and Research
1954-02-10, Declassified CIA Document (Verify using note below)
http://www.WantToKnow.info/mind_control/foia_mind_control/190691_assassins_pr...

A posthypnotic of the night before (pointed finger, you will sleep) was enacted. Misses [deleted] and [deleted] immediately progressed to a deep hypnotic state with no further suggestion. Miss [deleted] was then instructed (having previously expressed a fear of firearms in any fashion) that she would use every method at her disposal to awaken Miss [deleted] (now in a deep hypnotic sleep) and failing this, she would pick up a pistol nearby and fire it at Miss [deleted]. She was instructed that her rage would be so great that she would not hesitate to “kill” [deleted] for failing to awaken. Miss [deleted] carried out these suggestions to the letter including firing the (unloaded) gun at [deleted] and then proceeding to fall into a deep sleep. Both were awakened and expressed complete amnesia for the entire sequence. Miss [deleted] was again handed the gun, which she refused (in an awakened state) to pick up or accept from the operator. She expressed absolute denial that the foregoing sequence had happened.
Note: This text is quoted from page 1 of declassified CIA document MORI ID 190691. To verify the statement in the text, make a FOIA (Freedom of Information Act) request as described here, or directly view a scanned copy online here. To access thousands of pages of declassified CIA mind control documents online, click here. For lots more reliable information on this crucial topic, click here. For many revealing news articles on mind control, click here.

CIA and DOD Human Subjects Research Scandals
2007-00-00, U.S. Department of Energy Website
http://hss.energy.gov/healthsafety/ohre/roadmap/achre/chap3_4.html

In December 1974, the New York Times reported that the CIA had conducted illegal domestic activities, including experiments on U.S. citizens during the 1960s. That report prompted investigations by both Congress (in the form of the Church Committee) and a presidential commission (known as the Rockefeller Commission) into the domestic activities of the CIA, the FBI, and intelligence-related agencies of the military. Congressional hearings and the Rockefeller Commission report revealed to the public for the first time that the CIA and the DOD had conducted experiments on both cognizant and unwitting human subjects as part of an extensive program to influence and control human behavior through the use of psychoactive drugs (such as LSD and mescaline) and other chemical, biological, and psychological means. They also revealed that at least one subject had died after administration of LSD. Frank Olson, an Army scientist, was given LSD without his knowledge or consent in 1953 as part of a CIA experiment and apparently committed suicide a week later. Subsequent reports would show that another person ... died as a result of a secret Army experiment involving mescaline. The CIA program, known principally by the codename MKULTRA, began in 1950 and was motivated largely in response to alleged Soviet, Chinese, and North Korean uses of mind-control techniques on U.S. prisoners of war in Korea. Most of the MKULTRA records were deliberately destroyed in 1973 by order of then-Director of Central Intelligence Richard Helms.
Note: This highly revealing article on a U.S. government website shows that the CIA was actively involved in mind control projects. For an excellent summary based on thousands of pages of declassified CIA documents showing the secret creation of unknowing assassins or "Manchurian Candidates," click here.

Human Guinea Pigs: At Your Own Risk
2002-04-22, Time Magazine
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1002263,00.html

Over the past three years, more than 60 institutions, including several of the world's most prestigious research centers, have been criticized by the U.S. government for failing to protect human subjects adequately. As recently as 1974 individual scientists and their financial backers could decide for themselves what constituted ethical research. Most of the time their judgment was sound, but there were plenty of appalling exceptions. In the 1950s Army doctors gave LSD to soldiers without telling them what it was. In 1963 researchers injected prisoners and terminally ill patients with live cancer cells to test their immune responses; they were told only that it was a "skin test." In the 1950s mentally retarded children at Willowbrook, a state institution in New York, were deliberately infected with hepatitis so that scientists could work on an experimental vaccine. And in perhaps the most infamous case on record, doctors at Georgia's Tuskegee Institute, starting in the 1930s, deliberately withheld treatment from syphilis-infected African-American men for 40 years to monitor the course of the disease. Financial conflicts of interest can extend not only to the institutions but also to the researchers themselves. Jesse Gelsinger's death in the University of Pennsylvania's gene-therapy trial in 1999 seemed especially scandalous [because] James Wilson, the principal investigator in the study, held a 30% equity stake in Genovo, which owned the rights to license the drug Wilson was studying; the university owned 3.2% of the company. When Targeted Genetics Corp. acquired Genovo, Wilson reportedly earned $13.5 million and Penn $1.4 million.
Note: For a powerful, reliable list of astounding incidents in which government and medical professionals used humans as guinea pigs over the past hundred years and continuing to the present, click here. Links are provided to reliable sources for verification. For key facts on government mind control programs, click here.

Sidney Gottlieb, 80, Dies; Took LSD to C.I.A.
1999-03-10, New York Times
http://select.nytimes.com/search/restricted/article?res=F70A13FA355B0C738DDDA...

Sidney Gottlieb, who presided over the Central Intelligence Agency's cold-war efforts to control the human mind and provided the agency poisons to kill Fidel Castro, died on Sunday. He ... spent his later years caring for dying patients ... and fighting lawsuits from survivors of his secret tests. He will always be remembered as the Government chemist who dosed Americans with psychedelics in the name of national security. Mr. Gottlieb joined the C.I.A. in 1951. Two years later, the agency established MKUltra and Mr. Gottlieb was running it. He served two decades as the senior scientist presiding over some of the C.I.A.'s darkest secrets. The first of these were the LSD experiments. Mr. Gottlieb was fascinated by the drug [and] took it hundreds of times. In the 1950's and early 1960's, the agency gave mind-altering drugs to hundreds of unsuspecting Americans in an effort to explore the possibilities of controlling human consciousness. In one case, a mental patient in Kentucky was dosed with LSD continuously for 174 days. Other experiments involved agency employees, military officers and college students. In all, the agency conducted 149 separate mind-control experiments, and as many as 25 involved unwitting subjects. At least one participant died, others went mad, and still others suffered psychological damage after participating in the project, known as MK Ultra. The C.I.A. ... deliberately destroyed most of the MKUltra records in 1973. Mr. Gottlieb was also involved in the C.I.A.'s assassination plots. [He] developed a poison handkerchief to kill an Iraqi colonel, an array of toxic gifts to be delivered to Fidel Castro, and a poison dart to kill a leftist leader in the Congo.

Mind-Control Studies Had Origins in Trial of Mindszenty
1977-08-02, New York Times
http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F20E11F83A5B167493C0A91783D85...

It may be difficult for Americans to comprehend the frame of mind of the men who ... started the Central Intelligence Agency's effort to manipulate human behavior. The C.I.A. leaders were certain the Communists had embarked on a campaign to control men's minds and they were determined to find a defense, setting out in earnest the next year—1950—with Project Bluebird, which evolved into Project Artichoke, then became MK-ULTRA - MK-DELTA. With each code name change, they broadened their sweep, until there remained virtually no avenue of human behavior control they were not exploring. There was an "urgent need," the C.I.A. and other intelligence agencies argued, to develop "effective and practical techniques" to "render an individual subservient to an imposed will or control." The C.I.A. men ... acknowledged among themselves that much of what they were setting out to do was "unethical," bordered on the illegal and would be repugnant to the American people. "Precautions must be taken," one agency official wrote in an internal memo, "not only to protect the operation from exposure to enemy forces, but also to conceal these activities from the American public in general." They wanted to be able to get away with murder without leaving a trace. In attempts to develop ways to administer lethal and mind-altering drugs surreptitiously through clothing as thick as a leather jacket, they tried out small spray guns and pencil-like injectors. They studied the writing of the psychologist who worked with Adolf Hitler, wondered about the use of the "occult" and of "black psychiatry."
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Shocking History of Medical Experiments on People
2011-02-27, ABC News/Associated Press
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory?id=13012856

Shocking as it may seem, U.S. government doctors once thought it was fine to experiment on disabled people and prison inmates. Such experiments included giving hepatitis to mental patients in Connecticut, squirting a pandemic flu virus up the noses of prisoners in Maryland, and injecting cancer cells into chronically ill people at a New York hospital. Much of this horrific history is 40 to 80 years old, but it is the backdrop for a meeting in Washington this week by a presidential bioethics commission. The meeting was triggered by the government's apology last fall for federal doctors infecting prisoners and mental patients in Guatemala with syphilis 65 years ago. U.S. officials also acknowledged there had been dozens of similar experiments in the United States. Inevitably, they will be compared to the well-known Tuskegee syphilis study. In that episode, U.S. health officials tracked 600 black men in Alabama who already had syphilis but didn't give them adequate treatment even after penicillin became available. Though people in the studies were usually described as volunteers, historians and ethicists have questioned how well these people understood what was to be done to them and why, or whether they were coerced. In the last 15 years, two international studies sparked outrage. U.S.-funded doctors failed to give the AIDS drug AZT to all the HIV-infected pregnant women in a study in Uganda even though it would have protected their newborns. The other study, by Pfizer Inc., gave an antibiotic named Trovan to children with meningitis in Nigeria, although there were doubts about its effectiveness. Critics blamed the experiment for the deaths of 11 children and the disabling of scores of others. Pfizer settled a lawsuit with Nigerian officials for $75 million but admitted no wrongdoing.
Note: Though it appears these highly unethical studies have stopped in the US, the article points out that many drug companies are now doing their studies in countries where ethical codes are not strong. For an astounding list of government-sponsored programs where humans were used as guinea pigs, click here. For a two-page summary of solid evidence of government involvement in mind control programs, click here.

The Pope, Eichmann and the Nazi 'Ratlines'
2010-03-17, The Telegraph (One of the UK's leading newspapers)
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/juliankossoff/100030163/the-pope-eichmann-a...

Germany is fighting to keep sealed the Adolf Eichmann files detailing the years the Holocaust chief logistical organiser spent on the run before he was captured by Mossad agents. Those hoping to have a 50-year secrecy order overturned believe the government is embarrassed by details within that may prove German and Vatican officials colluded in his escape and freedom. For the current papacy under the German pope, Benedict XVI, the 4,500 page Eichmann dossier could be the ’smoking gun’ that would shoot down his plans to canonize Pope Pius XII (1939-58), aka ‘Hitler’s Pope.’ The role of Pope Pius XII during World War II, his relationship with Nazism and his efforts (or lack of them) to save Jews from the gas chambers are hotly disputed. Even within the Jewish community there are strong opinions on both sides of the debate. In fact history’s most savage mass murderers – Adolf Eichmann, Dr Josef Mengele, better known as Auschwitz’s ‘Angel of Death’, Franz Stangl, commandant of the Treblinka extermination camp – escaped justice down the ‘ratline’ that ran straight through the Vatican state in Rome.Senior members of the Roman Catholic hierarchy – marinaded in virulent Judeophobia and obsessed by Bolshevism – organised the escape of thousands of the most debauched, cruel monsters to a peaceful, prosperous retirement in Catholic South America.
Note: As mentioned by the initiator of the lawsuit to open the documents in this Associated Press story, "I think it's impossible that in Germany we are hiding documents about a convicted Nazi mass murderer today." Evidence suggests that these Nazis were purposely allowed to escape with the involvement of the Vatican, the CIA, and other groups. Josef Mengele is purported to have gone on to train the CIA in powerful mind control techniques he perfected using concentration camp inmates as guinea pigs. For more on this, click here.

Concentration camp doctor tops list of wanted Nazis
2008-04-30, Boston Globe/Associated Press
http://articles.boston.com/2008-04-30/news/29272267_1_efraim-zuroff-top-nazi-...

Karl Lotter, a prisoner who worked in the hospital at Mauthausen concentration camp, had no trouble remembering the first time he watched SS doctor Aribert Heim kill a man. It was 1941, and an 18-year-old Jew had been sent to the clinic with a foot inflammation. Heim asked him about himself and why he was so fit. The young man said he had been a soccer player and swimmer. Then, instead of treating the prisoner's foot, Heim anesthetized him, cut him open, castrated him, took apart one kidney and removed the second, Lotter said. The victim's head was removed and the flesh boiled off so that Heim could keep it on display. "He needed the head because of its perfect teeth," Lotter, a non-Jewish political prisoner, recalled in testimony eight years later that was included in an Austrian warrant for Heim's arrest. But Heim managed to avoid prosecution, his American-held file in Germany mysteriously omitting his time at Mauthausen, and today he is the most wanted Nazi war criminal on a list of hundreds who the Simon Wiesenthal Center estimates are still free.
Note: As this article shows, some Nazi concentration camp doctors had virtually no moral aversion to killing and torturing any prisoner. Some of the most infamous doctors were tasked with perfecting mind control by any means. And many, like Heim, were allowed to escape. For reliable information on this, and how some of these doctors were then secretly brought to the US to train the CIA in mind control techniques, click here.

Mind Games
2007-01-14, Washington Post
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/10/AR20070110013...

A community of people who believe the government is beaming voices into their minds ... may be crazy, but the Pentagon has pursued a weapon that can do just that. An academic paper written for the Air Force in the mid-1990s mentions the idea of [such] a weapon. "The signal can be a 'message from God' that can warn the enemy of impending doom, or encourage the enemy to surrender." In 2002, the Air Force Research Laboratory patented precisely such a technology: using microwaves to send words into someone's head. The patent was based on human experimentation in October 1994 at the Air Force lab, where scientists were able to transmit phrases into the heads of human subjects, albeit with marginal intelligibility. The official U.S. Air Force position is that there are no non-thermal effects of microwaves. Yet ... the military's use of weapons that employ electromagnetic radiation to create pain is well-known. In 2001, the Pentagon declassified one element of this research: the Active Denial System, a weapon that uses electromagnetic radiation to heat skin and create an intense burning sensation. While its exact range is classified, Doug Beason, an expert in directed-energy weapons, puts it at about 700 meters, and the beam cannot penetrate a number of materials, such as aluminum. Given the history of America's clandestine research, it's reasonable to assume that if the defense establishment could develop mind-control or long-distance ray weapons, it almost certainly would. And, once developed, the possibility that they might be tested on innocent civilians could not be categorically dismissed.
Note: For lots more reliable, verifiable information on the little-known, yet critical topic of nonlethal weapons, click here. For an excellent two-page summary of government mind control programs, click here.

CIA role claim in Kennedy killing
2006-11-21, BBC News
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/6169006.stm

New video and photographic evidence ... puts three senior CIA operatives at the scene of Robert Kennedy's assassination. It reveals that the operatives and four unidentified associates were at the Ambassador Hotel, Los Angeles in the moments before and after the shooting on 5 June, 1968. The CIA had no domestic jurisdiction and some of the officers were based in South-East Asia at the time, with no reason to be in Los Angeles. Kennedy had just won the California Democratic primary on an anti-War ticket and was set to challenge Nixon for the White House. A 24-year-old Palestinian, Sirhan Sirhan, was arrested as the lone assassin. However, even under hypnosis, he has never been able to remember the shooting and defence psychiatrists concluded he was in a trance at the time. Witnesses placed Sirhan's gun several feet in front of Kennedy but the autopsy showed the fatal shot came from one inch behind. Dr Herbert Spiegel, a world authority on hypnosis at Columbia University, believes Sirhan may have been hypnotically programmed to act as a decoy for the real assassin. Three of these men have been positively identified as senior officers who worked together in 1963 at JMWAVE, the CIA's Miami base. David Morales was Chief of Operations and once told friends: "I was in Dallas when we got the son of a bitch and I was in Los Angeles when we got the little bastard." George Joannides was Chief of Psychological Warfare Operations. Now, we see him at the Ambassador Hotel the night a second Kennedy is assassinated.
Note: There is ample evidence that Sirhan Sirhan was a programmed Manchurian Candidate. Declassified CIA documents show that U.S. intelligence services were creating programmed assassins back as early as the 1950s. For reliable, verifiable information on this key topic, click here.

Brainwash victims win cash claims
2004-10-17, London Times
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2090-1313808,00.html

Hundreds of mentally ill patients who were subjected to barbaric CIA-funded brainwashing experiments ... could be entitled to compensation following a landmark court ruling. Doctor Ewan Cameron, who became one of the world’s leading psychiatrists, developed techniques used by Nazi scientists to wipe out the existing personalities of people in his care. Cameron ... was recruited by the CIA during the cold war while working at McGill University in Montreal, Canada. He carried out mind-control experiments using drugs such as LSD on hundreds of patients, but only 77 of them were awarded compensation. Now a landmark ruling by a Federal Court judge in Montreal will allow more than 250 former patients, whose claims were rejected, to seek compensation. Last week, Alan Stein, of Montreal law firm Stein and Stein ... confirmed he was in the process of contacting former clients who could now renew their appeal. “There are about 200 people still due compensation,” he said. Using techniques similar to those portrayed in the celebrated novel the Manchurian Candidate, it was believed that people could be brainwashed and reprogrammed to carry out specific acts. Cameron developed a range of depatterning “treatments”. Patients were woken from drug-induced stupors two or three times a day for multiple electric shocks. In a specially designed “sleep room” made famous by Anne Collins’s book of the same name, Cameron placed a speaker under the patient’s pillow and relayed negative messages for 16 hours a day. Cameron ... rose to become the first president of the World Psychiatric Association.
Note: If the above link does not work, click here. This article clearly shows that the Manchurian candidate (programmed assassin) is not just fiction. For a powerful two-page summary of 18,000 pages of declassified CIA documents on this disturbing mind control program, click here. Links to view the original top secret documents are included.

Years Ago, The Military Sprayed Germs on U.S. Cities
2001-10-22, Wall Street Journal
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1003703226697496080.html

Much of what the Pentagon knows about the effects of bacterial attacks on cities came from ... secret tests conducted on San Francisco and other American cities from the 1940s through the 1960s, experts say. In the 1950s, Army researchers dispersed Serratia on Panama City, Fla., and Key West, Fla., with no known illnesses resulting. They also released fluorescent compounds over Minnesota and other Midwestern states to see how far they would spread in the atmosphere. The particles of zinc-cadmium-sulfide -- now a known cancer-causing agent -- were detected more than 1,000 miles away in New York state, the Army told the Senate hearings. In New York, military researchers in 1966 spread Bacillus subtilis variant Niger, also believed to be harmless, in the subway system by dropping lightbulbs filled with the bacteria onto tracks in stations in midtown Manhattan. The bacteria were carried for miles throughout the subway system. The Army kept the biological-warfare tests secret until word of them was leaked to the press in the 1970s. Between 1949 and 1969 ... open-air tests of biological agents were conducted 239 times, according to the Army's testimony in 1977 before the Senate's subcommittee on health. In 80 of those experiments, the Army said it used live bacteria that its researchers at the time thought were harmless. Several medical experts have since claimed that an untold number of people may have gotten sick as a result of the germ tests. These researchers say even benign agents can mutate into unpredictable pathogens once exposed to the elements.
Note: To read this article on the WSJ website requires a paid subscription. You can read it free at this link. For lots more on the government secretly using unsuspecting citizens as guinea pigs in its risky experiments over the years, click here. For powerful evidence that this is still happening, click here.

Acid, Americans and the Agency
1999-02-14, The Guardian (One of the UK's leading newspapers)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/theobserver/1999/feb/14/life1.lifemagazine

[In 1977's] Senate hearings about CIA abuses ... one of the witnesses described a government drug-testing programme known as MKULTRA, which had used innocent Americans selected as human guinea pigs. This CIA-sponsored 'research' directly violated the Nuremberg Code [which] stipulates that patients must give 'informed consent' before any experimentation may begin. [The] architect of MKULTRA, Sidney Gottlieb [testified] about the policy of spiking the drinks of unsuspecting Americans [with LSD]. Ultimately, Gottlieb would admit that MKULTRA tested an array of techniques and substances on dozens of unsuspecting people, and there may well have been hundreds. Gottlieb ... personally spiked the drinks of scientists working with him. An Army scientist, Frank Olson, was given a massive dose and ... ended up jumping through the 10th-floor window of a Manhattan hotel. Gottlieb asked a government narcotics agent named George White to begin testing hallucinogens on unsuspecting citizens. White, a hard-drinking, fast-living man ... began dosing unwitting guinea pigs in autumn 1952. He would later, with Gottlieb's approval, set up safe houses in New York and San Francisco where he played host to prostitutes, drug dealers and their customers and handed the unsuspecting guests drinks laced with LSD. In a 1953 memo to a researcher, Gottlieb gave an indication of the kinds of mind control issues he was interested in -- for both offensive and defensive purposes: 'Disturbance of memory; discrediting by aberrant behaviour; alteration of sex patterns; eliciting of information.' Gottlieb and his boss, Richard Helms -- in an unprecedented and controversial move -- ordered all MKULTRA records destroyed in 1973. A few financial records survived.
Note: Though the CIA denies that mind control techniques were successful, an abundance of evidence suggests otherwise. For a powerful two-page summary of this evidence, click here. For major media articles, key documentaries, and other verifiable information on the secret mind control programs, see our Mind Control Information Center available here.

Recent Charges of Sexual Abuse of Children in Hollywood Just Tip of Iceberg, Experts Say
2011-12-05, Fox News
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2011/12/05/recent-charges-sexual-abuse-c...

If a spate of recent allegations proves true, Hollywood may have a hideous epidemic on its hands. The past two weeks have brought three separate reports of alleged child sexual abuse in the entertainment industry. Martin Weiss, a 47-year-old Hollywood manager who represented child actors, was charged in Los Angeles on Dec. 1 with sexually abusing a former client. His accuser, who was under 12 years old during the time of the alleged abuse, reported to authorities that Weiss told him "what they were doing was common practice in the entertainment industry." Weiss has pleaded not guilty. On Nov. 21, Fernando Rivas, 59, an award-winning composer for “Sesame Street,” was arraigned on charges of coercing a child “to engage in sexually explicit conduct” in South Carolina. The Juilliard-trained composer was also charged with production and distribution of child pornography. Registered sex offender Jason James Murphy, 35, worked as a casting agent in Hollywood for years before his past kidnapping and sexual abuse of a boy was revealed by the Los Angeles Times on Nov. 17. Revelations of this sort come as no surprise to former child star Corey Feldman. Feldman, 40, himself a survivor of childhood sexual abuse, unflinchingly warned of the world of pedophiles who are drawn to the entertainment industry last August. "I can tell you that the No. 1 problem in Hollywood was and is and always will be pedophilia,” Feldman told ABC’s Nightline. “That's the biggest problem for children in this industry... It's the big secret.”
Note: For powerful evidence from a suppressed Discovery Channel documentary showing that child sexual abuse scandals reach to the highest levels of government, click here.

Nazis Were Given Safe Haven in U.S., Report Says
2010-11-14, New York Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/14/us/14nazis.html

A secret history of the United States government's Nazi-hunting operation concludes that American intelligence officials created a "safe haven" in the United States for Nazis and their collaborators after World War II. The 600-page report, which the Justice Department has tried to keep secret for four years, provides new evidence about more than two dozen of the most notorious Nazi cases of the last three decades. It describes the government's ... pursuit of Dr. Josef Mengele, the so-called Angel of Death at Auschwitz. The report catalogs both the successes and failures of the band of lawyers, historians and investigators at the Justice Department's Office of Special Investigations, which was created in 1979 to deport Nazis. The report's most damning disclosures come in assessing the Central Intelligence Agency's involvement with Nazi emigres. Scholars and previous government reports had acknowledged the C.I.A.'s use of Nazis for postwar intelligence purposes. But this report goes further in documenting the level of American complicity and deception in such operations. The Justice Department has resisted making the report public since 2006. Under the threat of a lawsuit, it turned over a heavily redacted version last month to a private research group, the National Security Archive, but even then many ... portions were omitted. A complete version was obtained by The New York Times.
Note: To read the complete Justice Department report obtained by The New York Times, click here. For a brief comparison with the heavily redacted version previously available, click here. For a more detailed analysis by the the National Security Archive, click here.

French bread spiked with LSD in CIA experiment
2010-03-11, The Telegraph (One of the UK's leading newspapers)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/7415082/French-bread-...

A 50-year mystery over the 'cursed bread' of Pont-Saint-Esprit, which left residents suffering hallucinations, has been solved after a writer discovered the US had spiked the bread with LSD as part of an experiment. In 1951, a quiet, picturesque village in southern France was suddenly and mysteriously struck down with mass insanity and hallucinations. At least five people died, dozens were interned in asylums and hundreds afflicted. For decades it was assumed that the local bread had been unwittingly poisoned with a psychedelic mould. Now, however, an American investigative journalist has uncovered evidence suggesting the CIA peppered local food with the hallucinogenic drug LSD as part of a mind control experiment at the height of the Cold War. One man tried to drown himself, screaming that his belly was being eaten by snakes. An 11-year-old tried to strangle his grandmother. Another man shouted: "I am a plane", before jumping out of a second-floor window, breaking his legs. He then got up and carried on for 50 yards. Many were taken to the local asylum in strait jackets.
Note: For lots more reliable information on CIA mind control experiments, click here and here.

Pope 'obstructed' sex abuse inquiry
2005-04-24, The Observer (One of the UK's leading newspapers)
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1469055,00.html

Confidential letter reveals Ratzinger ordered bishops to keep allegations secret. Pope Benedict XVI faced claims last night he had 'obstructed justice' after it emerged he issued an order ensuring the church's investigations into child sex abuse claims be carried out in secret. The order was made in a confidential letter, obtained by The Observer, which was sent to every Catholic bishop in May 2001. It asserted the church's right to hold its inquiries behind closed doors and keep the evidence confidential for up to 10 years after the victims reached adulthood. The letter was signed by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, who was elected as John Paul II's successor last week. Lawyers acting for abuse victims claim it was designed to prevent the allegations from becoming public knowledge or being investigated by the police. They accuse Ratzinger of committing a 'clear obstruction of justice'. 'Cases of this kind are subject to the pontifical secret,' Ratzinger's letter concludes. Breaching the pontifical secret at any time while the 10-year jurisdiction order is operating carries penalties, including the threat of excommunication. The letter is referred to in documents relating to a lawsuit filed earlier this year against a church in Texas and Ratzinger on behalf of two alleged abuse victims. By sending the letter, lawyers acting for the alleged victims claim the cardinal conspired to obstruct justice. Daniel Shea, the lawyer for the two alleged victims who discovered the letter, said: 'If you can manage to keep it secret for 18 years plus 10 the priest will get away with it.'

The Pentagon's quest for nonlethal arms is amazing. But is it smart?
1997-06-29, US News and World Report
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/culture/articles/970707/archive_007360.htm

For [many] years, sci-fi writers have imagined weapons that might use energy waves or pulses to knock out, knock down, or otherwise disable enemies--without necessarily killing them. And for a good 40 years the U.S. military has quietly been pursuing weapons of this sort. Much of this work is still secret. But now ... the search for weapons that could incapacitate people without inflicting lethal injuries has intensified. Police, too, are keenly interested. Scores of new contracts have been let, and scientists, aided by government research on the "bioeffects" of beamed energy, are searching the electromagnetic and sonic spectrums for wavelengths that can affect human behavior. Recent advancements in miniaturized electronics, power generation, and beam aiming may finally have put such pulse and beam weapons on the cusp of practicality. Scientists say they are natural successors to projects already underway--beams that disable the electronic systems of aircraft, computers, or missiles, for instance. "Once you are into these antimateriel weapons, it is a short jump to antipersonnel weapons," says Louis Slesin, editor of the trade journal Microwave News. That's because the human body is essentially an electrochemical system, and devices that disrupt the electrical impulses of the nervous system can affect behavior and body functions. But these programs--particularly those involving antipersonnel research--are so well guarded that details are scarce. "People [in the military] go silent on this issue," says Slesin, "more than any other issue. People just do not want to talk about this."

stuar

stuar wrote: »

Why would millions of people need to be recruited?, thats like saying FM104 need thousands of recruits to go around playing their music through their radio's, or the BBC needing to recruit millions of people to do likewise to listen to their world service.

It sounds outlandish (a voice told me to say that), but the US and others seem to have been trying to get into peoples heads for years.

I'd imagine such a device if it were to exist to be a transmitter and playing around with the frequencies transmits to different people depending on the emotional or similar state of the reciever brain.

Again, what you are proposing, some sort of secret voice in head machine, is not what the OP or I am talking about.

Organised stalking is the idea that large amounts of people from your employers, to police and other civil servants and even random people on the street are all actively working together to stalk and harass you.

This requires millions of people to do more than just "say something the voices are telling me."

What you are proposing, especially when you add what you are claiming in this post is technobabble.

stuar

afrodub wrote: »

Having taken the time recently to research further the widespread online allegations of what is termed Organised Stalking and of Electronic harassment, I am now more open to the belief that these are the primary `methods` being employed to enforce the planned NWO.

King Mob wrote: »

Again, what you are proposing, some sort of secret voice in head machine, is not what the OP or I am talking about.

This requires millions of people to do more than just "say something the voices are telling me."

What you are proposing, especially when you add what you are claiming in this post is technobabble.

The OP clearly says Electronic Harassment and speaks of "Methods", to which I added this link:
http://www.wanttoknow.info/voicesinheadelectronicharassment

So it seems your the only one exclusively talking about "Gang Stalking".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vA7r4T-OzAY

And why dismiss such technologies?, because you simply don't believe it's possible, nobody would have use for it?.
So it's all technobabble?

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stuar

stuar wrote: »

The OP clearly says Electronic Harassment and speaks of "Methods", to which I added this link:
http://www.wanttoknow.info/voicesinheadelectronicharassment

So it seems your the only one exclusively talking about "Gang Stalking".

Well that's my bad.
But I was referring to organised stalking which is unlikely due to the fact that it would require millions of people to be involved.
However both organised stalking and electronic harassment both look very similar to mental illness.
And both seem to be done for no apparent benefit.

stuar wrote: »

And why dismiss such technologies?, because you simply don't believe it's possible, nobody would have use for it?.

Because it's not possible, and random pseudo-scientific articles from paranoid websites which twist and invent facts are not convincing.

stuar wrote: »

So it's all technobabble?

Not all of it. But stuff like:

I'd imagine such a device if it were to exist to be a transmitter and playing around with the frequencies transmits to different people depending on the emotional or similar state of the reciever brain.

is very much technobabble.

afrodub

Synthetic telepathy also referred to as V2K is a technological fact and has been openly demonstrated,again any brief search/research online will validate this.

With reference to `Organised stalking` the commonly recounted allegations I read are notably the complicity of law enforcement or as simple as `officials`turning a blind eye to this,and the enthusiastic use of persons in `community Policing ` programs Neighbourhood /community alert types.

Now the purpose/motive appears two fold one is to destroy/neutralise an undesirable without any apparent evidence,and for those in power that net can be very wide and include those who may simply `know` too much.Secondly as a bonding or bolstering of a community of persons who are in on it and with the use of malicious/ false slander to ensure compliant participation,put simply a process of creating Tyranny.And for the first time in history with the use of overwhelming technological abilities this is now apparently feasible .Understandably compliance and silence would be easier to maintain when `participants` aka perps know the very real horrific consequences of eg. whistle blowing.

Again to the rational adult mind all very unlikely sounding but as I continue to read into the `outlandish`actions of the Stasi,which without the existence and preservation of vast paper trail documents it too would be easily dismissed as paranoia.

afrodub

afrodub wrote: »

Synthetic telepathy also referred to as V2K is a technological fact and has been openly demonstrated,again any brief search/research online will validate this.

Can you please post some of this validation?

afrodub wrote: »

With reference to `Organised stalking` the commonly recounted allegations I read are notably the complicity of law enforcement or as simple as `officials`turning a blind eye to this,and the enthusiastic use of persons in `community Policing ` programs Neighbourhood /community alert types.

But these people are just ordinary people not involved in any crimes or conspiracy.
How are they approached? Are they asked to join in? Are they paid? Coerced? How come not one person has been able to come forward with any sort of evidence that they were involved in this?

afrodub wrote: »

Now the purpose/motive appears two fold one is to destroy/neutralise an undesirable without any apparent evidence,and for those in power that net can be very wide and include those who may simply `know` too much.Secondly as a bonding or bolstering of a community of persons who are in on it and with the use of malicious/ false slander to ensure compliant participation,put simply a process of creating Tyranny.And for the first time in history with the use of overwhelming technological abilities this is now apparently feasible .Understandably compliance and silence would be easier to maintain when `participants` aka perps know the very real horrific consequences of eg. whistle blowing.

But none of the people supposedly targeted are "important". As in none of them are exactly a threat to the establishment. Nor is the harassment effective, as the people targeted not only speak out against the supposed harassment and become more and more convinced of the conspiracy they are speaking out about.
And to top it off, even though they are apparently going to all of this bother, you also believe that they aren't capable of keeping the technology they use secret?
This doesn't make a bunch of sense.

afrodub wrote: »

Again to the rational adult mind all very unlikely sounding but as I continue to read into the `outlandish`actions of the Stasi,which without the existence and preservation of vast paper trail documents it too would be easily dismissed as paranoia.

But this isn't like the Stasi, it's a vast network of millions of people all involved and keeping it quiet.

People being overly paranoid and having some mental issues explains all of the cases. The idea that it is a conspiracy doesn't make any sense.
One is a more likely explanation than the other.

afrodub

First this is a screenshot jpg saved of a USA Army webpage that was conveniently `removed`.
www.slavery.org.uk/V2Kweapons.jpg

And as further suggestions :

http://sites.google.com/site/microwaveharassment

www.freepatentsonline.com/4877027.html

stuar

King Mob wrote: »

Because it's not possible, and random pseudo-scientific articles from paranoid websites which twist and invent facts are not convincing.

Not all of it. But stuff like:

is very much technobabble.

It's NOT possible?, are you sure?.

Beta Frequencies

13Hz to 30Hz-Normal wakefulness—14Hz to 16Hz-“associated with sleep spindles on EEG during second stage of sleep”EQ14.0Hz-Awake and alert15Hz-chronic painMG16Hz-bottom limit of normal hearingMP218Hz to 22Hz-Beta: outward awareness, sensory data24Hz-The light cycle which entrains circadian rhythm20Hz-fatigue, energize. Causes distress during labor.EQ27.5Hz-lowest note an a piano A(0) MP229.135Hz-A#(0)30Hz-Meg Patterson used for marijuana.MB330.868HzB(0)30Hz to 190Hz-LumbagoAT30Hz to 500Hz-High Beta: a few people able to replicate at will32Hz-Desensitizer; enhanced vigour and alertnessMG32.703Hz-C(1)33Hz-Christ consciousness, hypersensitivity, Pyramid frequency (inside)34.648Hz-C#(1)35Hz to 150Hz-FracturesAT35Hz to 193Hz-ArthralgyAT35Hz-Awakening of mid-chakras, balance of chakras36.708Hz-D(1)38Hz-Endorphin releaseWL38.891Hz-D#(1)40Hz-dominant when problem solving in fearful situations.EQ
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afrodub

afrodub wrote: »

First this is a screenshot jpg saved of a USA Army webpage that was conveniently `removed`.
www.slavery.org.uk/V2Kweapons.jpg

Ok, first, how do you know that this was ever on an army webpage?
Second, why would it ever have been on an army webpage?

afrodub wrote: »

And as further suggestions :

http://sites.google.com/site/microwaveharassment

This site offers nothing to support your claim. It is also poorly written and formatted, making it a pain to read.

afrodub wrote: »

www.freepatentsonline.com/4877027.html

You can receive a patent for practically anything regardless of whether or not it actually works.
Secondly, why would the secret weapon have a patent, let alone a patent on a publicly available source?

And Stuar copy pasting psuedo-scientific nonsense and graphs with out any context or source is the very definition of technobabble.
Especially when the text you are copy pasting mentions stuff like Qi Gong, past life regression, ESP and "Pyramid frequency".

afrodub

Another suggestion to verify the knowledge/capabilities, USA military unclassified info via Freedom of Information request :

www.raven1.net/friedmanv2s.pdf

And as a starting point I would suggest www.raven1.net as a useful reference well presented IMO of these allegations, namely OS/EH.

If above link fails then suggest this one: www.stopos.info

afrodub

afrodub wrote: »

Another suggestion to verify the knowledge/capabilities, USA military unclassified info via Freedom of Information request :

www.raven1.net/friedmanv2s.pdf

And as a starting point I would suggest www.raven1.net as a useful reference well presented IMO of these allegations, namely OS/EH.

If above link fails then suggest this one: www.stopos.info

But neither of those links provide any answers to any of my questions and just raise more of the same.

al28283

This kind of organised stalking would require literally millions of dollars per person followed, and thousands of people all in on it putting in millions of hours, and I have yet to hear of any actual reason why they are doing it? There seems to be no reason for any of it

Jonny7

afrodub wrote: »

Another suggestion to verify the knowledge/capabilities, USA military unclassified info via Freedom of Information request :

www.raven1.net/friedmanv2s.pdf

And as a starting point I would suggest www.raven1.net as a useful reference well presented IMO of these allegations, namely OS/EH.

If above link fails then suggest this one: www.stopos.info

From the PDF -http://www.stopos.info/osatv.pdf
The author is of the theory that there are "organised stalking" groups, who target an individual, e.g. in this case its personal. As the PDF goes on there are tenuous links drawn between standard studies to e.g. "stalking" studies, criminal harassment, US military/FBI experiments, etc and the author's own view.

Author just seems to think that bullying is organised by greater forces than just the perpetrators. Theory seems to be crafted from author's own misunderstanding of his personal experiences.

afrodub

What the mechanics of these allegations describe aka `the program` is the abuse of methods which of themselves can be dismissed as the `ordinary breaks` of life,such that we could all indentify with.However the frequency and timings of such events allegedly perpetrated to targets (Ti`s) is the separating factor.

As I have previously referred the Stasi were masters in psychological abuse techniques,so called gaslighting,skits aka `street theatre` and the use/abuse of `anchoring`NLP methods.These are it appears common experiences now described by Ti`s and as such with these psyops the in built seemingly by design `plausible deniability` is easily maintained.

NLP : Neuro Linguistic Programming

afrodub

afrodub wrote: »

What the mechanics of these allegations describe aka `the program` is the abuse of methods which of themselves can be dismissed as the `ordinary breaks` of life,such that we could all indentify with.However the frequency and timings of such events allegedly perpetrated to targets (Ti`s) is the separating factor.

As I have previously referred the Stasi were masters in psychological abuse techniques,so called gaslighting,skits aka `street theatre` and the use/abuse of `anchoring`NLP methods.These are it appears common experiences now described by Ti`s and as such with these psyops the in built seemingly by design `plausible deniability` is easily maintained.

NLP : Neuro Linguistic Programming

But all of that is easily explained by the person being paranoid and making connections and assumptions that aren't actually there.

By how much more does the frequency or normal everyday inconveniences need to increase before it becomes organised stalking?

How do they get the millions of people they need involved?
Why do they persist in such an expense and seemingly ineffective practice?

Jonny7

afrodub wrote: »

What the mechanics of these allegations describe aka `the program` is the abuse of methods which of themselves can be dismissed as the `ordinary breaks` of life,such that we could all indentify with.However the frequency and timings of such events allegedly perpetrated to targets (Ti`s) is the separating factor.

As I have previously referred the Stasi were masters in psychological abuse techniques,so called gaslighting,skits aka `street theatre` and the use/abuse of `anchoring`NLP methods.These are it appears common experiences now described by Ti`s and as such with these psyops the in built seemingly by design `plausible deniability` is easily maintained.

NLP : Neuro Linguistic Programming

The Stasi were widely known about, across the world, around one in seven East German citizens were under their employ in one form or another. What have they got to do with anything?

NLP - I've read two books on NLP, do you know what it is? its popular among salespeople and pick-up artists.

I'm not sure what your specific theory is?

CiaranMT

stuar wrote: »

It's NOT possible?, are you sure?.

Beta Frequencies

13Hz to 30Hz-Normal wakefulness—14Hz to 16Hz-“associated with sleep spindles on EEG during second stage of sleep”EQ14.0Hz-Awake and alert15Hz-chronic painMG16Hz-bottom limit of normal hearingMP218Hz to 22Hz-Beta: outward awareness, sensory data24Hz-The light cycle which entrains circadian rhythm20Hz-fatigue, energize. Causes distress during labor.EQ27.5Hz-lowest note an a piano A(0) MP229.135Hz-A#(0)30Hz-Meg Patterson used for marijuana.MB330.868HzB(0)30Hz to 190Hz-LumbagoAT30Hz to 500Hz-High Beta: a few people able to replicate at will32Hz-Desensitizer; enhanced vigour and alertnessMG32.703Hz-C(1)33Hz-Christ consciousness, hypersensitivity, Pyramid frequency (inside)34.648Hz-C#(1)35Hz to 150Hz-FracturesAT35Hz to 193Hz-ArthralgyAT35Hz-Awakening of mid-chakras, balance of chakras36.708Hz-D(1)38Hz-Endorphin releaseWL38.891Hz-D#(1)40Hz-dominant when problem solving in fearful situations.EQ
Alpha Frequencies (BACK TO TOP)

8Hz to 10Hz-learning new informationMH8Hz to 13Hz-Alpha: relaxed, tranquil and non-drowsy, inward awareness,
bodymind8Hz to 14Hz-Qi Gong and infratonic Qi Gong machineQG8.0Hz-Past life regression—8.3Hz-Pick up visual images of mental objects9.0Hz-Awareness of causes of body imbalance and means for balance—9.41Hz-Pyramid frequency (outside)9.6Hz-Mean dominant frequency associated with the earth’s magnetic
fieldEQ10Hz-enhanced release of serotonin and mood elevator, universally
beneficial, use to try effects of other mixesMG. Acts as an analgesic,
safest frequency, especially for hangover and jet lag.EQ Meg
Patterson used for nicotine withdrawal.MB310.2Hz-Catecholamines10.5Hz-Healing of body, mind/body unity, firewalking—; potent stabilizer
and stimulating for the immunity, valuable in convalescence.MG10.6Hz-Relaxed and alert12.0Hz-Centering, doorway to all other frequencies—
Theta Frequencies (BACK TO TOP)

4Hz to 6Hz-attitude and behavior changeMH4Hz to 7Hz-Theta: recall, fantasy, imagery, creativity, planning, dreaming,
switching thoughts, Zen meditation, drowsiness.4Hz-Enkephalins; Extrasensory perceptionMG4.9Hz-Theta brain wave5.0Hz-unusual problem solving—5.5Hz-Moves beyond knowledge to knowing, shows vision of growth needed6.0Hz-long term memory stimulationMG6.3Hz-Astral Projection, Accelerated learning & Increased memory retention7.0Hz-Mental and astral projection, psychic surgery, bending objects7.5Hz-Inter-awareness of self and purpose, guided meditation, creativity,
contact with spirit guides; entry into meditationMG, invention, music7.83Hz-Earth Resonance, grounding—, “Schumann Resonance.”
Delta Frequencies (BACK TO TOP)

0.16Hz to 10Hz-NeuralgiasAT0.18Hz to 10Hz-Mod. TherapyAT0.20Hz to 0.26Hz-Dental PainAT0.20Hz to 10Hz-Post-traumaticsAT0.28Hz to 2.15Hz-Alcohol addictionAT0.28Hz to 10Hz-ArthritisAT0.30Hz to 0.15Hz-DepressionAT0.30Hz to 10Hz-Cervobrachial syndromeAT0.37Hz to 2.15Hz-Drug addictionAT0.40Hz to 10Hz-ConfusionAT0.45Hz to 10Hz-Muscle painAT0.5Hz-very relaxing, against headache MG, for lower back painAS0.95Hz to 10Hz-WhiplashAT1Hz to 3Hz-Delta: deep, dreamless sleep, trance state, non-REM sleep1.0Hz-Feeling of well-being, pituitary stimulation to release growth
hormone; overall view of inter-relationships; harmony and balanceMG1.45Hz-Tri-thalamic entrainment format. According to Ronald deStrulle,
creates entrainment between hypothalamus, pituitary and pineal. May
benefit dyslexics and people with Alzheimer’s.MP22.15Hz to 10Hz-TendovaginatisAT2.5Hz-pain relief, relaxationMG. Production of endogenous opiates.EQ3.4Hz-Sound sleep3.5Hz-Feeling of unity with everything, accelerated language retention×;
enhancement of receptivityMG

None of this makes any sense.

Did you actually read what is written above? Do you understand the concepts?

Can you relate what is written above to any so-called technologies mentioned in the thread?

weisses

CiaranMT wrote: »

None of this makes any sense.

Why is it not making any sense ?

CiaranMT wrote: »

Did you actually read what is written above? Do you understand the concepts?

What is your take on the concepts ??

CiaranMT wrote: »

Can you relate what is written above to any so-called technologies mentioned in the thread?

How do you relate what is written above to the technologies mentioned in the thread ?

CiaranMT

When I see a whole load of 'technical' information which mentions chakras, psychic surgery, Christ consciousness, astral projection, etc., I begin to wonder if stuar had even read what he has posted.

Fwiw, I am familiar with sleep waves. Sleep was included as part of my Psychology degree.

What stuar has been posting is variously unconnected, or only very partially connnected, to what is being discussed.

If you take the time to read some of links, you'll see what I mean.

afrodub

Again with reference to Stasi partially due to the credibility via preserved documents,there is a target (Ti) who claims herself to be also a former victim of Stasi tactics allegedly she was codenamed `pacifist`,(assume she like many former victims of Stasi has now had access to verify the files kept on her), she is Heike Sura Painter.

She was a resident of the former East Germany during that era and now a US based citizen.She has even taken the step of writing an open letter to President Obama as an appeal and describing her alleged abuse /torture both psychologically and electronically.

The noted references in above posts of the numbers involved,( perps),`millions`..this speculative figure does not appreciate the subtlety of methods used nor the ability/and capability of electronic harassment to reinforce `anchor`and condition the alleged targets.Therefore numbers involved I can also only speculate but again the `methods` employed would keep numbers more to a I would suggest `manageable`figure.Also appreciate those numbers targeted (Ti`s) are also I would believe very proportionately small,presently !!

Link to Heike Sura Painter`s open letter to Obama :

http://www.examiner.com/human-rights-in-national/human-target-to-president-obama-ensure-ti-justice-and-accept-our-help-letter

afrodub

afrodub wrote: »

Again with reference to Stasi partially due to the credibility via preserved documents,there is a target (Ti) who claims herself to be also a former victim of Stasi tactics allegedly she was codenamed `pacifist`,(assume she like many former victims of Stasi has now had access to verify the files kept on her), she is Heike Sura Painter.

She was a resident of the former East Germany during that era and now a US based citizen.She has even taken the step of writing an open letter to President Obama as an appeal and describing her alleged abuse /torture both psychologically and electronically.

The noted references in above posts of the numbers involved,( perps),`millions`..this speculative figure does not appreciate the subtlety of methods used nor the ability/and capability of electronic harassment to reinforce `anchor`and condition the alleged targets.Therefore numbers involved I can also only speculate but again the `methods` employed would keep numbers more to a I would suggest `manageable`figure.Also appreciate those numbers targeted (Ti`s) are also I would believe very proportionately small,presently !!

Link to Heike Sura Painter`s open letter to Obama :

http://www.examiner.com/human-rights-in-national/human-target-to-president-obama-ensure-ti-justice-and-accept-our-help-letter

In the above letter she claims that there is tens of thousands of victims of organised stalking.
For one person to be a victim of this, hundreds of people must work together to produce all of the claimed instances.
So hundreds multiplied by tens of thousands is millions.

And just because this lady might have been targeted by the Stazi, it does not make her immune or exempt from the problems that might confuse others and make them believe that they are victims of non-existent programs of harassment.

stuar

CiaranMT wrote: »

None of this makes any sense.

It does. Kingmob said "none of this is possible"..IE..Electronic Harassment (EH), maybe I could have given a better example of brain wave frequencies, such as this:
Brain’s ‘radio stations’ have much to tell scientists http://news.wustl.edu/news/Pages/21826.aspx

CiaranMT wrote: »

Did you actually read what is written above? Do you understand the concepts?

Yes the brain uses elecronic frequency waves, frequencies can be altered, transmitted, recieved and blocked with the proper equipment.

CiaranMT wrote: »

Can you relate what is written above to any so-called technologies mentioned in the thread?

Again YES, the OP, he mentions EH or Electronic Harassment.

Electronic harassment is a term referring to the use of electronic devices to harass, torture, or physically harm a person, not to be confused with cyberstalking.
Laws against electronic harassment.
Michigan
Public act 257 of 2003 makes it a felony for a person to "manufacture, deliver, possess, transport, place, use, or release" a "harmful electronic or electromagnetic device" for "an unlawful purpose"; also made into a felony is the act of causing "an individual to falsely believe that the individual has been exposed to a... harmful electronic or electromagnetic device."[1]
Public act 328 of 1931 makes it a felony for a person to "sell, offer for sale, or possess" a "portable device or weapon" the emits an "electrical current, impulse, wave, or beam may be directed, which current, impulse, wave, or beam" can "incapacitate temporarily, injure, or kill". [2] This can apply to Tasers or handheld lasers, etc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_harassment

What I am talking about is EH, and how govt's are trying to manipulate brain function with electronic devices, I already linked to them in my first post. Kingmob seemed to think it wasn't possible.

Brainwave entrainment or "brainwave synchronization," is any practice that aims to cause brainwave frequencies to fall into step with a periodic stimulus having a frequency corresponding to the intended brain-state (for example, to induce sleep), usually attempted with the use of specialized software. It purportedly depends upon a "frequency following" response on the assumption that the human brain has a tendency to change its dominant EEG frequency towards the frequency of a dominant external stimulus.I][URL="http://www.boards.ie/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed"][COLOR=#0645ad]citation needed[/COLOR][/URL][/I Such a stimulus is often aural, as in the case of binaural or monaural beats and isochronic tones, or else visual, as with a dreamachine, a combination of the two with a mind machine, or even electromagnetic radiation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainwave_entrainment

My point being that manipulation of the human brain is possible:

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=16&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PTXT&s1=3,951,134&OS=3,951,134&RS=3,951,134

http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/brain-stimulation-therapies/brain-stimulation-therapies.shtml

http://www.plosbiology.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pbio.1001289

And if brain function can be altered to put an idea, a voice or anything else into somebody's head it is a form of EH.

And what can be done locally by placing something on the brain can be done remotely from a distance or amplified/transmitted to many.

stuar

stuar wrote: »

My point being that manipulation of the human brain is possible:

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-bool.html&r=16&f=G&l=50&co1=AND&d=PTXT&s1=3,951,134&OS=3,951,134&RS=3,951,134

http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/brain-stimulation-therapies/brain-stimulation-therapies.shtml

http://www.plosbiology.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pbio.1001289

And if brain function can be altered to put an idea, a voice or anything else into somebody's head it is a form of EH.

And what can be done locally by placing something on the brain can be done remotely from a distance or amplified/transmitted to many.

First one is a patent, which you can get for practically anything you'd like regardless of whether it actually works or not.
The second involves altering the brain and nerves with direct application of electric currents and very high power magnets, it has nothing to do with radiowaves altering brainwaves.
And the third has absolutely nothing relevant to the topic other than the words "brain" and military research.

And even if we ignore what your sources actually say and accept that they mean you can beam voices into people's heads, it isn't as simple as "amplifying it". And even then if it was, why couldn't we detect this magic brain altering signal with cheap radios and radio scanners?

And all of this is course ignoring the points such as:
You'd still require millions of people for the organised stalking.
Your original sources believed abject nonsense like astral projection and psychic surgery.
There's still no plausible benefit from doing all of this.
And that all the claims remain indistinguishable for the claims of those who are overly paranoid and/or are suffering from mental issues.

afrodub

King Mob wrote: »

In the above letter she claims that there is tens of thousands of victims of organised stalking.
For one person to be a victim of this, hundreds of people must work together to produce all of the claimed instances.
So hundreds multiplied by tens of thousands is millions.

And just because this lady might have been targeted by the Stazi, it does not make her immune or exempt from the problems that might confuse others and make them believe that they are victims of non-existent programs of harassment.

One small but important correction to note here, King Mob,it is not the alleged Ti,(Heike Sura Painter),who makes the claim of `tens of thousands`of victims, it is the author of the article, renowned and respected Human rights activist Deborah Dupre.

Again your continued assertion that `millions`,(of perpetrators), must be involved,(not discounting your mass/large scale psychosis contention/explanation),is not substantiated nor IMO even plausible.

What`s being assumed is there are exclusively full time dedicated perps involved,in these organised harassments,no doubt that is feasible,however reading testimonies gives the impression/understanding that perps fit in their actions around their `everyday` life.Hence why perps are used from elements of the public sector,post office,utility company`s etc and these are alleged to have notable involvement,in `working over` the target (Ti).

stuar

King Mob wrote: »

And even if we ignore what your sources actually say and accept that they mean you can beam voices into people's heads, it isn't as simple as "amplifying it". And even then if it was, why couldn't we detect this magic brain altering signal with cheap radios and radio scanners?

That's really a retarded idea, how many cheap radios or scanners go to 30hz and below?

http://phys.org/news122567894.html

http://thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/03files/Sonic_Projection.html

But there are hints of ongoing research: An academic paper written for the Air Force in the mid-1990s mentions the idea of a weapon that would use sound waves to send words into a person's head. "The signal can be a 'message from God' that can warn the enemy of impending doom, or encourage the enemy to surrender," the author concluded.

In 2002, the Air Force Research Laboratory patented precisely such a technology: using microwaves to send words into someone's head. That work is frequently cited on mind-control Web sites. Rich Garcia, a spokesman for the research laboratory's directed energy directorate, declined to discuss that patent or current or related research in the field, citing the lab's policy not to comment on its microwave work.

In response to a Freedom of Information Act request filed for this article, the Air Force released unclassified documents surrounding that 2002 patent -- records that note that the patent was based on human experimentation in October 1994 at the Air Force lab, where scientists were able to transmit phrases into the heads of human subjects, albeit with marginal intelligibility. Research appeared to continue at least through 2002. Where this work has gone since is unclear -- the research laboratory, citing classification, refused to discuss it or release other materials.

afrodub

Purely coincidental I`m sure ,but the hiring of a certain Markus Wolfe former boss of the STASI to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security in or around 2004 apparently ..alarms..bells..and indeed ringing !!

There again its simply business as usual,and merely more of the same,especially to those familiar with the so named eg Operation Paperclip.

www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2004/12/302870.html

stuar

Read page numbered 8 (10th in the PDF), about "voice in the head" technology, according to this freedom of information document it has been done in a lab (page 7), would be useful where a hostage is surrounded by his captors to talk to him without his captors hearing.

http://www.freedomfchs.com/usarmyrptonmicrowavefx.pdf

stuar

King Mob wrote: »

And even if we ignore what your sources actually say and accept that they mean you can beam voices into people's heads, it isn't as simple as "amplifying it". And even then if it was, why couldn't we detect this magic brain altering signal with cheap radios and scanners.

Here's an article from 2007 with "voice in the head" technology being used in advertising, have a good read Kingmob, I know you'll reply with some BS.

Hear Voices? It May Be an Ad.
NEW YORK (AdAge.com) -- New Yorker Alison Wilson was walking down Prince Street in SoHo last week when she heard a woman's voice right in her ear asking, "Who's there? Who's there?" She looked around to find no one in her immediate surroundings. Then the voice said, "It's not your imagination."
Indeed it isn't. It's an ad for "Paranormal State," a ghost-themed series premiering on A&E this week. The billboard uses technology manufactured by Holosonic that transmits an "audio spotlight" from a rooftop speaker so that the sound is contained within your cranium.
The technology, ideal for museums and libraries or environments that require a quiet atmosphere for isolated audio slideshows, has rarely been used on such a scale before. For random passersby and residents who have to walk unwittingly through the area where the voice will penetrate their inner peace, it's another story.
Ms. Wilson, a New York-based stylist, said she expected the voice inside her head to be some type of creative project but could see how others might perceive it differently, particularly on a late-night stroll home. "I might be a little freaked out, and I wouldn't necessarily think it's coming from that billboard," she said.
http://adage.com/article/news/hear-voices-ad/122491/

Jonny7

stuar wrote: »

Here's an article from 2007 with "voice in the head" technology being used in advertising, have a good read Kingmob, I know you'll reply with some BS.

Hear Voices? It May Be an Ad.
NEW YORK (AdAge.com) -- New Yorker Alison Wilson was walking down Prince Street in SoHo last week when she heard a woman's voice right in her ear asking, "Who's there? Who's there?" She looked around to find no one in her immediate surroundings. Then the voice said, "It's not your imagination."
Indeed it isn't. It's an ad for "Paranormal State," a ghost-themed series premiering on A&E this week. The billboard uses technology manufactured by Holosonic that transmits an "audio spotlight" from a rooftop speaker so that the sound is contained within your cranium.
The technology, ideal for museums and libraries or environments that require a quiet atmosphere for isolated audio slideshows, has rarely been used on such a scale before. For random passersby and residents who have to walk unwittingly through the area where the voice will penetrate their inner peace, it's another story.
Ms. Wilson, a New York-based stylist, said she expected the voice inside her head to be some type of creative project but could see how others might perceive it differently, particularly on a late-night stroll home. "I might be a little freaked out, and I wouldn't necessarily think it's coming from that billboard," she said.
http://adage.com/article/news/hear-voices-ad/122491/

That's focused sound, its being sent to the ears not the brain. Not very effective for hypothetical "organised stalking" especially if the person just blocks their ears for a second.

afrodub

Quote at the beginning of an article by Dr.Nick Begich, of whom I am a recent admirer of his published work, exposing and describing the issues of Mind control and of Electronic Harassment

`It would also appear possible to create high fidelity speech in the human body,raising the possibility of covert suggestion and psychological direction...Thus, it may be possible to "talk" to selected adversaries in a fashion that would be most disturbing to them.`

US Air Force,New World Vistas: Air and Space Power for the 21st Century.

www.mindpowernews.com/BraveNewWorld.htm


PS King Mob, I`m out to the shops tomorrow,might pop into Maplins see about buying one of those cheap radios,you know the ones that detect the magic signals

al28283

afrodub wrote: »

PS King Mob, I`m out to the shops tomorrow,might pop into Maplins see about buying one of those cheap radios,you know the ones that detect the magic signals

Silly comment
While you're there pick up one of these mind control devices :rolleyes:

afrodub

afrodub wrote: »

One small but important correction to note here, King Mob,it is not the alleged Ti,(Heike Sura Painter),who makes the claim of `tens of thousands`of victims, it is the author of the article, renowned and respected Human rights activist Deborah Dupre.

Again your continued assertion that `millions`,(of perpetrators), must be involved,(not discounting your mass/large scale psychosis contention/explanation),is not substantiated nor IMO even plausible.

What`s being assumed is there are exclusively full time dedicated perps involved,in these organised harassments,no doubt that is feasible,however reading testimonies gives the impression/understanding that perps fit in their actions around their `everyday` life.Hence why perps are used from elements of the public sector,post office,utility company`s etc and these are alleged to have notable involvement,in `working over` the target (Ti).

So you are now claiming that there are a group of people who's job it is to infiltrate government offices and slow down various paperwork, drive around in traffic to bug specific people and occasionally just stand around and look at a specific person?

So how many of these people are there? How many targets are they assigned? How much are they paid?

Why is the idea of tens of thousands of people having mental issues so implausible?

stuar

stuar wrote: »

That's really a retarded idea, how many cheap radios or scanners go to 30hz and below?

http://phys.org/news122567894.html

http://thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/03files/Sonic_Projection.html

Again neither of those things involve what's being claimed, are capable of producing what's being claimed or even if they did, none are more than theoretical.

Nor does it explain why they'd give up their secret technology in a patent.

Or why you used a source that believes such silly things like astral projection and other psychic powers.