Moving To Tallaght!

byebye

Hi,

I'm going to be moving to tallaght for work in the next month, I want to find out areas to look at and ones to aviod??

I'l be working in cookstown ind estate so somplace within easy reacy by public transport from there!

also what are the best web sites for house shares?

Thanks in advance

Nuttzz

Cookstown is served by the luas red line so why look to live in tallaght at all?

Share an apartment with someone in the IFSC, so you have the red line to take you to and from work with all the amenities of the city centre

byebye

Nuttzz wrote: »

Cookstown is served by the luas red line so why look to live in tallaght at all?

Share an apartment with someone in the IFSC, so you have the red line to take you to and from work with all the amenities of the city centre

is it a long trip on the luas? i'm clueless about luas and dublin bus routes!

Mr. Loverman

Citywest is grand. Lived there for about a year.

fox_1973

kilnamanagh is a good area, or kingswood, both within walking distance of cookstown

dearg lady

byebye wrote: »

is it a long trip on the luas? i'm clueless about luas and dublin bus routes!

think it's around 45 min trip. If it was me personally I'd probly go for somewhere in the middle of the luas line, as tallaght is quite far out. Now this obviously depends on how much time you plan to spend in the city centre! Kingswood is a lovely part of tallaght.

byebye

dearg lady wrote: »

think it's around 45 min trip. If it was me personally I'd probly go for somewhere in the middle of the luas line, as tallaght is quite far out. Now this obviously depends on how much time you plan to spend in the city centre! Kingswood is a lovely part of tallaght.

Ya 45min seems a bit long really! i looked at kingswood looks to be a good postion!

TwoShedsJackson

Kingswood, Belgard Heights, Alpine Rise are the best areas around there and all within a few minutes walk of Cookstown Industrial Estate.

dazzlemoo

I don't think it's a good idea to ask what areas you should avoid-bound to cause ructions on here if someone slates an area.
I'm from Tallaght and I do think some parts are better than others, but I'm not gonna start naming them.

frankled

Springfield, Kilnamanagh, Kingswood and Belgard are all right beside Cookstown and are probably amongst the nicer parts of Tallaght. Citywest/Saggart on Luas red line also- loads of options.

Adrift

I grew up in Tallaght, plenty of good options there.

Bancroft is one of the nicest and afer areas in Tallaght, could be expensive to rent there though, check it out.


Kilnamanagh, Kingswood, Belgard are all fine, if nothing spectacular.


Glenview is also not too bad, Firhouse could be another option.


The Luas redline is actually quite bad in my opinion/personal experience so it's best avoided. If you can rent somewhere from the above list it and avoid the Luas it would be better. There are plent of Buses from Tallagh to the City center and it's actually quicker on the bus as the Luas route meanders quite a bit!

listermint

Hi OP,

There are apartments at the square shopping centre 'Belgard Square West' These are new, they have 24 hr security parking and are right on the luas line as in its 60 seconds walk from your door.

There are amenities in the area, the civic theatre various restaurants bars and the square shopping centre which just opened its brand new cinema. You can walk to Cookstown Ind Est in 15 mins or take the luas if your lazy. you can also get the luas or any of about 10 bus routes into the city centre and anytime.

The area is perfectly fine. If you fancy monday / friday night soccer go visit Rovers to pick up the atmosphere.

The alternate is to live in the city and luas out to cookstown city to door would be 40 mins travel on the luas.


Best of luck.

Francie Barrett

As a general rule, the further west you are in Tallaght, the dodgier the area gets. Personally, I wouldn't want to live in Tallaght at all. I recently took a trip to The Square shopping centre and saw pregnant women smoking at the front door with people inside the shop spitting on the floor. I hear the nightlife can be rough enough too, so perhaps you might want to consider living in the city and getting the Luas out? If I recall, it's only 35 minutes from the city centre.

ifwah

Posts like the one above annoy me, yes Tallaght has rough parts but it also has lovely spots too.
Try around citywest, you'll be on the luas track which will bring you straight to cookstown.
Dunnes stores is right on your doorstep and saggart village is only up the road. Try carrigmore, carrigcourt or swiftwood, all nice quiet estates.

dearg lady

Francie Barrett wrote: »

As a general rule, the further west you are in Tallaght, the dodgier the area gets. Personally, I wouldn't want to live in Tallaght at all. I recently took a trip to The Square shopping centre and saw pregnant women smoking at the front door with people inside the shop spitting on the floor. I hear the nightlife can be rough enough too, so perhaps you might want to consider living in the city and getting the Luas out? If I recall, it's only 35 minutes from the city centre.

Is this a wind up? You wouldn't live in a area where you once saw pregnant women smoking? Are you for real?
You would be lucky to get from the city centre in 35 minutes.

saa

Ah I love getting the bus in when there isn't much traffic scoots in it does 20 mins or the usual 45-55.
I would recommend for someone to rent in Tallaght (as I am myself) because for under 1k a month you can rent a 3 bed house in Oldbawn or Alyselbury which are both nice and quiet, or rent a very modern flat in one of those new blocks near the square which are as far as I know generally rented privately because the owners/developers will not rent to council (They have been refused again and again) so mainly young irish couples and polish there, and around the centre there is not really any riff raff the odd drug addict you'll see but I've never been asked for money waiting for the bus they only do that in town in my experience and kids about but never any hassle I have walked around at night (getting off luas) and never had any problems.

And I know Brennan are renting some nice new flats in the Village which is super quiet, a fair few flats but never any trouble, buses and shops right outside, the only thing about tallaght that gives it that rep is the bad estates west like jobstown and killinardan/cushlawn south but I live at the back of cushlawn and its fine, wouldnt want to live in it though.

Cuddlesworth

listermint wrote: »

Hi OP,

There are apartments at the square shopping centre 'Belgard Square West' These are new, they have 24 hr security parking and are right on the luas line as in its 60 seconds walk from your door.

Sister lived in one of the blocks for six months.

Post stolen constantly.
Pissing and puking in lifts on a constant basis.
Fights in corridors, doors being kicked in.


Lovely apartments though. Shame about the neighbours.

Francie Barrett

dearg lady wrote: »

Is this a wind up? You wouldn't live in a area where you once saw pregnant women smoking? Are you for real?
You would be lucky to get from the city centre in 35 minutes.

No wind-up, Tallaght is not a desirable place for me to live in.

Man007

Francie Barrett wrote: »

dearg lady wrote: »

Is this a wind up? You wouldn't live in a area where you once saw pregnant women smoking? Are you for real?
You would be lucky to get from the city centre in 35 minutes.

No wind-up, Tallaght is not a desirable place for me to live in.

I second that tallaght is not great there are plenty of nicer places within 20 mins Templeogue Terenure Rathfarnham Knocklyon to name a few surely 15-20 mins is not a bad commute.

MagicMarker

Why commute for 20 minutes when there are plenty of perfectly nice places walking distance from Cookstown?

To say all of Tallaght is not great is ridiculous, and to be frank, bollocks.

dearg lady

Francie Barrett wrote: »

No wind-up, Tallaght is not a desirable place for me to live in.

Fair enough if you don't want to live there, but those reasons you gave in your last post are laughable. Honestly I would think you need to mind your own business and get a life if these are your major concerns about where to live

Snakeblood

dearg lady wrote: »

Fair enough if you don't want to live there, but those reasons you gave in your last post are laughable. Honestly I would think you need to mind your own business and get a life if these are your major concerns about where to live

If someone asks advice on where is good to live, then they're entitled to respond. I live in Tallaght, used to live in Citywest, and it's fine, but there's no need to be rude to someone who is expressing a different opinion.

listermint

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

Sister lived in one of the blocks for six months.

Post stolen constantly.
Pissing and puking in lifts on a constant basis.
Fights in corridors, doors being kicked in.


Lovely apartments though. Shame about the neighbours.

Ive lived in them too, never had any of that hastle tbh. Are you confident its the same block. There was a block i looked at previously over supervalu, I wouldnt be confident living in.

Those surrounding captain americas are very quiet. Security will be on your door in 10 minutes if your making excessive noise (parties etc)

dearg lady

Snakeblood wrote: »

If someone asks advice on where is good to live, then they're entitled to respond. I live in Tallaght, used to live in Citywest, and it's fine, but there's no need to be rude to someone who is expressing a different opinion.

Plenty of people have expressed that they wouldn't live in Tallaght for very good reasons. That's fine. I maintain that seeing pregnant women smoking is a ludicrous reason to dislike an area. And I don't think that I was rude, genuinely, people should mind their own bloody business.

listermint

Snakeblood wrote: »

If someone asks advice on where is good to live, then they're entitled to respond. I live in Tallaght, used to live in Citywest, and it's fine, but there's no need to be rude to someone who is expressing a different opinion.

Theyre opinion is based on seeing some pregnant bird smoking?

Come of it, you cant tar an entire area with a population of 80 or so thousand based on that crap. Some opinions need to be called out for what they are. (tripe)


And as for the poster that suggested so called 'nicer' areas. The cost of rental in these areas will far exceed anything you will get in tallaght and most likely will me smaller.

Me id prefer less commuting time and massive savings on my cost of living. Leaves more time and cash for beers

wrmwit

Get yourself a bike OP and cycle to work. Way better than depending on public transport. Saying that the Luas is a pretty good service! It rains a lot less here than the west!

Capri86

God forbid the only pregnant woman to ever smoke happened to be at the square. I used to live in tallaght. Very nice neighbours too. Ok I had a few bad experiences, my house was broken into and so was my car within a year. But I strongly believe that happens everywhere and I was unlucky. Tallaght has a few bad spots but has a much worse name for it than it deserves

Snakeblood

dearg lady wrote: »

Plenty of people have expressed that they wouldn't live in Tallaght for very good reasons. That's fine. I maintain that seeing pregnant women smoking is a ludicrous reason to dislike an area. And I don't think that I was rude, genuinely, people should mind their own bloody business.

Telling someone to get a life is rude. Also telling people to mind their own bloody business, particularly as they answered an open question. I'm not sure what you don't understand about that.

dearg lady

Snakeblood wrote: »

Telling someone to get a life is rude. Also telling people to mind their own bloody business, particularly as they answered an open question. I'm not sure what you don't understand about that.

Yes, ignore the ridiculousness of what was said, good idea! I meant mind his own business in passing comment on a pregnant woman smoking, not replying to this thread. And I don't think it is any of his business to pass comment. For all he knows it's one cigarette she has in 9 months. None of his business. Honestly I think if that is someones biggest worry then they do need to get a life, and not be minding how other people live theirs.

Snakeblood

dearg lady wrote: »

Yes, ignore the ridiculousness of what was said, good idea! I meant mind his own business in passing comment on a pregnant woman smoking, not replying to this thread. And I don't think it is any of his business to pass comment. For all he knows it's one cigarette she has in 9 months. None of his business. Honestly I think if that is someones biggest worry then they do need to get a life, and not be minding how other people live theirs.

Saying 'Hey, I disagree' is different to saying 'Mind your own business, get a life'. I'm not taking issue with you disagreeing. I'm taking issue with you being rude to someone. I thought I was pretty clear.

dearg lady

Snakeblood wrote: »

Saying 'Hey, I disagree' is different to saying 'Mind your own business, get a life'. I'm not taking issue with you disagreeing. I'm taking issue with you being rude to someone. I thought I was pretty clear.

I maintain that the individual SHOULD mind his own business with reference to someone smoking, how does it infringe on him or his living situation. I don't believe I said anything rude.
EDIT: Just realised have really veered off topic, sorry!

Snakeblood

dearg lady wrote: »

I maintain that the individual SHOULD mind his own business with reference to someone smoking, how does it infringe on him or his living situation. I don't believe I said anything rude.

He was asked his opinion on why it wasn't a good place to live and gave it. We'll agree to disagree about rudeness. I don't like people I didn't know saying get a life or mind your own business in daily life. I'd think whoever said it was being rude, frankly.

dearg lady

Snakeblood wrote: »

He was asked his opinion on why it wasn't a good place to live and gave it. Why don't you mind your own business?

He gave his opinion and I dispute his reasoning. we're both responding on a public thread, and we're both entitled to it. I've been quite clear about what I mean by suggesting he mind his own business. I'm not dragging this any further OT.

Man007

dearg lady wrote: »

He gave his opinion and I dispute his reasoning. we're both responding on a public thread, and we're both entitled to it. I've been quite clear about what I mean by suggesting he mind his own business. I'm not dragging this any further OT.

I think people are focusing too much on the smoking pregnant women I think the poster was using it to refer to a certain type of person that hangs around in that area ie a pieball prob on the scratcher.

Let's be honest there are a lot of valid reasons to not want to live in certain parts of tallaght I spend a lot of time in the area on account of friends living there and yes the majority are nice people but there are more scumbags engaging in anti social behaviour than other areas I suggested and that's the truth I think it would be worth it to spend the extra money one poster pointed out it would cost to not have the hassle of dealing with them.

Just my opinion.

dearg lady

Man007 wrote: »

I think people are focusing too much on the smoking pregnant women I think the poster was using it to refer to a certain type of person that hangs around in that area ie a pieball prob on the scratcher.

Let's be honest there are a lot of valid reasons to not want to live in certain parts of tallaght I spend a lot of time in the area on account of friends living there and yes the majority are nice people but there are more scumbags engaging in anti social behaviour than other areas I suggested and that's the truth I think it would be worth it to spend the extra money one poster pointed out it would cost to not have the hassle of dealing with them.

Just my opinion.

Maybe so, but I do think if someone posts on a public board their opinion could be challenged (as mine has been too!!) There are of course good reasons to avoid living in certain areas, but the individual whose posted I disputed has tarred the whole of Tallaght with one brush and for seemingly no good reason.

listermint

Man007 wrote: »

I think people are focusing too much on the smoking pregnant women I think the poster was using it to refer to a certain type of person that hangs around in that area ie a pieball prob on the scratcher.

Let's be honest there are a lot of valid reasons to not want to live in certain parts of tallaght I spend a lot of time in the area on account of friends living there and yes the majority are nice people but there are more scumbags engaging in anti social behaviour than other areas I suggested and that's the truth I think it would be worth it to spend the extra money one poster pointed out it would cost to not have the hassle of dealing with them.

Just my opinion.

So you dont live there then?

Got it.

OP i think your best taking the advice of people that live in the area. Ive rented in Cabinteely. Makes not bones it was an all singing dancing 'Penthouse apartment' which cost and arm and a leg. And i can tell you most candidly There were so many scumbags around that area that it was laughable. Between the parties / shouting and hollering oh and the drug dealer that crashed into my car and drove off leaving me with a 600 Euro bill (the guards told me directly he was not the type to go chasing after).


So in summation take advice off people who have experience of living in an area and not some jaunter who saunters through. BTW ive left Cabinteely rent was high and the hastle was terrible. I believe the value on that apartment was circa 600,000 so you can see where im coming from when people tell you to move to so called 'nicer' areas.

Babooshka

dearg lady wrote: »

Maybe so, but I do think if someone posts on a public board their opinion could be challenged (as mine has been too!!) There are of course good reasons to avoid living in certain areas, but the individual whose posted I disputed has tarred the whole of Tallaght with one brush and for seemingly no good reason.

I think possibly you zoned in on the "pregnant women smoking" thing a bit too much, as the poster also mentioned people spitting inside the shopping centre. As someone who frequented the Square and the Luas red line for the last three years I can see what the person was talking about, What I got from it was he was trying to set the tone and paint a picture of the place, which to be honest, around the Square, can be quite bloody scary at times, and I wouldn't choose to live exactly right there myself. But The Square, does not equal all of tallaght, and there are far nicer parts of Tallaght of course.

listermint

Babooshka wrote: »

I think possibly you zoned in on the "pregnant women smoking" thing a bit too much, as the poster also mentioned people spitting inside the shopping centre. As someone who frequented the Square and the Luas red line for the last three years I can see what the person was talking about, What I got from it was he was trying to set the tone and paint a picture of the place, which to be honest, around the Square, can be quite bloody scary at times, and I wouldn't choose to live exactly right there myself. But The Square, does not equal all of tallaght, and there are far nicer parts of Tallaght of course.

Sorry but im still going to call people on this, I have never once in my entire life seen anyone spit inside the shopping centre EVER.

Painting a picture and spreading falsehoods are two different things.

And no i dont have rose tinted glasses either. You can spot a scaldy b*ll*x from miles away and they have them in every area you go to. So lets not generalise.

Peanut2011

frankled wrote: »

Springfield, Kilnamanagh, Kingswood and Belgard are all right beside Cookstown and are probably amongst the nicer parts of Tallaght. Citywest/Saggart on Luas red line also- loads of options.

OP this is probably the best advice I have seen on the thread. I have lived in Tallaght for a long time and I can say to you yes it has bad areas but most places do.

I would avoid Luas if at all possible.. The areas mentioned above are close enough and if you cycle you would be 5-10min away.

Snakeblood

listermint wrote: »

Sorry but im still going to call people on this, I have never once in my entire life seen anyone spit inside the shopping centre EVER.

Painting a picture and spreading falsehoods are two different things.

And no i dont have rose tinted glasses either. You can spot a scaldy b*ll*x from miles away and they have them in every area you go to. So lets not generalise.

While I wouldn't advise against living in Tallaght (as I do myself), while I was at the Square at Christmas, I saw a guy steal a car near the entrance to the Square, drive into the pillars near the bus stops, bending them, then drive out the wrong way from the exit near the petrol station, except a bus got in his way. On the side of the Luas, beside the square, the junkies hang out during summer. The bus stop opposite the chipper, that goes into Jobstown, I've seen fights break out at 5pm. I've had a shopping trolley fired through the glass porch of the house I'm renting, a breezeblock through the rear window of my car. I've had 2 stolen purses on different occassions thrown into my backgarden. When I was living in citywest, joyriders parked their car in the spaces in front of my apartment, and hid there, while the police went by. When I was going to vote in Jobstown, someone driving a car drove in a U-turn and parked directly the middle of the road to get out and shout at his friend.

All of that wasn't great, but it's been over 6-7 years. It doesn't make it the best place to live, it's certainly not the worst. People only remember the negative events and not the quiet days where absolutely nothing happens, which is the vast majority of the time. For comparisons sake, I lived in Dundrum for years, got beaten up 4 times and burgled 5 times.

K.Flyer

If you want to be within walking distance of Cookstown Ind Est, and your job is the Belgard end of the estate, then Belgard Heights, Kingswood Heights and the Belgard Road end of Kilnamanagh will suit perfectly as you are still very close to the Luas line with Bus routes and Shops etc all closeby.
If you are working closer to the Hospital end of the Ind Est, you could consider Birchwood, Alderwood or Cairnwood, still beside the Luas, near Bus routes, Shops etc
It is true that some parts of Tallaght are better than others, but look, you can get an ar**h*le for a neighbour no matter where you live.

Del2005

Francie Barrett wrote: »

As a general rule, the further west you are in Tallaght, the dodgier the area gets. Personally, I wouldn't want to live in Tallaght at all. I recently took a trip to The Square shopping centre and saw pregnant women smoking at the front door with people inside the shop spitting on the floor.

You wouldn't life in Dublin city them, any time I drive past the Mater or Coombe there are pregnant women smoking outside.

I've never seen anyone spitting in the Square, but then there are scumbags everywhere.

Francie Barrett wrote: »

I hear the nightlife can be rough enough too, so perhaps you might want to consider living in the city and getting the Luas out? If I recall, it's only 35 minutes from the city centre.

There are a few rough pubs and a lot of nice ones.

OP. If you're working anything other than 9-5 I'd avoid the Luas Red line, all the junkies from Dublin come out to smoke and spit in our shops;) But seriously the whole Red line has problems with anti social and criminal behaviour at all times of operation. During rush hour there's less trouble.

Man007 wrote: »

Let's be honest there are a lot of valid reasons to not want to live in certain parts of tallaght I spend a lot of time in the area on account of friends living there and yes the majority are nice people but there are more scumbags engaging in anti social behaviour than other areas I suggested and that's the truth I think it would be worth it to spend the extra money one poster pointed out it would cost to not have the hassle of dealing with them.

Just my opinion.

True there are some bad parts of Tallaght. Just like every town, Tallaght would be the 2nd biggest city in Ireland if it wasn't a suburban town, has bad areas. If you drive through Tallaght it's not too hard to spot the places to avoid.

You need to take the same precautions where ever you live to stop thieves. Don't forget people in "Posh" areas get robbed

borderlinemeath

I've lived in Tallaght, Springfield to be precise. Never had any trouble in 3 years.

I've lived both northside and southside and in the city centre, but the only place I had trouble was when my apartment was broken into was when I was living in Monkstown, beside Dun Laoire.

Some of the things you might see around the square would make you look twice though. Worst I saw was a woman who changed her babys nappy on the table in macdonalds :eek:

Man007

Springfield one of the nicer parts of Tallaght????

Are people taking the piss.

xxpopopxx

Don't know if you have moved yet OP, but I grew up in Tallaght and where I lived in Kingswood I would usually say to people it's not that bad - until our house got broken into - twice- and within 6 months. Ridiculous. I also hear from my friends many other break-ins occuring in Tallaght, I really would not recommend moving to Tallaght. I moved out of Tallaght myself to Rathfarnham and sorry to say this but you can see immediately the difference in class in people compared to Tallaght.

okedoke

Del2005 wrote: »

Just like every town, Tallaght would be the 2nd biggest city in Ireland if it wasn't a suburban town, has bad areas.

I've heard that before allways figured it wasn't true. According to Wikipedia, Tallaght would have a lower population than Dublin, Cork, Limerick, Galway and if you're talking about the Island then Derry and Belfast too. Making it the 7th largest city, if it was separate.

jobless

xxpopopxx wrote: »

Don't know if you have moved yet OP, but I grew up in Tallaght and where I lived in Kingswood I would usually say to people it's not that bad - until our house got broken into - twice- and within 6 months. Ridiculous. I also hear from my friends many other break-ins occuring in Tallaght, I really would not recommend moving to Tallaght. I moved out of Tallaght myself to Rathfarnham and sorry to say this but you can see immediately the difference in class in people compared to Tallaght.

So just because your house was broken into your opinion changed about the area which you had no problem with before. Breakins happen everywhere no matter what the area is.

Every area has its good and bad eggs and just because you got burgled doesnt mean you should tar others who live there as a lesser class of person.... Chances are the thiefs where from somewhere else in the country! Also it seems like your a little lax with the old home security

here's a few people talking down a place in Rathfarnham.... i hope none of the people living here meet you or you might jump out of your skin!
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2054936766

Cuddlesworth

Whitechurch is a isolated council kip at the back of Rathfarnham. Along with a good few others scattered around Dublin in altogether nicer areas. That doesn't change the fact that a very large portion of Tallagh is comparable to it. Your either fooling yourself, have never lived anywhere actually nice or have never had the pleasure of living there.

It has little to do with the crime. Its the daily attitudes of those around you that make a good area.

The Cool

xxpopopxx wrote: »

Don't know if you have moved yet OP, but I grew up in Tallaght and where I lived in Kingswood I would usually say to people it's not that bad - until our house got broken into - twice- and within 6 months. Ridiculous. I also hear from my friends many other break-ins occuring in Tallaght, I really would not recommend moving to Tallaght. I moved out of Tallaght myself to Rathfarnham and sorry to say this but you can see immediately the difference in class in people compared to Tallaght.

Hi,
I'm moving most probably to Tallaght as well, so this thread is of interest to me, and appreciate all the advice on here, but I don't understand this craic ^^ that was mentioned elsewhere of choosing the likes of Rathfarnham instead. I've had that suggested to me by other well-intended people, who clearly don't seem to realise the financial difference between the areas. Myself and the bf are choosing Tallaght because whatever the reputation, it's affordable. We can get a nice 2 bed there for about 800p/m. Going to the likes of Rathfarnham or Sandyford and you're talking 1,000 for anywhere half decent.
So, basically my point is that somebody seeing a man spit in the shopping centre is not at the top of my list of priorities when choosing an area to live in.

msnd

I have been living in Tallaght for the past 3 years and I have found it fine, no problems so far.

PROS
Having the shops on your door step is great. The new cinema is modern, the theatre has some great shows and there is a good library. Our local gym is lovely, clean, well equipped and the park is very nicely planted out and maintained.
We live in a large spacious apartment that is very well managed that has plenty of storage space at a very reasonable price. All our neighbours are working couples and a few very young families. They are all very easy going a quiet.
I use the LUAS everyday to get into town for work as does my husband,we are walking distance from the stops.

CONS
The area does suffer from a terrible litter problem. SDCC workers are out every morning picking litter but it seems to be just as bad the next morning!
There are huge buildings that are empty with empty commercial units that can be a bit creepy.


You will see drug addicts on public transport but they appear to be heading into treatment centres in the city centre, if you don't start on them they don't start on you it seems (or so my experience has been)

Pkiernan

With a few minor precautions, it is a perfectly safe place to live.






















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