32 County Sovereignty Movement

Byron85

Does anybody know what the history of the organisation is? I've read in a few places that they're essentially the political wing of the RIRA. Is that an accurate statement to make? I ask because I know a few people in the WSM here in Cork and they have some 32CSM posters up in the local WSM bookshop promoting their ongoing campaign against strip-searches in Magahberry Prison.

Lemming

Byron85 wrote: »

I ask because I know a few people in the WSM here in Cork and they have some 32CSM posters up in the local WSM bookshop promoting their ongoing campaign against strip-searches in Magahberry Prison.

The 32CSM are indeed associated as being the political front for a proscribed, terrorist organisation; namely the RIRA. It is associated to such an extent as to be declared a "Foreign Terrorist Organisation" in itself by the US Government given how inextricably tied it is to the RIRA.

Run, do not walk, out of the door of the WSM bookshop.

Sunnyisland

http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=32%20county%20sovereignty%20movement&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCkQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F32_County_Sovereignty_Movement&ei=uY18T7aFC8HChAfCyP2wDA&usg=AFQjCNF3vGL0_KZlQg9IOisMzhfFwePJQg

http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=32%20county%20sovereignty%20movement&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CDUQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fcork32.blogspot.com%2F&ei=uY18T7aFC8HChAfCyP2wDA&usg=AFQjCNGcEjzHQjPFfOG_JCuqrimn9cyVMA

Information about 32csm and Cork 32csm.

Byron85

realies wrote: »

http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=32%20county%20sovereignty%20movement&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCkQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F32_County_Sovereignty_Movement&ei=uY18T7aFC8HChAfCyP2wDA&usg=AFQjCNF3vGL0_KZlQg9IOisMzhfFwePJQg

http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=32%20county%20sovereignty%20movement&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CDUQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fcork32.blogspot.com%2F&ei=uY18T7aFC8HChAfCyP2wDA&usg=AFQjCNGcEjzHQjPFfOG_JCuqrimn9cyVMA

Information about 32csm and Cork 32csm.

I've seen that Wikipedia entry before but it's somewhat sparse on details. Plus one of their sources is the Daily Mail.

RMD

There's no hard evidence of it being the political wing of the RIRA but it's known by most it is. They release many statements from dissident Republicans so it essentially is without admitting to it. As pointed out, the Americans think they're so well linked to the RIRA that they're a prescribed terrorist organization.

Dirk Gently

Byron85 wrote: »

WSM here in Cork and they have some 32CSM posters up in the local WSM bookshop promoting their ongoing campaign against strip-searches in Magahberry Prison.

What are the wsm doing putting up 32csm posters? Are these particularly young and impressionable wsm members?

Byron85

Dirk Gently wrote: »

What are the wsm doing putting up 32csm posters? Are these particularly young and impressionable wsm members?

It's to do with the protests regarding the Republican prisoners in Maghaberry Prison who are being strip-searched, etc. They have posters, which highlight protests regarding the issue, up in the window of the shop on a regular basis. The posters are also all over the city.

Dirk Gently

Byron85 wrote: »

It's to do with the protests regarding the Republican prisoners in Maghaberry Prison who are being strip-searched, etc. They have posters, which highlight protests regarding the issue, up in the window of the shop on a regular basis. The posters are also all over the city.

yeah but your OP mentioned the WSM (who are basically anarchists).
The 32CSM are a different organisation altogether. (RIRA political wing)

Byron85

Dirk Gently wrote: »

yeah but your OP mentioned the WSM (who are basically anarchists).
The 32CSM are a different organisation altogether. (RIRA political wing)

Oh, sorry. Their posters are up in the local WSM bookstore, Solidarity Books, and I know one or two of the people involved in the running of the store, hence my mention of them.

Dirk Gently

Byron85 wrote: »

Oh, sorry. Their posters are up in the local WSM bookstore, Solidarity Books, and I know one or two of the people involved in the running of the store, hence my mention of them.

If your friends are in the wsm I wouldn't worry too much about it. If they're flirting with the 32csm then I would worry. Not sure why they let the 32csm stick their posters up in their shop, perhaps some kind of solidarity gesture, I dont know. You'll have to ask the wsm what their position is on the 32csm.

Pat D. Almighty

RMD wrote: »

There's no hard evidence of it being the political wing of the RIRA but it's known by most it is. They release many statements from dissident Republicans so it essentially is without admitting to it. As pointed out, the Americans think they're so well linked to the RIRA that they're a prescribed terrorist organization.

It's evidence enough that they release statements on behalf of the psychopaths calling themselves Oglaigh na hEireann.

Border-Rat

Its a farce. Still hasn't given us in the 06 Counties (And Ireland at large) an adequate explanation on the atrocity at Omagh.

RIRA not in my name.

Fratton Fred

Border-Rat wrote: »

Its a farce. Still hasn't given us in the 06 Counties (And Ireland at large) an adequate explanation on the atrocity at Omagh.

RIRA not in my name.

I think that's what these uber patriots in Dublin, Cork and Limerick need to realise. Whilst they might get a kick out of carrying on the fight, the people of the North need to live with the consequences.

RMD

Pat D. Almighty wrote: »

It's evidence enough that they release statements on behalf of the psychopaths calling themselves Oglaigh na hEireann.

In a common sense approach yes it is adequate evidence. In the eyes of the law it isn't and that's where it needs to be proven. I'd love to see the 32CSM be made a proscribed organization. Anyone who actively supports dissident activity is as responsible for the atrocities as the dissidents themselves IMO.

Pat D. Almighty

RMD wrote: »

In a common sense approach yes it is adequate evidence. In the eyes of the law it isn't and that's where it needs to be proven. I'd love to see the 32CSM be made a proscribed organization. Anyone who actively supports dissident activity is as responsible for the atrocities as the dissidents themselves IMO.

I don't agree.

My gripe with the 32CSM, Republican Sinn Féin and Éirigí is that despite making the right social noises, they are treating the people with contempt and disrespecting their vote by refusing to acknowledge the local and national parliament and assemblies.
If they were to contest elections, I'd consider giving an éirigí candidate a 1st preference vote.

Inhousejoke

Hi, I'm a member of the Workers Solidarity Movement (WSM), and to explain why there might be a 32CSM poster in Solidarity Books (which I'm quite suprised at!) is that we support prisoners' rights campaigns such as in the case of Brendan Lillis recently on a human rights basis but we are not republicans and definetly do not support any of the republican paramillitary groups or politcal parties. Is it definetly a 32csm poster, or one with some sort of campaign brand on it?

If you want to know what exactly the WSM's postition is on the North etc. then you can read our position paper here, or read our articles on republicanism, on Brendan Lillis and a recent article about the impisonment of Marian Price.

Cheers!

HOS 1997

Pat D. Almighty wrote: »

I don't agree.

My gripe with the 32CSM, Republican Sinn Féin and Éirigí is that despite making the right social noises, they are treating the people with contempt and disrespecting their vote by refusing to acknowledge the local and national parliament and assemblies.
If they were to contest elections, I'd consider giving an éirigí candidate a 1st preference vote.

Do eirigi not contest local elections? They have a councilor in Dublin I believe.

HOS 1997

RMD wrote: »

There's no hard evidence of it being the political wing of the RIRA but it's known by most it is. They release many statements from dissident Republicans so it essentially is without admitting to it. As pointed out, the Americans think they're so well linked to the RIRA that they're a prescribed terrorist organization.

The 32CSM are to the Reals what Sinn Fein were to the Provos.

The 32CSM grouping and the Real IRA faction both left the Provisional Movement in 1997 over the same issue.

LordSutch

Byron85 wrote: »

Does anybody know what the history of the organisation is? I've read in a few places that they're essentially the political wing of the RIRA. Is that an accurate statement to make? I ask because I know a few people in the WSM here in Cork and they have some 32CSM posters up in the local WSM bookshop promoting their ongoing campaign against strip-searches in Magahberry Prison.

Whoever they are, they should be exposed, disarmed, and consigned to the history books where they belong with the PIRA, INLA, UVF, etc etc.

Pat D. Almighty

HOS 1997 wrote: »

Do eirigi not contest local elections? They have a councilor in Dublin I believe.

She was elected as a Sinn Féin Cllr. She left Sinn Féin very shortly after being elected. She lists herself as an Ind. on the Dublin City Council website.

Byron85

Just to bump this a little, but it seems that the Prisoner Solidarity Group is nothing more than a blanket term, or front if you prefer, for the political wings of terrorist organisations. I suggest that the WSM would be better off not sharing platforms with such groups.

southsiderosie

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This thread went totally off the rails some time ago.

I'm getting sick of the same people derailing threads.

If you are considering posting in this thread, and your post doesn't have anything to do with the 32 County Sovereignty Movement, then don't.

Off-topic posts deleted.

Fenian Army

You don't have to be a supporter of dissident republicans to want to see the implementation of the August agreement in Maghaberry, end of strip searches etc

Byron85

Fenian Army wrote: »

You don't have to be a supporter of dissident republicans to want to see the implementation of the August agreement in Maghaberry, end of strip searches etc

True, but by associating with dissident republicans you're not doing yourself any favours. Instead of having a separate campaign, the WSM and others associate with the Prisoner Solidarity Group; the ilk shown above.

Fenian Army

Byron85 wrote: »

True, but by associating with dissident republicans you're not doing yourself any favours. Instead of having a separate campaign, the WSM and others associate with the Prisoner Solidarity Group; the ilk shown above.

I dont see the problem really if they agree with them on a single issue like this.

round tower huntsman

if you want to know who they are why not just google em and visit their websites and blogs?????????? that would give you a better view of their history and point of view then coming on here tbh.
raymond mc cartney psf, was out mraching for marian on sunday in derry and has been vocal on magahbery,is he a disso??

Dubhlinner

Byron85 wrote: »

True, but by associating with dissident republicans you're not doing yourself any favours. Instead of having a separate campaign, the WSM and others associate with the Prisoner Solidarity Group; the ilk shown above.

Look how small the protest is. All of these groups have rubbish numbers as it is without splitting things further.

As was said a Sinn Fein member was part of the protest too, and they loathe the 32csm. Pat Ramsay from the SDLP has been the most vocal mainstream politician about Marian Price; si its clearly a human rights issue, not support for militants

Foghladh

Rebelheart wrote: »

Your people in Down and Antrim should mind their own business: 30 out of 32 counties in Ireland favour Irish freedom. Your people in Down and Antrim are a minority in this country, holding the rest of Ireland to ransom by their alliance with their colonial motherland.

I'd love to see how you determined that statistic

Hannibal

Foghladh wrote: »

I'd love to see how you determined that statistic

He arrived at that statistic because 4 out of 6 counties in the north have catholic/nationalist majorities, but he's also under the assumption they all support Irish freedom.

Byron85

If you see nothing wrong with sharing a platform with the political wings of terrorists organisations that are still active, then we're going to have a serious problem. Anyway, I got the information I needed so mods, feel free to lock the thread before it gets any more off topic.

Fenian Army

Surely its best to encourage their political wings no? Sidelining them etc only makes them think that violence is the only way.