How do the young generation depose the failed old establishment ? ? ?

blinding

How do the young generation depose the failed old establishment ? ? ?

As we see all over Europe and indeed all over the world the failed establishment still holds on to the levers of power and finance.

The future belongs to young people and it cannot be left to the failed establishment to nurture the future.

The failed establishment needs to be deposed and the question is, how soon and how will the younger generation bring this to happen ? ? ?

al28283

they probably won't

southsiderosie

Because young people generally vote less than their elders, are less likely to be party or union members, and haven't shown in the same way that pensioners or trade unionists have that they will take to the streets or punish politicians electorally for not looking out for their interests.

europa11

All fine until the (young!) ones who get their hands on the levers of power and finance turn very quicky into an establishment of their own making.

Before you know it, it's Animal Farm.

And as we know only too well in this country, power is handed on from generation to generation anyway.

ambid

southsiderosie wrote: »

Because young people generally vote less than their elders, are less likely to be party or union members, and haven't shown in the same way that pensioners or trade unionists have that they will take to the streets or punish politicians electorally for not looking out for their interests.

That's it exactly.

If people want things to change, then they need to get involved in public policy. Join a political party, organise a campaign, or lobby your TD. It takes a lot of work and there is no shortcut either here or anywhere else.

We can rest assured that some day we will be the failed old establishment

RMD

We wont. Politics in Ireland is a family affair, unless Daddy is high up in a majority party little will be achieved. As said, history repeats itself. Once people get into power a certain few will be corrupted. Irish politics has a lovely history of corruption and nepotism that will repeat itself for the foreseeable future.

antoobrien

al28283 wrote: »

they probably won't

With the liklihood of the young people voting for the looney left, Thank Christ For That, it'd be like turkeys voting for christmas.

RMD

antoobrien wrote: »

With the liklihood of the young people voting for the looney left, Thank Christ For That, it'd be like turkeys voting for christmas.

Don't know what young people you're talking too. Most people I know my age with any interest in politics hate the left realising how generally idiotic their policies are.

antoobrien

RMD wrote: »

antoobrien wrote: »

With the liklihood of the young people voting for the looney left, Thank Christ For That, it'd be like turkeys voting for christmas.

Don't know what young people you're talking too. Most people I know my age with any interest in politics hate the left realising how generally idiotic their policies are.

Wish I could say the same, all my younger relations are some shade of marxist

p1akuw47h5r3it

antoobrien wrote: »

Wish I could say the same, all my younger relations are some shade of marxist

Although I like RMD's post now that I think about it my friends are probably a mix. Though tbh most of them are pretty clueless anyhow, and I'm the only one who has a real interest in politics.

As to regards how do we get rid of the old guard, well I dont think we can as there are no new people to replace them with. I also dont think anything will change regardless. In my opinion when it comes to Ireland the best people stay well clear of politics and do something else, which is most likely to emigrate.

JustinDee

blinding wrote: »

How do the young generation depose the failed old establishment ? ? ?

As we see all over Europe and indeed all over the world the failed establishment still holds on to the levers of power and finance.

The future belongs to young people and it cannot be left to the failed establishment to nurture the future.

The failed establishment needs to be deposed and the question is, how soon and how will the younger generation bring this to happen ? ? ?

The "establishment" was the younger generation.
The so-called young generation doesn't depose the "establishment". It becomes it. Human nature.

dsmythy

Not enough young people care. The answer to your question is average life expectancy.

RMD

RMD wrote: »

We wont. Politics in Ireland is a family affair, unless Daddy is high up in a majority party little will be achieved. As said, history repeats itself. Once people get into power a certain few will be corrupted. Irish politics has a lovely history of corruption and nepotism that will repeat itself for the foreseeable future.

The establishment certainly doesn't begin or end with those who are elected.

murphaph

Simple: Vote.

Actually it takes a bit more engagement than that but voting is the first step. Old people vote, young people vote less. Who are politicians going to work hardest for?

Zombrex

blinding wrote: »

How do the young generation depose the failed old establishment ? ? ?

As we see all over Europe and indeed all over the world the failed establishment still holds on to the levers of power and finance.

The future belongs to young people and it cannot be left to the failed establishment to nurture the future.

The failed establishment needs to be deposed and the question is, how soon and how will the younger generation bring this to happen ? ? ?

The old establishment hasn't failed. Western social democracy is one of the most successful systems of government in the history of humanity (or as Churchhill would say, the worst except for all the others). So much so that across the world people have revolutions trying to establish democracies like ours.

The young generation won't replace it because it is the best one we have.